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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 06 2013 23:26 GMT
#2021
when is infernal nasus going to come out i need that skin to represent how mad i am playing this game
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
November 06 2013 23:30 GMT
#2022
On November 07 2013 07:23 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Tiamat procs a stack? That's brutal.

Speaking of which, do people jungle Darius often? I do it sometimes in normals and it's seriously one of the most fun junglers I've ever played.

Jungle Darius is fun Darius. Nothing is more fun than literally walking to lane to whack people with your axe. People expect you to instantly apprehend them as soon as you get to lane. Nope. Not me. I just walk up to them, which sometimes confuses them, and then apprehend them once they've realized it's too late for them.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 23:35:28
November 06 2013 23:34 GMT
#2023
This Jax rape on PBE wtf. x_o
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-06 23:47:32
November 06 2013 23:40 GMT
#2024
On November 07 2013 08:34 Alaric wrote:
This Jax rape on PBE wtf. x_o


For those who can't read it:

+ Show Spoiler [PBE patch notes] +


Champion Changes

Jax

Base Health is now 550 (down from 561)
Base Health gained per level is now 87 (down from 98)
Empower [ W ] - Additional damage is now 60/80/100/120/140 (changed from 40/75/110/145/180)
Empower [ W ] - Now costs 20/25/30/35/40 Mana (changed from 30)

Lucian

Piercing Light [ Q ] - Now damages enemies in a line for 60/75/90/105/120 % of bonus Attack Damage
Piercing Light [ Q ] - No longer displayed in the tooltip: 'Current bonus Attack Damage ratio: %'
The Culling [ R ] - Each shot now deals 40/50/60 damage (down from 50/55/60)
The Culling [ R ] - Total scaling over 0.25 shots is now 0.1 physical damage (changed from 0.1*AD)
The Culling [ R ] - Cooldown is now 100/75/50 Seconds (Down from 110/85/60)

Sona

Crescendo [ R ] - Scaling is now 0.5*AP (up from 0.4*AP)

Item Changes

Warding Totem

Base MP is now 60 (down from 90)

Brace of the Mountain

UNIQUE Active - Added to the tooltip: '60 second cooldown'

Kage's Lucky Pick

Now costs 765 (down from 850)
Mana Regen is now per 5 seconds (down from 10)

Kage's Pick

Mana Regen is now per 5 seconds (down from 10)

Lord Van Damm's Pillager

Now costs 2882 (Down from 2962)

Philosopher's Stone

Now costs 700 (Down from 850)

Shard of True Ice

Now costs 1915 (Down from 2000)

Shurelya's Reverie

Now costs 1850 (Down from 2000)

Soul Shroud

Now costs 2110 (Down from 13 990)

Spirit of the Ancient Golem

Passive's gold bonus is now 40 (up from 30)

Spirit of the Elder Lizard

Passive's gold bonus is now 40 (up from 30)

Spirit of the Spectral Wraith

Passive's gold bonus is now 40 (up from 30)

The Black Cleaver

Now costs 2920 (Down from 3000)

The Brutalizer

Now costs 1257 (Down from 1337)

Youmuu's Ghostblade

Now costs 2620 (down from 2700)




So Jax just lost ~200 or 300 HP and Empower (his W) is nerfed a bit at max rank.
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
November 06 2013 23:45 GMT
#2025
I don't really see a problem with a 200hp nerf on endgame jax. Seems totally understandable.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 06 2013 23:46 GMT
#2026
Empower also becomes slightly stronger at levels 1 and 2 (so for most of laning if you plan on maxing Q first) and loses up to 40 (~23%) base damage at max level. The cost is also lowered early but higher later (20-40).

Yeah, I exaggerated, I dunno if people max Q or W first (I max Q), but even maxing W it's not that big since Empower includes an auto attack so the damage reduction is less than 23%.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 06 2013 23:47 GMT
#2027
The Jax change doesn't make sense because Renekton and Shen are what dictate what happens in top. So until they get changed its impossible to know what is up with Jax.
Freeeeeeedom
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
November 06 2013 23:48 GMT
#2028
Jax's base stats are pretty ridiculous. Seems like a reasonable nerf to me.
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BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
November 06 2013 23:50 GMT
#2029
The big change here is that Lord Van Damm's Pillager is returning.
next week on Everybody Loves HypnoToad:
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
November 06 2013 23:54 GMT
#2030
Its around a 10% nerf to his base HP and 15% nerf to base dmg with W on. Buying a triforce makes those decreases even less.

Still, I'm wary of dismissing changes as small just because they are fairly small, since this game has shown to be pretty unstable.
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UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
November 06 2013 23:54 GMT
#2031
Got underworld TF, trying out him as ADC TF bot in normal lol!
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 06 2013 23:55 GMT
#2032
cuz jax is whats wrong with top lane rofl
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 06 2013 23:56 GMT
#2033
10% is actually pretty darn big. Imagine if you need to deal 10% less damage to kill him, or if you deal 10% more damage. Small %, but you won't ever see high numbers on these topics so it's still really impactful.

