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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 16 2013 17:11 GMT
#3601
I remember when adc's used to buy wriggles. They still didn't place wards...
liftlift > tsm
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
November 16 2013 17:12 GMT
#3602
On November 17 2013 02:11 wei2coolman wrote:
I remember when adc's used to buy wriggles. They still didn't place wards...

Soon Henry... soon they will.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 17:18:27
November 16 2013 17:12 GMT
#3603
On November 17 2013 01:28 M2 wrote:
Riot pls, limiting the number of wards (to 3) that a champ can place on a map will not make no-supporters buying wards, it will just tie the good supporters hands to cover for them,,,,
,,,the throws are coming...

While their external justification is "get everyone to ward!", the real reason for the ward change is to reduce vision in general -- there was way too much of it at top levels.

And Riot's design philosophy is entirely against "trollable" mechanics so a team-wide limit on wards doesn't work, so they have to do per-player.


By the way, not sure if this has been discussed yet, but did anyone notice in the s4 preseason preview video how they changed a bunch of bushes? The top/bot lane bushes are 3 segments instead of 2, the "banana bush" is much shorter (and much less banana", and the bush next to blue doesn't wrap around the corner anymore. Wonder what effects those will have...

... + also it seems the super minion spawns in front of the wave instead of behind it now. huh.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 16 2013 17:20 GMT
#3604
They didn't acknowledge wanting to reduce vision either, even when it was pointed out to them ("You can't force other people to buy wards, so you just make people who want to play the vision game be at their teammates' mercy, worsening "their experience" you so often talk about, and generally reducing vision—but you never said that was intended, is it another goal of the changes?").

I'd be fine with the changes, personally, if Riot straight-up admitted in their opening posts summing up the changes that they, indeed, intended to reduce vision. But they never said it, and they ignored all the posts asking for clarifications. That's a pretty big gripe of mine against their communication.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 16 2013 17:25 GMT
#3605
I don't really care about their communication. I spend approximately a zillionth as much time communicating with them as I do playing, and I hardly have time to play anymore. I can't imagine being so invested that their wording seriously concerns me.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23347 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 17:28:09
November 16 2013 17:27 GMT
#3606
they dont intend necessarily to reduce vision, just having supports as only buy ward bots is just lame as fuck

there is a vocal minority here imo that likes buying shittons of wards but most people dont want to
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 16 2013 17:29 GMT
#3607
Pretty sure reducing the amount of vision was on of their goals whether or not they stated it.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 17:35:12
November 16 2013 17:34 GMT
#3608
questions: so ranked queues are up again but season 3 is over and it's not preseason yet.

Does my MMR still get affected by playing ranked? And what do you call this "period" in between seasons 3 and preseason 4?

and what happens to my LP
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 16 2013 17:37 GMT
#3609
On November 17 2013 02:34 Live2Win wrote:
questions: so ranked queues are up again but season 3 is over and it's not preseason yet.

Does my MMR still get affected by playing ranked? And what do you call this "period" in between seasons 3 and preseason 4?

and what happens to my LP

We're currently in preseason, despite Ranked position and LP not meaning anything. Regardless, MMR is still being calculated per game, so technically it does matter if you win/lose ranked games.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 16 2013 17:45 GMT
#3610
On November 17 2013 02:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 02:34 Live2Win wrote:
questions: so ranked queues are up again but season 3 is over and it's not preseason yet.

Does my MMR still get affected by playing ranked? And what do you call this "period" in between seasons 3 and preseason 4?

and what happens to my LP

We're currently in preseason, despite Ranked position and LP not meaning anything. Regardless, MMR is still being calculated per game, so technically it does matter if you win/lose ranked games.

Has our ELO already been soft resetted? or is that when season 4 starts?
liftlift > tsm
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
November 16 2013 17:46 GMT
#3611
iirc a soft reset has already occurred.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 16 2013 18:04 GMT
#3612
Shouldn't that be at the start of season 4, before you get your placement matches? Because I only did -19 +16 in my last 2 games, which is way too high considering I'm in Plat V and as such should have an Elo drop after the reset.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 16 2013 18:07 GMT
#3613
They haven't reset yet
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
November 16 2013 18:17 GMT
#3614
Oh, since when is Cyanide featured on TL? I've never seen an actual LoL pro gamer featured on here, only KawaiiRice with 20 viewers once every month
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 18:33:30
November 16 2013 18:18 GMT
#3615
edit: nvrmnd
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#3616
On November 17 2013 02:12 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 01:28 M2 wrote:
Riot pls, limiting the number of wards (to 3) that a champ can place on a map will not make no-supporters buying wards, it will just tie the good supporters hands to cover for them,,,,
,,,the throws are coming...

While their external justification is "get everyone to ward!", the real reason for the ward change is to reduce vision in general -- there was way too much of it at top levels.

And Riot's design philosophy is entirely against "trollable" mechanics so a team-wide limit on wards doesn't work, so they have to do per-player.


By the way, not sure if this has been discussed yet, but did anyone notice in the s4 preseason preview video how they changed a bunch of bushes? The top/bot lane bushes are 3 segments instead of 2, the "banana bush" is much shorter (and much less banana", and the bush next to blue doesn't wrap around the corner anymore. Wonder what effects those will have...

... + also it seems the super minion spawns in front of the wave instead of behind it now. huh.


Note that only top lane is 3 brush and bottom is still 2. Unless they changed it from what's on PBE. I think this is to make top harder to gank while keeping botlane the same (since it's much easier to gank top on live ).
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
November 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#3617
On November 17 2013 03:17 UmberBane wrote:
Oh, since when is Cyanide featured on TL? I've never seen an actual LoL pro gamer featured on here, only KawaiiRice with 20 viewers once every month

I think all of Fnatic are set up, I think I saw xpeke last night.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
November 16 2013 18:34 GMT
#3618
On November 17 2013 03:30 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:17 UmberBane wrote:
Oh, since when is Cyanide featured on TL? I've never seen an actual LoL pro gamer featured on here, only KawaiiRice with 20 viewers once every month

I think all of Fnatic are set up, I think I saw xpeke last night.


That's really cool, must be quite new then?
LaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1321 Posts
November 16 2013 18:47 GMT
#3619
On November 17 2013 02:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 02:34 Live2Win wrote:
questions: so ranked queues are up again but season 3 is over and it's not preseason yet.

Does my MMR still get affected by playing ranked? And what do you call this "period" in between seasons 3 and preseason 4?

and what happens to my LP

We're currently in preseason, despite Ranked position and LP not meaning anything. Regardless, MMR is still being calculated per game, so technically it does matter if you win/lose ranked games.


Ranked position and LP still mean what they always have (nothing or something depending on how you think). Just your border isn't going to change if you change Tiers.

Difference between preseason and Season is pretty overhyped. My MMR still changes, my LP still changes. Seems like the same shit to me lol. I guess I'm a salty Diamond player with no chance at Challenger so changing Tiers wasn't really an option, but it's pretty much da same as the old season.
Anything is Possible
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
November 16 2013 19:36 GMT
#3620
On November 17 2013 03:30 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:17 UmberBane wrote:
Oh, since when is Cyanide featured on TL? I've never seen an actual LoL pro gamer featured on here, only KawaiiRice with 20 viewers once every month

I think all of Fnatic are set up, I think I saw xpeke last night.

It has begun.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
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