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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 21 2013 22:13 GMT
#5501
On October 22 2013 05:26 Ketara wrote:
Unfortunately streaming for your income is not something you choose to do.

People start streaming for funsies, then it turns out they get a lot of viewers, then it becomes a decision. You don't make the decision first.

LethalFrag is a streamer I know who started streaming full time (quit day job) before he had any stable levels of viewership. Some people just have balls.

(Some other full time streamers are also just unemployed).
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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
October 21 2013 22:46 GMT
#5502
On the topic of Tibbers AI, did anyone else never have problems with it prior to them making him controllable with the R button? Alt+click always worked for me, then they changed it and the stupid bear is never where I want him anymore regardless of what buttons I use.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
October 21 2013 22:50 GMT
#5503
back before you could control it with R it did seem to be a lot more responsive. morde ghost is also pretty stupid
BW -> League -> CSGO
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 21 2013 22:52 GMT
#5504
is anyone lagging on NA servers?
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
October 21 2013 22:52 GMT
#5505
Gold 5 promos if anyone wants to play

add: shelkelp
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
October 21 2013 23:20 GMT
#5506
On October 22 2013 00:13 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 00:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 22 2013 00:07 Nos- wrote:
Thinking of picking up more mid heros, I can currently play ori/ahri kind of well, bought gragas yesterday and planning on practicing him for a little while. I guess I should be getting kassadin/syndra next? What are all the popular kids playing these days


The Official TL Mid Lane Selections as brought to you by Soniv are Annie and Lissandra.

However, if you're a true man, you subscribe to the teachings of the great Atrioc and rock the mighty Pantheon and Fizz.


Bitch, I don't play no FotM assassins (cuz I'm bad at them)

Been picking up Ori again recently. Both times I've picked her, I was counterpicked by LB. Max E, spam MR. Lol, too easy


FotM... Panth...

wat.

Literally the last 100 games I've maybe seen one Pantheon (and me).
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 21 2013 23:23 GMT
#5507
NA servers are blowing up on me oh god
Bronze player stuck in platinum
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 21 2013 23:24 GMT
#5508
Why do they keep trying to turn Morg's W into a Ground-Targeted-Damage-Over-Time-Execute? That concept doesnt even make sense...
Freeeeeeedom
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 21 2013 23:33 GMT
#5509
On October 22 2013 08:20 LoCicero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 00:13 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 22 2013 00:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 22 2013 00:07 Nos- wrote:
Thinking of picking up more mid heros, I can currently play ori/ahri kind of well, bought gragas yesterday and planning on practicing him for a little while. I guess I should be getting kassadin/syndra next? What are all the popular kids playing these days


The Official TL Mid Lane Selections as brought to you by Soniv are Annie and Lissandra.

However, if you're a true man, you subscribe to the teachings of the great Atrioc and rock the mighty Pantheon and Fizz.


Bitch, I don't play no FotM assassins (cuz I'm bad at them)

Been picking up Ori again recently. Both times I've picked her, I was counterpicked by LB. Max E, spam MR. Lol, too easy


FotM... Panth...

wat.

Literally the last 100 games I've maybe seen one Pantheon (and me).


Fizz is just so FotM that he counts as 2 champs
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 23:35:22
October 21 2013 23:34 GMT
#5510
Makes sense to me.

It has synergy with all her other abilities, and their explanation of it was spot on. They wanted to change it so snare into puddle would do more damage than puddle into snare.

On October 22 2013 08:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 08:20 LoCicero wrote:
On October 22 2013 00:13 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 22 2013 00:11 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On October 22 2013 00:07 Nos- wrote:
Thinking of picking up more mid heros, I can currently play ori/ahri kind of well, bought gragas yesterday and planning on practicing him for a little while. I guess I should be getting kassadin/syndra next? What are all the popular kids playing these days


The Official TL Mid Lane Selections as brought to you by Soniv are Annie and Lissandra.

However, if you're a true man, you subscribe to the teachings of the great Atrioc and rock the mighty Pantheon and Fizz.


Bitch, I don't play no FotM assassins (cuz I'm bad at them)

Been picking up Ori again recently. Both times I've picked her, I was counterpicked by LB. Max E, spam MR. Lol, too easy


FotM... Panth...

wat.

Literally the last 100 games I've maybe seen one Pantheon (and me).


Zed is just so FotM that he counts as 2 champs


Fixed.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
October 21 2013 23:34 GMT
#5511
On October 22 2013 08:24 cLutZ wrote:
Why do they keep trying to turn Morg's W into a Ground-Targeted-Damage-Over-Time-Execute? That concept doesnt even make sense...

