• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:36
CEST 14:36
KST 21:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors13[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists19[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers20Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors FlaSh: This Will Be My Final ASL【ASL S21 Ro.16】 Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group D Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Total Annihilation Server - TAForever
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread 3D technology/software discussion European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2062 users

[Patch 3.13] Heimer Rework General Discussion - Page 181

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 179 180 181 182 183 210 Next
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 16 2013 17:11 GMT
#3601
I remember when adc's used to buy wriggles. They still didn't place wards...
liftlift > tsm
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
November 16 2013 17:12 GMT
#3602
On November 17 2013 02:11 wei2coolman wrote:
I remember when adc's used to buy wriggles. They still didn't place wards...

Soon Henry... soon they will.
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 17:18:27
November 16 2013 17:12 GMT
#3603
On November 17 2013 01:28 M2 wrote:
Riot pls, limiting the number of wards (to 3) that a champ can place on a map will not make no-supporters buying wards, it will just tie the good supporters hands to cover for them,,,,
,,,the throws are coming...

While their external justification is "get everyone to ward!", the real reason for the ward change is to reduce vision in general -- there was way too much of it at top levels.

And Riot's design philosophy is entirely against "trollable" mechanics so a team-wide limit on wards doesn't work, so they have to do per-player.


By the way, not sure if this has been discussed yet, but did anyone notice in the s4 preseason preview video how they changed a bunch of bushes? The top/bot lane bushes are 3 segments instead of 2, the "banana bush" is much shorter (and much less banana", and the bush next to blue doesn't wrap around the corner anymore. Wonder what effects those will have...

... + also it seems the super minion spawns in front of the wave instead of behind it now. huh.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 16 2013 17:20 GMT
#3604
They didn't acknowledge wanting to reduce vision either, even when it was pointed out to them ("You can't force other people to buy wards, so you just make people who want to play the vision game be at their teammates' mercy, worsening "their experience" you so often talk about, and generally reducing vision—but you never said that was intended, is it another goal of the changes?").

I'd be fine with the changes, personally, if Riot straight-up admitted in their opening posts summing up the changes that they, indeed, intended to reduce vision. But they never said it, and they ignored all the posts asking for clarifications. That's a pretty big gripe of mine against their communication.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 16 2013 17:25 GMT
#3605
I don't really care about their communication. I spend approximately a zillionth as much time communicating with them as I do playing, and I hardly have time to play anymore. I can't imagine being so invested that their wording seriously concerns me.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 17:28:09
November 16 2013 17:27 GMT
#3606
they dont intend necessarily to reduce vision, just having supports as only buy ward bots is just lame as fuck

there is a vocal minority here imo that likes buying shittons of wards but most people dont want to
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 16 2013 17:29 GMT
#3607
Pretty sure reducing the amount of vision was on of their goals whether or not they stated it.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 17:35:12
November 16 2013 17:34 GMT
#3608
questions: so ranked queues are up again but season 3 is over and it's not preseason yet.

Does my MMR still get affected by playing ranked? And what do you call this "period" in between seasons 3 and preseason 4?

and what happens to my LP
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 16 2013 17:37 GMT
#3609
On November 17 2013 02:34 Live2Win wrote:
questions: so ranked queues are up again but season 3 is over and it's not preseason yet.

Does my MMR still get affected by playing ranked? And what do you call this "period" in between seasons 3 and preseason 4?

and what happens to my LP

We're currently in preseason, despite Ranked position and LP not meaning anything. Regardless, MMR is still being calculated per game, so technically it does matter if you win/lose ranked games.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 16 2013 17:45 GMT
#3610
On November 17 2013 02:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 02:34 Live2Win wrote:
questions: so ranked queues are up again but season 3 is over and it's not preseason yet.

Does my MMR still get affected by playing ranked? And what do you call this "period" in between seasons 3 and preseason 4?

and what happens to my LP

We're currently in preseason, despite Ranked position and LP not meaning anything. Regardless, MMR is still being calculated per game, so technically it does matter if you win/lose ranked games.

Has our ELO already been soft resetted? or is that when season 4 starts?
liftlift > tsm
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
November 16 2013 17:46 GMT
#3611
iirc a soft reset has already occurred.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 16 2013 18:04 GMT
#3612
Shouldn't that be at the start of season 4, before you get your placement matches? Because I only did -19 +16 in my last 2 games, which is way too high considering I'm in Plat V and as such should have an Elo drop after the reset.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 16 2013 18:07 GMT
#3613
They haven't reset yet
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
November 16 2013 18:17 GMT
#3614
Oh, since when is Cyanide featured on TL? I've never seen an actual LoL pro gamer featured on here, only KawaiiRice with 20 viewers once every month
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 18:33:30
November 16 2013 18:18 GMT
#3615
edit: nvrmnd
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 16 2013 18:28 GMT
#3616
On November 17 2013 02:12 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 01:28 M2 wrote:
Riot pls, limiting the number of wards (to 3) that a champ can place on a map will not make no-supporters buying wards, it will just tie the good supporters hands to cover for them,,,,
,,,the throws are coming...

