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On October 10 2013 01:31 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 01:18 turdburgler wrote:On October 10 2013 01:12 JimmiC wrote:
I think the problem with dual adc in a Wizard football game like lol. and often the problem with peoples attitudes to lol when it comes to whos viable and whos great, as well as just how they are playing and why they are losing.
Is a way to high of empasis on lane phase. Very few games unless there is like a 10 k gold difference or something are decided then.
Most are decided later based on objective control, team fighting, team work.
My point is sure, you can put graves top. He will do fine against lots of top champs. Infact if he might even leave lane ahead in CS and or kills. However, would u rather have a cait and graves. or a jax/nasus and cait. Damage is great but u can't peel for 2 adcs and a apc. Usually one gets blown up even before the fight starts because unless you have a specialized team you have probaby lost much of your cc and iniate.
I love seeing people pick teemo or a adc top when I play nasus. sure I'm going to lose early, but if the jungler ganks with wither and so on, good night time for me to snowball and explode that char non stop. If he doesn't I'll still farm under turret and be a monster mid to late. Nothing is funnier then stopming people mid game when "they totally dominated you in lane" and they say something like "gg bot lane, I owned top" or "gg jungler I won top"
I'm off topic but point stands. When decideing your pick think about not just how you will do in lane, and the first 15-20 but how u will do throughout. Also, if you are a higher pick try to pick something that works with most comps. Cause sure maybe 2 adcs will work with cho mid and hec jungle or something. But the chances of your later picks thinking like that is slim. If you are one of the last picks and you think it can add value go ahead. But I think most of the time you will end up "winning" the lane, but losing the game. but at the same time you can send a vayne or a graves top and well as another adc bottom and then pick lissandra or orianna for mid and you have better control than say a jax top with a pure damage mage mid. but on the flipside ive watched plenty of diamond 1 level streams and watched adc's who dont actually understand the basics of their role in team fights so even at a reasonable level of play theorycrafting team comps is risky at best. Totally agree, and basically that was point. Sure you could do it with the right comp and everyone understanding there role in this specific comp. But thats just not gonna happen often in solo Q. Do that kinda thing in ranked teams or 5 man premade where you can have a plan. or at the very least if you bust it out in soloq and you "win" lane but lose the game, at least consider if maybe your character choice was part of the problem. Whether it simply pissed people off having them under perform cause they are always typing at you. Or whether it atually didn't fit the comp. It can't be your expectation on solo q that people will play the way you want them to, or build a team comp around your pick. Since your pick is something you can control it's a much better strategy to pick based on what the team wants, or will probably do.
At the same time, though, there's nothing stopping you from being last pick top and seeing a Sej jungle/Ori mid and picking Graves/Vayne top in that situation, and then just muting your teammates if they cry.
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On October 10 2013 00:52 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:51 red_ wrote:
You guys are clearly scrubs at Football(come at me EU), those teams are dumpster tier, worse than Jacksonville. Bro we're stright rolling tide up in here. I'm at the top of my fantasey league I'ves got the skills. Classic TL reponse to seeing a new champ I can't wait to use this champ not in the role they designed her for. Me I'm pretty excited for top jinx. her chompers and zap make it hard to gank her I think
Keep in mind her base movespeed is 325, the same as a certain super slow bird. Zap also has a casting time, can miss, and will only slow one opponent.
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On October 10 2013 01:30 Shikyo wrote:
10 mana cost and 10 mana cost, maxing it over leaving it at lvl 1 increases the mana cost by 89%
I guess it depends on whether she will have mana problems due to that but considering that rocket also costs mana and she has the third-lowest mp pool at lvl 1, it's pretty likely.
I can't find any numbers for the mana cost of her rocket launcher. Does anyone know how much/if it scales per level?
Either way, I don't think that the mana cost of W is going to be a problem. You spend most of your time autoattacking anyway, and its clear that it's not really a poke skill. It's not meant to do a shitton of damage right off the bat for no cost, it's super long range and the slow is massive once it gets a few levels. It feels a lot more like a "Hey my jungler is here, let's make his life easy" or a "Oh shit I see their jungler lol he can't touch me" kind of skill, just like with E.
I know Q range also increases, but I feel like it's a lot more useful for teamfights rather than laning, which is why I think that getting it second would make more sense. W E for all of the lane safety, and by the time you get a few levels in Q your team is probably grouping and roaming.
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of all the lanes to possibly run jinx, top is probably the worst one. the lane is too long and she has no escape. kiting backwards down midlane is not the same as escaping from a pincer gank
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Rocket Launcher is a flat 20 mana/shot at every level.
Also screw my goddamn ISP and youtube's shitty coding, with my bandwith being throttled for everything stream-like (till probably 10 or 11 PM, so 4 hours ffrom now) I have to let the video running in the background (cut the sound) till it's fully loaded, and then pray I can click to where I was without freaking youtube deciding to load all over again the friggin' whole video that is already in the buffer, which it tends to do most of the time.
That or I watch in in 240p. Yeah.
On October 10 2013 01:22 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Fav Jinx quote so far:
Jinx? Stands for Jinx. Duhhh
Tch-tch-tch-tch-tch-tch-tch-tch-tch-tch-tch-tch-tcha!
