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You don't send Sivir mid considering how bad she is at roaming and pushing against mana-efficient pushers.
And Jinx has a 140 total AD ratio on a 6s cd on her W, while her rocket launcher gives her 600-675 range. Considering that crit doesn't work on towers, and that she totally has the waveclear to shove her lane fast, I'd say you play her similar to Caitlyn: BT first (and maybe even LW after) so you can take the outer tower ring fast then move on to sieging and objective control using her poke and powerful long-range attacks.
On the other hand you probably want AS too, because even though she has a huge AS steroid you likely won't max it first (I mean, look at her W again) and it has some ramping up to do, like Jax's passive. She also has amongst the worst base+scaling AS in the game, ending up 4th worst tied with Thresh at 18, with Annie and known offenders Nautilus and Morgana at the lower ranks.
Buying AS will let you hit the tower more when sieging, especially as you won't use the steroid since you'll be in rocket launcher mode for the range and increased damage (I wonder if it triggers the splash and if it means standing near the tower means she'll draw aggro with it).
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On October 10 2013 00:51 red_ wrote:
You guys are clearly scrubs at Football(come at me EU), those teams are dumpster tier, worse than Jacksonville.
Bro we're stright rolling tide up in here. I'm at the top of my fantasey league I'ves got the skills.
Classic TL reponse to seeing a new champ
I can't wait to use this champ not in the role they designed her for.
Me I'm pretty excited for top jinx. her chompers and zap make it hard to gank her I think
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On October 10 2013 00:52 Alaric wrote:
You don't send Sivir mid considering how bad she is at roaming and pushing against mana-efficient pushers.
And Jinx has a 140 total AD ratio on a 6s cd on her W, while her rocket launcher gives her 600-675 range. Considering that crit doesn't work on towers, and that she totally has the waveclear to shove her lane fast, I'd say you play her similar to Caitlyn: BT first (and maybe even LW after) so you can take the outer tower ring fast then move on to sieging and objective control using her poke and powerful long-range attacks.
On the other hand you probably want AS too, because even though she has a huge AS steroid you likely won't max it first (I mean, look at her W again) and it has some ramping up to do, like Jax's passive. She also has amongst the worst base+scaling AS in the game, ending up 4th worst tied with Thresh at 18, with Annie and known offenders Nautilus and Morgana at the lower ranks.
Buying AS will let you hit the tower more when sieging, especially as you won't use the steroid since you'll be in rocket launcher mode for the range and increased damage (I wonder if it triggers the splash and if it means standing near the tower means she'll draw aggro with it).
Fishbones AoE procs on towers, so you can draw aggro from sieging. Even though the range is relatively short, I think Pow-Pow is much better for taking out towers just for the sake of AS. LoL wiki says that once Pow-Pow is stacked she has the highest non-active-steroid AS in the game, so a BT/LW build for pushing is likely a good choice.
I just have an unnatural attraction to BotRK though haha. If you were going to spend all game with Pow-Pow I think it would be a great buy, but as it doesn't do much for Fishbones it's probably not the best choice.
Edit: looks like Neo will have to change the thread name hue
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IMO Jinx could just be an IE champion.
AoE crit damage is absolutely nuts. Just need an initiation of some sort on a couple of people, and a lucky crit for some pretty ridiculous shit.
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On October 10 2013 00:46 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:44 Requizen wrote:
It'd be quite humorous if C9 and Fnatic were the ones voted out.
I'm sure someone is trying, honestly. Bu...but...I'd never get over that Game 3 then. riot pls. Also, if Dignitas ends up going, I demand they pull out Soraka mid/Lulu top, for nostalgia's sake.
Wonder if kiwikid could do his standard feed initiation
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On October 10 2013 00:21 onlywonderboy wrote:This was posted in the Pro Scene Evolution thread, but it probably deserves a spot here as well: NA and EU LCS teams will compete in a tournament at IEM Cologne.Show nested quote +In the Pro Tournament at IEM Cologne, four LCS teams will face the best teams from the Russian and the Turkish regions. Which the four LCS teams in the tournament will be is up to you!
We're setting up polls on IEM Facebook where you can vote for two LCS EU and two LCS US team you want to see clashing in Cologne. CLG, Cloud9, Dignitas, Fnatic, Lemondogs, ALTERNATE and more are counting on your vote! Like I said in that thread, this is interesting as it will give us a chance to see some teams play in the downtime and we should get some more NA v EU games. Edit: Prediction Cloud 9, TSM, Fnaitc, Gambit/EG Apparently the vote is just between Cloud 9, CLG, Dignitas, and Fnatic, Lemondogs, and Alternate. So at least we'll get Fnatic and Cloud 9. Edit 2: I guess it doesn't say they will face each other, but I think tournament implies there will be a bracket. If it's the LCS teams ONLY playing against Russian/Turkish teams I'm gonna be so disappointed.