While their external justification is "get everyone to ward!", the real reason for the ward change is to reduce vision in general -- there was way too much of it at top levels.

And Riot's design philosophy is entirely against "trollable" mechanics so a team-wide limit on wards doesn't work, so they have to do per-player.


By the way, not sure if this has been discussed yet, but did anyone notice in the s4 preseason preview video how they changed a bunch of bushes? The top/bot lane bushes are 3 segments instead of 2, the "banana bush" is much shorter (and much less banana", and the bush next to blue doesn't wrap around the corner anymore. Wonder what effects those will have...

... + also it seems the super minion spawns in front of the wave instead of behind it now. huh.


Note that only top lane is 3 brush and bottom is still 2. Unless they changed it from what's on PBE. I think this is to make top harder to gank while keeping botlane the same (since it's much easier to gank top on live ).
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
November 16 2013 18:30 GMT
#3617
On November 17 2013 03:17 UmberBane wrote:
Oh, since when is Cyanide featured on TL? I've never seen an actual LoL pro gamer featured on here, only KawaiiRice with 20 viewers once every month

I think all of Fnatic are set up, I think I saw xpeke last night.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
November 16 2013 18:34 GMT
#3618
On November 17 2013 03:30 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:17 UmberBane wrote:
Oh, since when is Cyanide featured on TL? I've never seen an actual LoL pro gamer featured on here, only KawaiiRice with 20 viewers once every month

I think all of Fnatic are set up, I think I saw xpeke last night.


That's really cool, must be quite new then?
LaM
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States1321 Posts
November 16 2013 18:47 GMT
#3619
On November 17 2013 02:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 02:34 Live2Win wrote:
questions: so ranked queues are up again but season 3 is over and it's not preseason yet.

Does my MMR still get affected by playing ranked? And what do you call this "period" in between seasons 3 and preseason 4?

and what happens to my LP

We're currently in preseason, despite Ranked position and LP not meaning anything. Regardless, MMR is still being calculated per game, so technically it does matter if you win/lose ranked games.


Ranked position and LP still mean what they always have (nothing or something depending on how you think). Just your border isn't going to change if you change Tiers.

Difference between preseason and Season is pretty overhyped. My MMR still changes, my LP still changes. Seems like the same shit to me lol. I guess I'm a salty Diamond player with no chance at Challenger so changing Tiers wasn't really an option, but it's pretty much da same as the old season.
Anything is Possible
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
November 16 2013 19:36 GMT
#3620
On November 17 2013 03:30 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 03:17 UmberBane wrote:
Oh, since when is Cyanide featured on TL? I've never seen an actual LoL pro gamer featured on here, only KawaiiRice with 20 viewers once every month

I think all of Fnatic are set up, I think I saw xpeke last night.

It has begun.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Prev 1 179 180 181 182 183 210 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
11:00
#84
IntoTheiNu 977
WardiTV783
OGKoka 407
Rex124
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 407
SortOf 200
Lowko154
Rex 113
Ryung 31
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 10751
Sea 2771
Jaedong 1813
Soma 1169
EffOrt 855
Mini 723
BeSt 498
Hyuk 416
Stork 389
actioN 381
[ Show more ]
ZerO 336
Light 257
ggaemo 239
Snow 194
Hyun 149
Pusan 95
Rush 95
Killer 93
ToSsGirL 80
PianO 79
Aegong 70
Nal_rA 62
Sea.KH 52
[sc1f]eonzerg 41
Free 39
ajuk12(nOOB) 29
soO 27
Barracks 26
Shinee 24
JYJ 20
scan(afreeca) 18
HiyA 18
GoRush 16
Bale 16
Shine 15
Sacsri 15
yabsab 13
Icarus 6
Terrorterran 5
Counter-Strike
olofmeister3050
zeus738
x6flipin528
byalli500
allub432
markeloff189
edward110
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King67
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor215
Other Games
singsing2310
B2W.Neo1241
XaKoH 320
XBOCT314
hiko264
crisheroes186
Pyrionflax183
Hui .143
Fuzer 33
ZerO(Twitch)8
Liquid`VortiX4
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream435
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
3h 24m
Replay Cast
11h 24m
Replay Cast
20h 24m
Afreeca Starleague
21h 24m
Leta vs YSC
GSL
1d 20h
Rogue vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
Replay Cast
2 days
GSL
2 days
Cure vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Bunny
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Escore
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
IPSL
5 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
BSL
6 days
IPSL
6 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Jaedong vs Light
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W4
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.