EPT[Patch 3.12] (j/k) Jinx General Discussion - Page 88
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spellsy
United States418 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On October 08 2013 04:10 Fusilero wrote: Does this include the troll games mineski and TSM played though? I believe it was over 50 before then. I think it was Monte that was tracking it? | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 08 2013 04:25 spellsy wrote: hey so guys im making a pick-centric infographic, all about the picks of WC and some about the picks of S3 summer overall (with 601 games). What kinda stats would you guys like to see? I'd like to see the effect of patches on previously dominating champs like muramana jayce, TF or visage zac. Also this may be a bit specific but the rate of multi role champs (Like elise jungle/top or ezreal mid/ADC) | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 08 2013 04:07 Requizen wrote: That's because the counterplay to Flash is Flash. Faker showed us that. I just don't think there's a downside to Flash, given how strong it is. Most have what I would call "incidental" downsides - Ghost is still running and can be countered by slows/CC, Exhaust can be useless if they jump/Flash away during the duration, Barrier has a relatively short duration, etc - but Flash is just bam done. In any situation where you want to use Flash, there's often no reason not to other than the CD, which still doesn't feel long enough to matter despite the numerous nerfs. You could always, you know, Ghost away from a character Ghosting at you. On October 08 2013 04:15 Alaric wrote: Jax can E-flash to stun you. Can't Ghost-E with the same reliability, especially as an initiation. That's what I mentioned with Udyr/Renekton/Shen preferring Flash despite Ghost being better for them on paper: even when you already have a gap closer, the instant nature of Flash synergises way better with everything cc or burst (eg. "kill before they flash/dash/barrier"). Apart from Hecarim (for obvious reasons), most champs using Ghost over Flash don't have cc nor bust (or weak ones): Olaf, Shyvana, Vlad etc. That is why I said "Pretty well", maybe I should have written "situtationally". In any case, my point was essentially that given the amount of lane safety you give up by taking Ghost over Flash, the ability to go over walls lategame, and other general playmaking ability, its fairly hard to justify nerfing the "strong" uses of Ghost. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 08 2013 04:25 spellsy wrote: hey so guys im making a pick-centric infographic, all about the picks of WC and some about the picks of S3 summer overall (with 601 games). What kinda stats would you guys like to see? Maybe a bit niche, but would it be possible to see wins on champs depending on blue/purple side? It likely doesn't matter all that much, but it would be interesting to see if there are any outliers that excel on one side or the other. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 08 2013 04:31 cLutZ wrote: You could always, you know, Ghost away from a character Ghosting at you. Ghost can be soft countered by slows and CC. Flash cannot. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 08 2013 04:34 wei2coolman wrote: I've started using ghost a lot more on a lot of top champions. I think if you ward properly the shorter CD of Ghost is just as good as flash, and better in certain situations. Ghost shen is like king bitch he just split pushes and is a pain in the ass to catch since he can already dash over walls alongside his tankiness. But flash taunt is too good to abandon. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
People are dicks. :< Also EUW still destroyed. | ||
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Lounge
537 Posts
If you want to discount all the 1-off champions I think it's 51 total. Although you could argue many of them were viable picks that just didn't see play. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On October 07 2013 07:59 TheYango wrote: In theory GP's strongest timing should be level 9-11 with rank 2 ult and 5 points in Raise Morale. How do you come to this conclusion? I only ask because even though I can't play or watch, reading TL and the LoL wiki have helped me learn a lot. And seeing as I can't play or watch for another... 14 months (sigh), I'm interested in learning how to better understand a champion's power curves. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On October 08 2013 04:41 JonGalt wrote: How do you come to this conclusion? I only ask because even though I can't play or watch, reading TL and the LoL wiki have helped me learn a lot. And seeing as I can't play or watch for another... 14 months (sigh), I'm interested in learning how to better understand a champion's power curves. Strong damage boost with raise morale and lvl2 ult for a midgame timing I would think | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 08 2013 04:41 JonGalt wrote: How do you come to this conclusion? I only ask because even though I can't play or watch, reading TL and the LoL wiki have helped me learn a lot. And seeing as I can't play or watch for another... 14 months (sigh), I'm interested in learning how to better understand a champion's power curves. Not yango but raise morale gives him lots of stats and the active is a very strong steroid (Even if it is a massive "I'M GOING TO ALL IN YOU" choreograph) so by 5 points he should be able to overpower most tops 1v1 due to how much it gives to him in terms of raw numbers. I actually think gp's strongest timing is level 1 like Q into a few swipes can just win you the lane then and there as the passive hurts so hard and is hard to get away from. This is ofc assuming that it is the timing you aim for with lane bully GP instead of the trade heavy W max with wits end Korean build or the ricing bankplank. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 08 2013 04:35 Fusilero wrote: Ghost shen is like king bitch he just split pushes and is a pain in the ass to catch since he can already dash over walls alongside his tankiness. But flash taunt is too good to abandon. I really like Flash + Ghost, it's pretty damn beast. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 08 2013 04:50 wei2coolman wrote: I really like Flash + Ghost, it's pretty damn beast. I don't like no ignite shen, I feel like I don't have enough kill pressure without ignite I can get them low but without ignite I feel like I can never finish the job unless they screw up. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 08 2013 04:45 Nos- wrote: Strong damage boost with raise morale and lvl2 ult for a midgame timing I would think everyone knows GPs strongest timing is dat level 1 crit rune. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On October 08 2013 04:33 Requizen wrote: Ghost can be soft countered by slows and CC. Flash cannot. That is not a reason to keep Ghost champs artificially weak though. | ||
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Vegetarian Wolf
China434 Posts
On October 08 2013 04:52 Fusilero wrote: I don't like no ignite shen, I feel like I don't have enough kill pressure without ignite I can get them low but without ignite I feel like I can never finish the job unless they screw up. Well, unless you're much better than them (in which case it won't matter really), Shen is not meant to threaten any kills in lane at all, and late game, the potential kill potential lost out by the lack of ignite is usually far outweighed by the benefits of another summoner. | ||
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