I wonder if it being those 6 suggests they are the ones that aren't going through roster changes.
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Anyone notice the Jinx taunt is a parody of the Vi song?
Must. Buy.
Edit: Must not confuse Jinx with Jynx
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Personally, I wouldn't max W first. The mana cost increase is absolutely insane and it doesn't that give that much damage, only 45 per level while most of the skill's damage comes from the AD ratio. It also is rather unreliable as a skill.
She seems to scale the best with armor penetration. I'd go with a BotRK / apen type of a build at least to begin with. It also helps with her aspd as the scaling is really bad.
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On October 10 2013 01:12 JimmiC wrote:
I think the problem with dual adc in a Wizard football game like lol. and often the problem with peoples attitudes to lol when it comes to whos viable and whos great, as well as just how they are playing and why they are losing.
Is a way to high of empasis on lane phase. Very few games unless there is like a 10 k gold difference or something are decided then.
Most are decided later based on objective control, team fighting, team work.
My point is sure, you can put graves top. He will do fine against lots of top champs. Infact if he might even leave lane ahead in CS and or kills. However, would u rather have a cait and graves. or a jax/nasus and cait. Damage is great but u can't peel for 2 adcs and a apc. Usually one gets blown up even before the fight starts because unless you have a specialized team you have probaby lost much of your cc and iniate.
I love seeing people pick teemo or a adc top when I play nasus. sure I'm going to lose early, but if the jungler ganks with wither and so on, good night time for me to snowball and explode that char non stop. If he doesn't I'll still farm under turret and be a monster mid to late. Nothing is funnier then stopming people mid game when "they totally dominated you in lane" and they say something like "gg bot lane, I owned top" or "gg jungler I won top"
I'm off topic but point stands. When decideing your pick think about not just how you will do in lane, and the first 15-20 but how u will do throughout. Also, if you are a higher pick try to pick something that works with most comps. Cause sure maybe 2 adcs will work with cho mid and hec jungle or something. But the chances of your later picks thinking like that is slim. If you are one of the last picks and you think it can add value go ahead. But I think most of the time you will end up "winning" the lane, but losing the game.
your point is absolutely true, which is why double ad comps replace the mid rather than top laner with the second ad. even then, the inherent difficulty of having to peel for two ad carries makes ezreal pretty much the only viable second ad
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On October 10 2013 01:12 JimmiC wrote:
I think the problem with dual adc in a Wizard football game like lol. and often the problem with peoples attitudes to lol when it comes to whos viable and whos great, as well as just how they are playing and why they are losing.
Is a way to high of empasis on lane phase. Very few games unless there is like a 10 k gold difference or something are decided then.
Most are decided later based on objective control, team fighting, team work.
My point is sure, you can put graves top. He will do fine against lots of top champs. Infact if he might even leave lane ahead in CS and or kills. However, would u rather have a cait and graves. or a jax/nasus and cait. Damage is great but u can't peel for 2 adcs and a apc. Usually one gets blown up even before the fight starts because unless you have a specialized team you have probaby lost much of your cc and iniate.
I love seeing people pick teemo or a adc top when I play nasus. sure I'm going to lose early, but if the jungler ganks with wither and so on, good night time for me to snowball and explode that char non stop. If he doesn't I'll still farm under turret and be a monster mid to late. Nothing is funnier then stopming people mid game when "they totally dominated you in lane" and they say something like "gg bot lane, I owned top" or "gg jungler I won top"
I'm off topic but point stands. When decideing your pick think about not just how you will do in lane, and the first 15-20 but how u will do throughout. Also, if you are a higher pick try to pick something that works with most comps. Cause sure maybe 2 adcs will work with cho mid and hec jungle or something. But the chances of your later picks thinking like that is slim. If you are one of the last picks and you think it can add value go ahead. But I think most of the time you will end up "winning" the lane, but losing the game.
but at the same time you can send a vayne or a graves top and well as another adc bottom and then pick lissandra or orianna for mid and you have better control than say a jax top with a pure damage mage mid.
but on the flipside ive watched plenty of diamond 1 level streams and watched adc's who dont actually understand the basics of their role in team fights so even at a reasonable level of play theorycrafting team comps is risky at best.
