[Patch 3.12] (j/k) Jinx General Discussion - Page 278

On October 22 2013 10:11 Alaric wrote:

People swoon all over Lux but Morg's skill ceiling is low—what?

They're often compared, 'cept Lux has a way lower skill floor, and Morgana's more situational and susceptible to mobility creep in general.
People still won't rush Banshee or QSS or whatever against her, so when they rely on base MR+runes her W is huge. Problem is, whereas others just want/need to hit one spell as they poke, she's got to hit a combo, and her Q, despite very strong numbers (damage, cc duration, range) is still a slow skillshot (not the particle itself, the wind-up).

Mobility made it so it's harder to make people stand in the pool (well, they're better at spreading out in general, remember Morgana got shafted because of excess popularity at the start of season 2), and it's harder to get a good ult. Power creep in general and the way builds have evolved means that RoA first isn't as doable now (it's not that weird frankly, the catalyst passive and all the stats make sense on her, it's just too disconnected from the pace of the game atm) so she's also more susceptible to poke, while stuff like new SV means her midgame WQ combo isn't as universally threatening as it was.


TL;DR: Morgana's like Galio, relegated to strong anti-dive and counter-initiation and it's not popular nor sought-out now, with the pushing and aggressive mindset. Also mobility creep.

On October 22 2013 09:28 Zdrastochye wrote:
There's literally nothing wrong with Morgana. You guys must be smoking crack. She's totally fine damage-wise, and it a great team fighter with her ult forcing movement away from her or just perma-stunned. Has kill potential on nearly any mid laner if Q and R are used effectively.

On October 22 2013 10:11 Alaric wrote:

People swoon all over Lux but Morg's skill ceiling is low—what?

They're often compared, 'cept Lux has a way lower skill floor, and Morgana's more situational and susceptible to mobility creep in general.
People still won't rush Banshee or QSS or whatever against her, so when they rely on base MR+runes her W is huge. Problem is, whereas others just want/need to hit one spell as they poke, she's got to hit a combo, and her Q, despite very strong numbers (damage, cc duration, range) is still a slow skillshot (not the particle itself, the wind-up).

Mobility made it so it's harder to make people stand in the pool (well, they're better at spreading out in general, remember Morgana got shafted because of excess popularity at the start of season 2), and it's harder to get a good ult. Power creep in general and the way builds have evolved means that RoA first isn't as doable now (it's not that weird frankly, the catalyst passive and all the stats make sense on her, it's just too disconnected from the pace of the game atm) so she's also more susceptible to poke, while stuff like new SV means her midgame WQ combo isn't as universally threatening as it was.


TL;DR: Morgana's like Galio, relegated to strong anti-dive and counter-initiation and it's not popular nor sought-out now, with the pushing and aggressive mindset. Also mobility creep.

On October 22 2013 10:12 Haiq343 wrote:
There's also some rhetoric involved here. Think of how often Riot's design people bring up Morg's Q as an example of a spell done right, with counterplay etc that 'feels satisyfing' or w/e their buzzphrase of the month is. It is and has been their go-to for some time. You can't talk up a skill as a great success and then... change it. Just rhetorically it probably wouldn't be worth it for Riot.

Her kit is based on the assumption that her W gives her a significant pushing advantage that she can leverage either via waddling off to some other portion of the map, or by bullying safely behind the spell shield. And her ult really works best as a 'co/2ndary initiation' but she doesn't have the mobility to really keep up with either of those, and she doesn't have the burst or control to be majorly threatening in other ways. Worse still her ult demands she be in the fight, so she needs to build durability much more than other mids but doesn't get commensurate benefit from doing so.

She needs a buff, but the only thing they can fiddle with is her 'w' (e being off limits for buffs following Yango's point), which is her least 'exciting' ability. No one goes YEAH DID YOU SEE THE TIME I DROPPED A PUDDLE UNDER THAT GUY?! I'm not sure what all Riot really could do in this case.

On October 22 2013 12:19 Maxyim wrote:
Hey guys, just got into this, currently loving me some Fiddle jung, TF mid, and Corki AD carry (alternating between these three depending on what my allies are doing). Still playing normal, just wondering how viable these champs / playstyles are in ranked. Thanks for any advice!