EPTim glad that SKT T1 managed to win WC
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im glad that SKT T1 managed to win WC | ||
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JonGalt
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D.Capricious!!!??? | ||
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oneofthem
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On October 12 2013 15:29 ketchup wrote: By the way, this unfiltered episode is really great for the LoL World Finals topic. I think Thorin makes some amazing points at times, even if he is a bit long winded. I find the idea of having more for people who are really "hardcore" fans interesting(Official fan clubs by Riot would be pretty interesting for ALL teams, real 5s support that Riot has been promising for years, replays, etc). What Thorin talks about is exactly what sites like TL were built on(and I'm sure a lot of us agree with Thorin at a lot of his points). I would really love to see someone from Riot watch this, and take this seriously. I enjoy all of their views, and they are all very well spoken. Destiny is much better in these types of shows than his streaming, and scoots was much better here than when he used to be on Lo3 when he was a regular there. Near the end, they also discuss casting, which is also pretty interesting. I would sincerely LOVE for Riot to get better observers for next season. I think it's really worth watching. On a secondary note, I miss the youtube popout option. thorin states some very good points about the casual viewer. he didn't manage to engage with the other guys on the show though because they kind of didn't understand him and just addressed oblique points. wiht the whole casual western audience thing, the way riot has always went about building hype is to artificially keep the western confidence afloat by hype and international locking, so they feel that a decent portion of the viewership feel that their team has a chance. however, when that false impression gets crashed, they feel disappointed. i think this is the wrong way to go about building hype. instead of artificially inflating the underdog leading to bigger disappointment, they should take underdog status for granted and hype up the invincible enemy. this was how s2 got so hype. people didn't believe tpa had a chance, but that disbelief didn't prevent them from following the team and turning in. the badness and powerful hype of the korean overlord team also didn't discourage people from watching, rather, it just added to the awe of the moment. if you hype the villain, it's a no lose situation. if the villain wins in dominant fashion, then the hype turns into reality and you get a bunch of new korean fanboys. it's a powerful storyline. worlds is a once a year event, so the NA etc scenes would still survive even if they get beat up one time. if the underdog somehow pulls an upset, then the event is just explosive. the way they are doing it now created no powerful villain, instead, all the NA fanboys are in denial and frame their stance as "anti-hype," as in they really believe SKT is all hype and overrated etc. it's a passive aggressive viewing experience, rather than a braveheart underdog mentality. when the villain wins it's more about how royals suck rather than the dominant villain being dominant, the story just falls flat. pro wrestling is all about hyping the villain and rejoicing in the brutal beatdowns. if LOL is the same peddler of drama they should learn from that. | ||
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Lylat
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RagequitBM
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Unfortunate that the finals was Royal vs SKT for the majority I think. Imagine the crowd for a TSM vs C9 finals haha | ||
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
I have 80+ ranked teemo games. Carried myself to plat with it. firstpick no care. I am not proud. wow, that guy has nearly 400 teemo games. and builds all sorts of random crap. what a beast. | ||
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On October 12 2013 16:49 Lylat wrote: Putting Uzi in the jungle is the most stupid change ever, any explanation ? No idea. When I tuned in the game just started. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On October 12 2013 16:49 Lylat wrote: Putting Uzi in the jungle is the most stupid change ever, any explanation ? Well iirc uzi thinks very highly of LMQ's ADC, they probably benched lucky and uzi went "I'll jungle, bring on LMQ's ADC he's good trust me" It's pretty hilarious that both the best Chinese ADC and Chinese support ever has ended up jungling in the end though :D | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On October 12 2013 15:39 Fusilero wrote: Misaya has been running AP sion for all of summer LPL, worked sometimes, didn't work against royal in the match that determines who go the final seed for the LPL worlds playoffs. New dig top is gonna be yazuki, quas or nickwu can't see anyone else. well quas is amazing but the other two? there are some really good toplaners in soloq who I think are better than those two. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
Actually Thorin made great points all around ... Blech couldn't listen to the others anymore because I'm not even sure they watch the game. Destiny thought the finals was between two Korean teams -.-. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On October 12 2013 16:23 oneofthem wrote: thorin states some very good points about the casual viewer. he didn't manage to engage with the other guys on the show though because they kind of didn't understand him and just addressed oblique points. wiht the whole casual western audience thing, the way riot has always went about building hype is to artificially keep the western confidence afloat by hype and international locking, so they feel that a decent portion of the viewership feel that their team has a chance. however, when that false impression gets crashed, they feel disappointed. i think this is the wrong way to go about building hype. instead of artificially inflating the underdog leading to bigger disappointment, they should take underdog status for granted and hype up the invincible enemy. this was how s2 got so hype. people didn't believe tpa had a chance, but that disbelief didn't prevent them from following the team and turning in. the badness and powerful hype of the korean overlord team also didn't discourage people from watching, rather, it just added to the awe of the moment. if you hype the villain, it's a no lose situation. if the villain wins in dominant fashion, then the hype turns into reality and you get a bunch of new korean fanboys. it's a powerful storyline. worlds is a once a year event, so the NA etc scenes would still survive even if they get beat up one time. if the underdog somehow pulls an upset, then the event is just explosive. the way they are doing it now created no powerful villain, instead, all the NA fanboys are in denial and frame their stance as "anti-hype," as in they really believe SKT is all hype and overrated etc. it's a passive aggressive viewing