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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 12 2013 20:52 GMT
#181
There's a blanket ban on Jinx in the NA TL IHs.
For obvious reasons.
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Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 20:59:09
October 12 2013 20:56 GMT
#182
Oh, this IS the EUW thread

I don't find the reasons obvious o.o
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
koziol
Profile Joined October 2008
Poland768 Posts
October 12 2013 21:06 GMT
#183
quite strong and imba in some ppls opinion.
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
October 12 2013 21:09 GMT
#184
Sorry for that last game, the LoL screen was just completely black. We should have restarted. Oh well.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 21:22:06
October 12 2013 21:10 GMT
#185
On October 13 2013 05:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
There's a blanket ban on Jinx in the NA TL IHs.
For obvious reasons.


Yeah, I'm starting to see why, I hadn't really played her before this so i wasn't aware of quite how strong she was, just wanted to practice and got slightly carried away, not sure why they never banned her though.
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 21:22:20
October 12 2013 21:11 GMT
#186
On October 13 2013 06:09 Fildun wrote:
Sorry for that last game, the LoL screen was just completely black. We should have restarted. Oh well.


We were about to, but then they said you rejoined, and noone responded when i asked if we should still rehost, so we sort of just carried on .
Prog hard carry.


Just realised i have a project due at 11:59 and it's currently 11:13, there should be enough people left to have a few more games though if anyone wants to join. Not sure who's hosting.

NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 12 2013 21:22 GMT
#187
On October 13 2013 05:56 Scip wrote:
Oh, this IS the EUW thread

I don't find the reasons obvious o.o

New champion, most people don't know how to play with or against her, etc.
Your call as a collective whether or not to keep Jinx in play. But if the purpose of the EU IH is the same as NA's (getting players better), idk why you'd add such a huge variable as Jinx into the mix.
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koziol
Profile Joined October 2008
Poland768 Posts
October 12 2013 21:48 GMT
#188
thanks for the games, gg
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
October 12 2013 21:54 GMT
#189
On October 13 2013 06:22 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 05:56 Scip wrote:
Oh, this IS the EUW thread

I don't find the reasons obvious o.o

New champion, most people don't know how to play with or against her, etc.
Your call as a collective whether or not to keep Jinx in play. But if the purpose of the EU IH is the same as NA's (getting players better), idk why you'd add such a huge variable as Jinx into the mix.

Because learning how to play with/against the champion may make you better ?
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
October 12 2013 21:57 GMT
#190
On October 13 2013 06:54 Lylat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 06:22 NeoIllusions wrote:
On October 13 2013 05:56 Scip wrote:
Oh, this IS the EUW thread

I don't find the reasons obvious o.o

New champion, most people don't know how to play with or against her, etc.
Your call as a collective whether or not to keep Jinx in play. But if the purpose of the EU IH is the same as NA's (getting players better), idk why you'd add such a huge variable as Jinx into the mix.

Because learning how to play with/against the champion may make you better ?


When said champion will be perma banned in Ranked soon enough, and nerfed before it is let through, it doesn't really help, its better just to practice with/against the nerfed version.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 22:00:23
October 12 2013 21:59 GMT
#191
Yeah we weren't too sure how to play against her when I was supporting (Corki Lulu vs Zyra Jinx), especially at which levels she's strong or not.

Dandel Ion's Zyra pretty good, he carried our lane by himself in that last game.

Ashe + Zyra (Dandel Ion) vs Cait + Annie (Prog + koziol):
I'm legit low Silver when playing AD and I defaulted to Ashe because picking Graves when they first picked Cait woulda been dumb.
I'd like to get some feedback because I think that apart from missing way too many cs, I just played too passively, especially once we (he) got both Annie and Cait low and almost under their tower (then under), I didn't dare to initiate a dive. I also missed my arrow when I luckily hit 6 during a winning trade so instead of killing Cait we killed Annie, but since she was low too she had to back. I almost killed myself on that one, my clicking mechanics are definitely bad.

Prog ate some free harass when I timed my passive one tick from 100, then waited 3s and walked up to him to auto+volley knowing the crit would make me win the exchange. I don't know if it's gimmicky or not though since I barely play AD, I just figured since I kept track of his headshot stacks I'd do the same with my passive.


I was also responsible for the fight that lead to our surrender, when coming mid I tried to get a quick volley in from the side, and despite my slow Teut's Udyr ended up reaching me, and a fight started which we lost 4 for 1. Had I flashed (or simply not walked through there like a moron) that wouldn't have happened. My positioning was pretty bad when roaming the map in both the Lulu and the Ashe game, and I got caught out very often, especially the Lulu game where I gave out a bunch of objectives.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 22:03:17
October 12 2013 22:02 GMT
#192
i actually was running away, i sniped lee and then ran away fom the 1v4, i think the rest of the duds and gp ult did most. I did turn around once to hit R on zyra+you with the splash while avoiding zyra root I think
superboots+masteries also readuces slows by a LOT

fat cats lb rapped that game tho
you should probably watch the replay i was responsible for more frustration than damage there
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 12 2013 22:07 GMT
#193
Yeah I was more talking about this particular fight than the game, because after the Lulu one I just had a huge sign blinking in my head saying "U DUN GOOFED SON" or something after I realised once you'd activate Bear a second time I'd get caught and bait the team in a fight.
Bot was pretty much the island this game, there was a Karthus ult that helped with the "dropping their duo low" and the Lee Sin clean-up when we finally dove (and I fucked up) and you read me with your flash and got a double, but apart from that top lane got more attention.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 12 2013 22:14 GMT
#194
too many wards around bot
couldn't sneak in
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 12 2013 22:21 GMT
#195
On October 13 2013 06:59 Alaric wrote:
Yeah we weren't too sure how to play against her when I was supporting (Corki Lulu vs Zyra Jinx), especially at which levels she's strong or not.