It's creative! Groundbreaking so to speak...
But probably because she needs a buff, despite how much they talk up her Q as good gameplay design she's decisively outclassed and her W is the 'easiest' thing to change. And what better way to add power to a kit than %hp dmg or execute mechanics?
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 23:45:11
October 21 2013 23:38 GMT
#5512
the problem isnt her lack of damage, its her high cooldowns. if morgana was released today her w wouldnt even have half the CD it does currently. compare morgana to other control orientated mages like lissandra and its just hilarious. but you cant reduce the CD on her Q because people would spend >50% of the time snared. so they either need to redesign her E or W because right now she functions more like a support than a mage.
danana
Profile Joined March 2011
United States321 Posts
October 21 2013 23:49 GMT
#5513
Not that I'm opposed to a morgana buff, but I don't like that they want Q -> W to be stronger than W -> Q. I thought it was cool that a morg player had a choice between using W first if they were confident they could land the bind. It seems like they're buffing Morg in a way that eliminates one of the few interesting (although as far as I could tell not very impactful) gameplay decisions morgana has. iirc they did something like this before where they eliminated a decision about how to use skills on someone (Jayce I think) because it was "confusing" which I thought was silly.
LoCicero
Profile Joined August 2010
1100 Posts
October 21 2013 23:50 GMT
#5514
On October 22 2013 08:38 turdburgler wrote:
the problem isnt her lack of damage, its her high cooldowns. if morgana was released today her w wouldnt even have half the CD it does currently. compare morgana to other control orientated mages like lissandra and its just hilarious. but you cant reduce the CD on her Q because people would spend >50% of the time snared. so they either need to redesign her E or W because right now she functions more like a support than a mage.


In my opinion this is correct. It's not her damage, it's her DPS. Her cooldowns are super high considering how difficult it is to use her skills to their full potential with all the mobility in the game. Consider her ult. It's pretty damn hard to get both ticks off on someone, and in teamfights it's damn near impossible. Reducing the CD on her Q would cause her to become way too strong. So her W, E, (and maybe R) need to be buffed to compensate.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-21 23:55:56
October 21 2013 23:54 GMT
#5515
On October 22 2013 08:49 danana wrote:
Not that I'm opposed to a morgana buff, but I don't like that they want Q -> W to be stronger than W -> Q. I thought it was cool that a morg player had a choice between using W first if they were confident they could land the bind. It seems like they're buffing Morg in a way that eliminates one of the few interesting (although as far as I could tell not very impactful) gameplay decisions morgana has. iirc they did something like this before where they eliminated a decision about how to use skills on someone (Jayce I think) because it was "confusing" which I thought was silly.

IDK it still seems like WQ is fine since the duration is still long, getting a free tick at the start will never really be a bad thing - especially if the target isnt full health. This honestly feels like mostly an upgrade to previous pool, since the MR debuff was often irrelevant on champions anyway.

Doesn't really seem like it will "fix" morgana though. She's still got some of the longest cooldowns of any mage.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
October 21 2013 23:56 GMT
#5516
--- Nuked ---
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 21 2013 23:59 GMT
#5517
On October 22 2013 08:49 danana wrote:
Not that I'm opposed to a morgana buff, but I don't like that they want Q -> W to be stronger than W -> Q. I thought it was cool that a morg player had a choice between using W first if they were confident they could land the bind. It seems like they're buffing Morg in a way that eliminates one of the few interesting (although as far as I could tell not very impactful) gameplay decisions morgana has. iirc they did something like this before where they eliminated a decision about how to use skills on someone (Jayce I think) because it was "confusing" which I thought was silly.


i dont see this at all. when i play morgana i always just fire off a q and if it looks like a decent shot i put down w if its in range. theres no w or q first decision making, its always q first because w on its own feels like it has no impact.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 22 2013 00:05 GMT
#5518
On October 22 2013 08:50 LoCicero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2013 08:38 turdburgler wrote:
the problem isnt her lack of damage, its her high cooldowns. if morgana was released today her w wouldnt even have half the CD it does currently. compare morgana to other control orientated mages like lissandra and its just hilarious. but you cant reduce the CD on her Q because people would spend >50% of the time snared. so they either need to redesign her E or W because right now she functions more like a support than a mage.


In my opinion this is correct. It's not her damage, it's her DPS. Her cooldowns are super high considering how difficult it is to use her skills to their full potential with all the mobility in the game. Consider her ult. It's pretty damn hard to get both ticks off on someone, and in teamfights it's damn near impossible. Reducing the CD on her Q would cause her to become way too strong. So her W, E, (and maybe R) need to be buffed to compensate.


Buffing R is too hard because then you get into the dangerous situation where ult+summoner (flash in this case, Ghost for Olaf/Singed) is super strong, but its not that great without the summoner skill. Once that happens Riot is in a situation that they never seem to be able to balance properly.

W, E changes seem easier, just the current one makes no sense.
Freeeeeeedom
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-22 00:11:06
October 22 2013 00:10 GMT
#5519
E is hard to change because when it's overtuned it can create scenarios where enemies feel "helpless" (if you think about it's really just BKB with a damage threshold). So gameplay-wise they're very careful about keeping it at a point where you can't pop it on a bruiser or assassin, and they kill someone before the shield comes off.

So yeah, that leaves us with buffing W, lol.
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turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-22 00:13:10
October 22 2013 00:10 GMT
#5520
just give her a free flash on e, thats what most champs have these days anyway.

On October 22 2013 09:10 TheYango wrote:
E is hard to change because when it's overtuned it can create scenarios where enemies feel "helpless" (if you think about it's really just BKB with a damage threshold). So gameplay-wise they're very careful about keeping it at a point where you can't pop it on a bruiser or assassin, and they kill someone before the shield comes off.

So yeah, that leaves us with buffing W, lol.


but you could just flat out change e, spell shield is super dumb anyway.
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