experience, rather than a braveheart underdog mentality. when the villain wins it's more about how royals suck rather than the dominant villain being dominant, the story just falls flat. pro wrestling is all about hyping the villain and rejoicing in the brutal beatdowns. if LOL is the same peddler of drama they should learn from that. I'm not so sure whether this would solve the problem at all. I mean, how many times would you be able to rehash the same monotonous storyline of "who can challenge the Koreans this time round?" before it gets old? Instead of doing things on the fly, and weaving exciting storyline that suits the occasion every time, you're suggesting that people just go into the tournament banking on that one storyline working out, viewing everything through a narrow, fixed scope based on a very rigid, unflexible storyline. Everything becomes about Koreans, and those who challenged them the most, and it becomes so mundane after a while, because you're already restricting yourself to viewing the tournament in terms of very simplistic, and one dimensional parameters. Hyping Korean teams, and grouping them up as this unstoppable machine that needs to be overcome, is a quick-fix problem to people who can't deal with the fact that their favourite teams aren't as victorious as they wish to be. There's so much material, and possible storylines that can be created, and focusing on the most base form of competitive viewing of "I hope we win versus them" would be really counter-productive in my opinion. I mean, I understand that a lot of people are having difficulty coming to terms with their prefered teams not being the best, but Riot Gaming's level of focus on trying to appease those people is not only pitiful, but ends up restricting their product to a very base level. There's always people who view the World Cup simply as a competition that their home nation participates in, and their level of enjoyment begins and ends with how well the team does in it. Yes, we must accomodate those viewers too, no matter how simplistic their approach is, but the World Cup is something way more than simple dick-waving contest between various nations, and shouldn't be treated as such. I fear that Riot Gaming has already set focus on a direction that limits them from creating a much richer experience for the viewers, and this focus on "what should we do with the fact that Asians win so much" is way too excessive in my opinion. It would be like me limiting myself from enjoying the World Cup for all its glory because Asian teams don't have enough success in it, instead of focusing on discovering new talent, the clash of various styles from all over the world, a brand new storyline ready to be created, and start to restrict myself by muttering the one dimensional "CAN WE WIN THIS TIME?" train of thought all the way through the tournament. It's stupid. As much as the casual viewer matters, when you start catering too much for them, you end up creating a product that is as mundane as the thought of those casual viewers. Maybe it doesn't matter if all Riot Gaming is interested in is raking in easy dough while their game is hot, but if they want to create something that will sustain itself throughout the years, something that was good, something that was worthy, and rich in experience, they have bigger stuff to worry about than Koreans winning too much. Just my opinion, but it makes me bitter as hell when people try to rationalize everything, when all I want is for competitive League of Legends to be something Starcraft (not the second version) used to be. It has the potential to be even bigger, but I'm getting bad vibes from the days of Starcraft 2 when so much seemed to be focused on that one dimensional thought of "can we beat the Koreans at Starcraft". | ||
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Lylat
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oneofthem
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On October 12 2013 17:11 Letmelose wrote: I'm not so sure whether this would solve the problem at all. I mean, how many times would you be able to rehash the same monotonous storyline of "who can challenge the Koreans this time round?" before it gets old? Instead of doing things on the fly, and weaving exciting storyline that suits the occasion every time, you're suggesting that people just go into the tournament banking on that one storyline working out, viewing everything through a narrow, fixed scope based on a very rigid, unflexible storyline. Everything becomes about Koreans, and those who challenged them the most, and it becomes so mundane after a while, because you're already restricting yourself to viewing the tournament in terms of very simplistic, and one dimensional parameters. Hyping Korean teams, and grouping them up as this unstoppable machine that needs to be overcome, is a quick-fix problem to people who can't deal with the fact that their favourite teams aren't as victorious as they wish to be. There's so much material, and possible storylines that can be created, and focusing on the most base form of competitive viewing of "I hope we win versus them" would be really counter-productive in my opinion. I mean, I understand that a lot of people are having difficulty coming to terms with their prefered teams not being the best, but Riot Gaming's level of focus on trying to appease those people is not only pitiful, but ends up restricting their product to a very base level. i agree that it's not the perfect solution, but hte situation with league compared to sc2 makes it work somewhat. first, you have region locking so worlds and all stars are the only few chances in which western teams get beat up. this is different from sc2 where they get beat up in a monotonous and weekly manner. The korean overlord storyline may get tired in sc2, but for lol it just gets revived twice a year, so i think it has more leg to it. there's no real interaction between the scenes except as a backdrop to the drama, with the koreans forever in the background providing some sort of world framing context. for casual LCS viewers this is not going to make them not watch the NA scene because the daily drama etc will still be there. those people who are interested in the game content are probably already watching OGN. you can then have this semi hostile but still drama creating bickering between the two groups that adds more stuff for people to talk about. also i think riot's way of presenting the hype just follows the usual pattern of casters presenting a lopsided game. they tend to want to preserve suspense, even false suspense, regardless of how the game is going on. this habit extended onto a tourney format means that they tend to balance the hype between the contenders, and replace storyline with noise. this is a part of catering to casuals, but also a part of how artificial some part of their production can be. | ||
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Dan HH
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Apoptotic
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Edit: I think I jinxed it. | ||
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