EPT[Patch 3.12] (j/k) Jinx General Discussion - Page 114
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Kyrie
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Zaphod Beeblebrox
Denmark697 Posts
1. Team based 2. A fixed arena 3. Only one Hero/Champion/Avatar per person 4. A progression system (levels, equipment, skills) that increases your strength 5. Each game is a contained enviroment where nothing carries over (inter game progression is another system) MOBA really doesn't encompass more than the two first aspects, and those are shared with a whole lot of other genres. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On October 09 2013 21:27 Requizen wrote: MOBA is a dumb term because it's broad and doesn't particularly mean anything. Shooters can be described as a Multiplayer Online Battle Arena. 4v4 SC2 can be described as a Multiplayer Online Battle Arena. SSBB can be described as a Multiplayer Online Battle Arena. ARTS makes more sense from a description standpoint, but a better term would be like third person tactica or something like that. RTS is a pretty broad term as well. Lots of game require strategy and take place in real time. Genre is just somethings that's true because everyone agrees it is, whether you break it down and it doesn't or does make sense is inconsequential | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On October 09 2013 21:51 Clinic wrote: aos was ditched because aeon of strife conveys absolutely no useful information about what the game is. the genre is infamously difficult to describe (five on five wizard football), but moba at least makes an attempt wait what five on five wizard football sounds hilarious we should use that | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 09 2013 21:51 Dan HH wrote: Let's not pretend that if, say, SMITE quickly became the most popular online game and the most watched esport that there wouldn't be a bunch of LoL players talking crap about it and trying to nitpick its every aspect and Hi-Rez's every action. But it's not worth discussing insecure shitposting, most mature Dota/SC2 players that don't follow LoL simply don't care about it. That's a bad example if you know anything about Hi-Rez's background lol, everyone already bitches about them and hates them for what they do. Smite is an incredibly fun game and would be far more successful in the hands of another company. On October 09 2013 21:53 MattBarry wrote: RTS is a pretty broad term as well. Lots of game require strategy and take place in real time. Genre is just somethings that's true because everyone agrees it is, whether you break it down and it doesn't or does make sense is inconsequential RTS makes sense if you take the term Strategy as its own genre. Strategy was already used to describe board games like Risk/Chess/Stratego/etc, or old fashioned wargames. RTS was the natural term once both players started playing in real-time rather than turn based. | ||
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KarlKaliente
United States434 Posts
On October 09 2013 21:27 Requizen wrote: MOBA is a dumb term because it's broad and doesn't particularly mean anything. Shooters can be described as a Multiplayer Online Battle Arena. 4v4 SC2 can be described as a Multiplayer Online Battle Arena. SSBB can be described as a Multiplayer Online Battle Arena. ARTS makes more sense from a description standpoint, but a better term would be like third person tactica or something like that. It doesn't have to be perfectly accurate for everyone to know what it applies to. Why stress over meaningless semantics when 99% of the gaming population knows what you are talking about when you say MOBA? | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
On October 09 2013 21:55 Nos- wrote: wait what five on five wizard football sounds hilarious we should use that I'm definitely joining this. FoFWF is our new genre. Foffwizzf is so much fun to say. Just say it out loud and try not to smile. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 09 2013 16:32 Itsmedudeman wrote: I find league and dota to overlap in certain areas and require different skillsets in others. I think league benefits a lot more from reaction time and speed whereas dota benefits more from being able to micro multiple units and requires more game sense at a general level. Game sense differs a lot between scenarios though. Compare the lane setups for league to dota and you have many more situations where the power dynamic between champions laning against each other require a lot of experience and knowing how/when to trade is an important thing to know compared to dota. Have you like, never played, or even watched DotA? Are you really trying to argue that League has a wider variety of lane setups/power dynamics, and somehow requires quicker reaction times(I'm guessing this is solely on the back of Flash as well, otherwise I actually have no clue what you think differentiates the two)? On October 09 2013 18:19 UniversalSnip wrote: As far as the terminology, I can't believe you guys actually care about terms like champion and moba. Champion and hero are interchangeable and whether moba is a good term is like the least interesting discussion ever, if somebody actually gets huffy over that maybe you should just smack them upside the head and change the topic because they're obviously the problem? I get the feeling that it's more like our in-forum 10 commandments, where certain things just seem to spark really stupid arguments for no reason, and thus are just banned from being posted. The champion and MOBA ones probably stem from early in DotA2 beta(maybe it still happens now I generally only play in 5 stacks) when LoL players would try the game out and bitch all game about the differences. Yes that went both ways as well, because anyone who accidentally uttered an 'LoL word' would risk getting shouted at just because they apparently played the game, but that's all the more reason to just keep that shit out of a forum that is meant for discussion and not shit talking. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On October 09 2013 21:55 Nos- wrote: wait what five on five wizard football sounds hilarious we should use that That just reminds me of star strikers, the best part of sc2 | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I think I'm just kind of repeating things other people have said at this point, as is everyone else. Let's talk about something different. What champions would you run if you wanted to do a Double AD comp, but have it be AD Marksman top with a "regular" mid and jungle (that is, no Ez jungle or Corki Mid for double ADC)? | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Vayne top is pretty solid though since you don't want ADCs to jungle like some kind of fascist. Additionally I think you could run your bot lane ADC as like Ashe/Varus for some additional CC and then someone like Vayne top lane to do the damages. I can see Corki or Quinn working in top lane as well though. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I really only said AD top because we've seen Ez jungles and Corki/Ez/Cait mids before. I think Vayne top could be possible considering that she kites bruisers fairly well (tumble/knockback/stealth) and can farm to lategame like a Jax top can. I was always under the impression that Graves top would work as well, he's not that easy to lock down and can bully decently in lane with his burst. | ||
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
maybe even a wizard footballer | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 09 2013 21:48 Nos- wrote: What's the point of BF if you're not using the cleave?... By the pure numbers, it's cost-efficient. But it's cost-efficient in the sense of you're paying a ton of money for a bunch of regen stats. On October 09 2013 23:49 xes wrote: Genres are just words and words have no a priori meaning. There's nothing wrong with MOBA as long as it is understood to contain a specific definition. The attempt to find an analytic a priori term for DotA-LoL is futile because language is itself synthetic. Exactly. The only thing that matters is that the term MOBA is ubiquitous enough now that people will understand you when you use the term. Everything else is irrelevant. On October 09 2013 23:59 Clinic wrote: are you a wizard maybe even a wizard footballer Wizard Football is my new favorite term for this genre. | ||
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