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she looks really fun though, and her concept is pretty well fleshed out. Lucian has a nemesis but its so one-dimensional. Thresh took my wife =>revenge. Jynx has Vi yet they are kinda similar in that they like doing things against the grain, its also nice to have an anti-piltover person not from Zaun, all in all I want to buy her and have no ip 
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the number of jinx gifs and screencaps topping reddit is making me a little uncomfortable
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On October 10 2013 01:42 Clinic wrote:
the number of jinx gifs and screencaps topping reddit is making me a little uncomfortable
Really Riot's fault for making such a kickass video for one of their niftiest characters.
Imagine if they went back and did that for all the champs. Oh gosh the Ahri gifs.
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jinx kit just seems to fill the same role as caits. i can appreciate the art style but from a gameplay perspective she doesnt add much new to the game. unless you think that people trying to land ashe arrows across the map and then not having it available for important team fights is a core concept that should be expanded upon.
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On October 10 2013 01:49 turdburgler wrote:
jinx kit just seems to fill the same role as caits. i can appreciate the art style but from a gameplay perspective she doesnt add much new to the game. unless you think that people trying to land ashe arrows across the map and then not having it available for important team fights is a core concept that should be expanded upon.
bigger numbers more explosions more sales
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I like versatility in champs. I love the idea of switching weapons (Udyr would be one of my favorite champs if we weren't playing League of Mobility), so getting one on a cool Marksman design makes her an instabuy.
Of course I'm 1k IP short so I'll need to get RP -.-
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On October 10 2013 01:55 Requizen wrote:
I like versatility in champs. I love the idea of switching weapons (Udyr would be one of my favorite champs if we weren't playing League of Mobility), so getting one on a cool Marksman design makes her an instabuy.
Of course I'm 1k IP short so I'll need to get RP -.-
where the hell are you even putting that ip. at this point I don't see much reason for me to even get new champs because I have almost all the old ones and I barely play anymore, it's so easy to keep up now.
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On October 10 2013 00:52 Alaric wrote:
You don't send Sivir mid considering how bad she is at roaming and pushing against mana-efficient pushers.
And Jinx has a 140 total AD ratio on a 6s cd on her W, while her rocket launcher gives her 600-675 range. Considering that crit doesn't work on towers, and that she totally has the waveclear to shove her lane fast, I'd say you play her similar to Caitlyn: BT first (and maybe even LW after) so you can take the outer tower ring fast then move on to sieging and objective control using her poke and powerful long-range attacks.
On the other hand you probably want AS too, because even though she has a huge AS steroid you likely won't max it first (I mean, look at her W again) and it has some ramping up to do, like Jax's passive. She also has amongst the worst base+scaling AS in the game, ending up 4th worst tied with Thresh at 18, with Annie and known offenders Nautilus and Morgana at the lower ranks.
Buying AS will let you hit the tower more when sieging, especially as you won't use the steroid since you'll be in rocket launcher mode for the range and increased damage (I wonder if it triggers the splash and if it means standing near the tower means she'll draw aggro with it).
You're overestimating the impact of Jinx' ramp up. One Jinx auto at level 1 gives her more attack speed than Jax gets from four stacks. She also only loses one stack at a time, unlike Jax. She's also ranged, so it's much easier to maintain/gain stacks. Basically, the ramp up is practically meaningless.
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On October 10 2013 01:57 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 01:55 Requizen wrote:
I like versatility in champs. I love the idea of switching weapons (Udyr would be one of my favorite champs if we weren't playing League of Mobility), so getting one on a cool Marksman design makes her an instabuy.
Of course I'm 1k IP short so I'll need to get RP -.- where the hell are you even putting that ip. at this point I don't see much reason for me to even get new champs because I have almost all the old ones and I barely play anymore, it's so easy to keep up now.
I started buying supports because I only had Soraka/Janna/Taric, so I got Lulu and Sona a while ago. Also I haven't been playing as much, so there's that.
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On October 10 2013 01:42 Clinic wrote:
the number of jinx gifs and screencaps topping reddit is making me a little uncomfortable
It's like Draven all over again. Except the community turned Draven into a legend, Riot just told us, "Jinx is cool."
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On October 10 2013 01:49 turdburgler wrote:
jinx kit just seems to fill the same role as caits. i can appreciate the art style but from a gameplay perspective she doesnt add much new to the game. unless you think that people trying to land ashe arrows across the map and then not having it available for important team fights is a core concept that should be expanded upon.
Would have really liked a funky mage with spray cans and a paintball gun. No idea how it would work but would be awesome. ADC just so boring for such a cool character.
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On October 10 2013 00:43 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:12 JonGalt wrote:
Wait. Is it Five on Five Wizard Football as in Soccer or pigskin football?
Edit: Pigskin, as in American football is way better.
QB: Syndra
RB: Poppy
FB: Rammus
Oline: Ali, Maokai, Malphite, Gragas, Nautilus
TE: Garen
WR: Lee Sin, Draven
Come at me. QB: Xerath RB: Garen FB: Ali O line: Mao Rammus Cho Sej Shen TE: Galio Blitz WR: Khaziz Talon Ahri Akali Blind man can't catch football bro Cloaky WR best WR. if poppy goes to someone they'll tackle her because shes small yo Rammus can't pick up blitzers very well and ali will just get pulled out of position by a corner blitz. Throws the rock at range in the pocket much better then syndra ever could. Garen can break tackles move fast and deliver a bone crunching blow to run over the saftey. Your football lol theorycraft is bronze level yo. I came at you.
Lee Sin is obviously the place kicker.
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I've probably watched this Jinx video 100 times.
If I wasn't already engaged to Lux I'd be fighting Req over her.
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