Dandel Ion's Zyra pretty good, he carried our lane by himself in that last game.

Ashe + Zyra (Dandel Ion) vs Cait + Annie (Prog + koziol):
I'm legit low Silver when playing AD and I defaulted to Ashe because picking Graves when they first picked Cait woulda been dumb.
I'd like to get some feedback because I think that apart from missing way too many cs, I just played too passively, especially once we (he) got both Annie and Cait low and almost under their tower (then under), I didn't dare to initiate a dive. I also missed my arrow when I luckily hit 6 during a winning trade so instead of killing Cait we killed Annie, but since she was low too she had to back. I almost killed myself on that one, my clicking mechanics are definitely bad.

Prog ate some free harass when I timed my passive one tick from 100, then waited 3s and walked up to him to auto+volley knowing the crit would make me win the exchange. I don't know if it's gimmicky or not though since I barely play AD, I just figured since I kept track of his headshot stacks I'd do the same with my passive.


I was also responsible for the fight that lead to our surrender, when coming mid I tried to get a quick volley in from the side, and despite my slow Teut's Udyr ended up reaching me, and a fight started which we lost 4 for 1. Had I flashed (or simply not walked through there like a moron) that wouldn't have happened. My positioning was pretty bad when roaming the map in both the Lulu and the Ashe game, and I got caught out very often, especially the Lulu game where I gave out a bunch of objectives.

feedback:
hit your ult (this comes with practice)
keeping track of your passive is fine
lasthit better (hue)
we were not on the same page at all during lane (nothing we can really do about this I guess, it's this chemistry shit. would get better by itself if we played more games together)

specific things:
I remember one time where I pushed annie out of the lane while you 1v1d cait in the middle of the lane, cait was slowed and went towards the brush instead of straight to the tower
I was running to intercept and you backed off to farm at the same time. If we'd been on the same page here we would have killed her (or at least got summoners cant remember if they were still up)

The ult when they were doing dragon: not only did you miss (hue), even if you'd hit, it wouldn't have done anything at all. Nobody from our team was in position to follow up, not to mention that even if they were, we would have probably all been killed in the process.


One other thing, to the Annie player: Buy more wards.
I think I had more pink wards than you had wards total early.
If our other lanes weren't in so much trouble, lee could have come to kill you at least 5 times.
And not having the riverbrush warded made me be able to #brushmechanics prog early which was fun for me, but I think not so much for him.
Also as teut hinted at, if you don't clear any of my wards with pinks, he can't gank (unless we do retard dive and overstay like a couple scrubs). I had all river+tri+lanebrush warded at pretty much all relevant times, completely uncontested. You shouldn't let that happen.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
October 12 2013 22:23 GMT
#196
Today i learned two things-
1) I suck at this game.
2) I really really really suck at this game.
Dunk first. Ask questions while dunking.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
October 12 2013 22:24 GMT
#197
On October 13 2013 07:23 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Today i learned two things-
1) I suck at this game.
2) I really really really suck at this game.

Acknowledging that you suck is the first step on the road to learning. I remind myself every day before my matches that I'm trash.
Glorious SEA doto
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 12 2013 22:25 GMT
#198
^tru fax
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 12 2013 22:56 GMT
#199
word
killerdog
Profile Joined February 2010
Denmark6522 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-12 23:18:45
October 12 2013 23:11 GMT
#200
On October 13 2013 06:57 dae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2013 06:54 Lylat wrote:
On October 13 2013 06:22 NeoIllusions wrote:
On October 13 2013 05:56 Scip wrote:
Oh, this IS the EUW thread

I don't find the reasons obvious o.o

New champion, most people don't know how to play with or against her, etc.
Your call as a collective whether or not to keep Jinx in play. But if the purpose of the EU IH is the same as NA's (getting players better), idk why you'd add such a huge variable as Jinx into the mix.

Because learning how to play with/against the champion may make you better ?


When said champion will be perma banned in Ranked soon enough, and nerfed before it is let through, it doesn't really help, its better just to practice with/against the nerfed version.


I don't think there's any harm in taking a few games with/against her. You can't assume that you're never going to hit her in ranked. There are plenty of heroes which are "perma banned" right now but you still see a zed or fizz or kassa get through relatively often, and if you've never really played against it before then you can just screw your whole team over as a result.

tbh I was surprised noone banned her though, was going to ban her in the next game game if I hadn't had to leave, I just wanted to get an idea of how to counter her in lane by playing her against good peopl, but it didn't feel like any of the other adc's i laned against really did that at all. (Although that might have been Prog carrying me harder then i thought possible in lane.)
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