Another item that "may" be returning is Soul Shroud, or maybe its price has only changed because of a price change on one of its components?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
November 07 2013 00:01 GMT
#2034
I will say that if they nerf jax without nerfing renekton I will be quite put off. Renekton is pretty high on my hate list right now. He isn't ridiculously OP or anything, he is just strong in almost all team comps, popular, and mind numbingly boring to lane against. Horrid combination right there.
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Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
November 07 2013 00:02 GMT
#2035
On November 07 2013 08:50 BlasiuS wrote:
The big change here is that Lord Van Damm's Pillager is returning.


Oh god. Darius ult with spellvamp. Kha-zix isolated Q with spellvamp.

The horror.
TrAce/Cpt Jack for president (or both)
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-07 00:07:49
November 07 2013 00:07 GMT
#2036
In my opinion, that 10% HP nerf, combined with the lowering of his W damage, might have just knocked him out of the holy trinity in top of Jax vs. Renekton vs. Shen. You can no longer build a single defensive item on him (usually Sunfire or Randuin's) and hit 3k HP with Randuin + Triforce + Dshield + Botrk (which from what I can see is like 95% of pro-level Jax players build). Shen and Rene still hit 3k with that same gold investment of 8-12k and can still be relevant in teamfights or split push team comps.

On November 07 2013 09:02 Anakko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 08:50 BlasiuS wrote:
The big change here is that Lord Van Damm's Pillager is returning.


Oh god. Darius ult with spellvamp. Kha-zix isolated Q with spellvamp.

The horror.


Riven.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-07 00:13:32
November 07 2013 00:07 GMT
#2037
Found a use for the double-post, yay!

If these changes to pre-season 4 go through with Van Damm's weapon, Riven will instantly shoot up to 100% pick/ban. Van Damm + Hydra + Black Cleaver (or Youmei) in CDR boots. Tons (and puns) of damage, high mobility, basically every attack is a lifesteal for her and ArPen, she gets a single tanky item (or GA) and she can just dive into the backline and W-Hydra-E-R everyone.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-07 00:09:03
November 07 2013 00:07 GMT
#2038
On November 07 2013 09:02 Anakko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 08:50 BlasiuS wrote:
The big change here is that Lord Van Damm's Pillager is returning.


Oh god. Darius ult with spellvamp. Kha-zix isolated Q with spellvamp.

The horror.

The only thing Darius is really scary having Spellvamp for is his ult, since his Q is AoE it only gets 33% of the healing.

Kha slash and Panth spear are scurry.

On November 07 2013 09:07 Kinie wrote:
In my opinion, that 10% HP nerf, combined with the lowering of his W damage, might have just knocked him out of the holy trinity in top of Jax vs. Renekton vs. Shen. You can no longer build a single defensive item on him (usually Sunfire or Randuin's) and hit 3k HP with Randuin + Triforce + Dshield + Botrk (which from what I can see is like 95% of pro-level Jax players build). Shen and Rene still hit 3k with that same gold investment of 8-12k and can still be relevant in teamfights or split push team comps.

Show nested quote +
On November 07 2013 09:02 Anakko wrote:
On November 07 2013 08:50 BlasiuS wrote:
The big change here is that Lord Van Damm's Pillager is returning.


Oh god. Darius ult with spellvamp. Kha-zix isolated Q with spellvamp.

The horror.


Riven.

Also all AoE.
It's your boy Guzma!
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-07 00:23:19
November 07 2013 00:11 GMT
#2039
That's a common misconception, DoTs get full spellvamp. They get reduced Rylai's slow.

edit: ok so I'm 99% sure you mentioned his passive being a DoT and not getting full vamp, I guess you ninja'd me

I'm pretty sure Riot isn't stupid enough to put Van Damm's Pillager into Summoner's Rift, it will almost certainly remain a Treeline item.
I am the Town Medic.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 07 2013 00:15 GMT
#2040
On November 07 2013 09:11 Alzadar wrote:
That's a common misconception, DoTs get full spellvamp. They get reduced Rylai's slow.

edit: ok so I'm 99% sure you mentioned his passive being a DoT and not getting full vamp, I guess you ninja'd me

Yeah, I quick looked it up and edited it.

I mean, Spellvamp is still not bad considering Riven has so much AD and multiple spells (5 altogether on a full combo, short CDs), but Lifesteal is so good on her anyway that I don't think it'll be a big deal.

Darius, I feel, wouldn't even get the item over tankier stuff so he can survive close enough to do the damage.
It's your boy Guzma!
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