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On October 10 2013 00:42 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:26 Seuss wrote:On October 09 2013 23:30 overt wrote:
I've done Quinn jungle a few times. I'm really over selling it because of how much I love Quinn. I don't think Quinn or Ez are good jungling choices but I think that if you're hell bent on jungling an ADC Quinn is almost certainly the best choice simply because her ganks are more reliable than others (especially post-6) and her clear is pretty safe with the damage mitigation and AoE from blind (not taking any damage from a camp for 1.5 seconds is clutch). Jinx is easily going to steal the title of "best ADC jungler" when she comes out. Permanent 70% AS steroid at level 1 too strong. I'm pretty sure Jinx will outclass Quinn on every level. Not just as the "better at jungling than you" spot. Quinn is quickly becoming Sivir 2.0
But quinn is good at soloq 
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Fav Jinx quote so far:
Jinx? Stands for Jinx. Duhhh
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On October 10 2013 01:12 JimmiC wrote:
I think the problem with dual adc in a Wizard football game like lol. and often the problem with peoples attitudes to lol when it comes to whos viable and whos great, as well as just how they are playing and why they are losing.
Is a way to high of empasis on lane phase. Very few games unless there is like a 10 k gold difference or something are decided then.
Most are decided later based on objective control, team fighting, team work.
My point is sure, you can put graves top. He will do fine against lots of top champs. Infact if he might even leave lane ahead in CS and or kills. However, would u rather have a cait and graves. or a jax/nasus and cait. Damage is great but u can't peel for 2 adcs and a apc. Usually one gets blown up even before the fight starts because unless you have a specialized team you have probaby lost much of your cc and iniate.
I love seeing people pick teemo or a adc top when I play nasus. sure I'm going to lose early, but if the jungler ganks with wither and so on, good night time for me to snowball and explode that char non stop. If he doesn't I'll still farm under turret and be a monster mid to late. Nothing is funnier then stopming people mid game when "they totally dominated you in lane" and they say something like "gg bot lane, I owned top" or "gg jungler I won top"
I'm off topic but point stands. When decideing your pick think about not just how you will do in lane, and the first 15-20 but how u will do throughout. Also, if you are a higher pick try to pick something that works with most comps. Cause sure maybe 2 adcs will work with cho mid and hec jungle or something. But the chances of your later picks thinking like that is slim. If you are one of the last picks and you think it can add value go ahead. But I think most of the time you will end up "winning" the lane, but losing the game.
Double AD is a pretty specific comp though. Hard divers will butcher it, but in lieu of that having 2 farmed ADCs is pretty hard to deal with once they both have a big item or two. Even if you blow everything on one and instagib it, there's another ADC there to chew through your front line. And if your front line is someone they can kite, just cry.
The plan would be to have like J4/Sej/Naut jungle with their high disruption and protection prowess, maybe even with a mid who can peel like Kennen/Grag/Morg/Liss/Anivia.
Obviously the question you pose and the real thinker is "does the damage of a second ADC outweigh the prowess of a second tank or bruiser", the answer to which, I think, is situationally yes.
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I think it boils down to what you want with a top. You can do the exact same thing you do with jax but with jinx. With CC and the damage you deal provides a ton of threat and forces them to go out of position to deal with you or to ignore you allowing you to clean up the fight.
I think jinx might end up being more of a pure kite champ so a thirster wisper omen build might be wicked. Idk I just see a lot of comparisons to graves in her kit.
Would be interested to see if her q triggers sheen procs. would make phage shinanagins in lane something fun to watch.
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On October 10 2013 01:15 Shikyo wrote:
Personally, I wouldn't max W first. The mana cost increase is absolutely insane and it doesn't that give that much damage, only 45 per level while most of the skill's damage comes from the AD ratio. It also is rather unreliable as a skill.
She seems to scale the best with armor penetration. I'd go with a BotRK / apen type of a build at least to begin with. It also helps with her aspd as the scaling is really bad.
I'm not sure if a 10 mana increase qualifies for "absolutely insane", given that considering the skill it's not something she's going to spamming. You also cannot discount the effectiveness of the slow ramping up with each level. a 1450 range 70% slow on a 6sec cd hitting for a 1.4 ratio with a moderate 210 base damage is pretty beast, especially once you get a BF sword.
I see her more of a rush IE type of champ, with maxing W first. I feel like getting the BF sword times out to be around when you'd max your first skill, and maxing Q second will get you to your max range hopefully by the time you finish your IE, which is when it'd be the most useful.
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10 mana cost and 10 mana cost, maxing it over leaving it at lvl 1 increases the mana cost by 89%
I guess it depends on whether she will have mana problems due to that but considering that rocket also costs mana and she has the third-lowest mp pool at lvl 1, it's pretty likely.
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