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TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
October 09 2013 10:17 GMT
#2241
If you didn't play Brood War you're nothing. All modern "pro" games are nothing anyway, no point trying to show off your e-peen on one of them.

---> Tongue in cheek but with a grain of truth.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 10:46:21
October 09 2013 10:45 GMT
#2242
incidentally, league pros who were bw players? watch, pray, piglet, shy. pretty good roster

puppey in dota used to be a bw player as well
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 09 2013 11:03 GMT
#2243
I don't get it. Ahri changes:http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=42076856#42076856

Why are they doing anything in the first place. It's the end of the season with season 4 coming up next so why change a champ that has had zero changes in the first place instead of waiting. Meh I don't get Riot staff at all
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 11:05:22
October 09 2013 11:04 GMT
#2244
Well, IIRC we had a huge argument in DotA general discussion about how I think Battle Fury Medusa is not a troll build.
Basically I pointed out some strategies that can work / be viable in a pub environment and argued about what makes them good and then got banned for 1 week for that. So in addition to the inhouse experiences I certainly haven't had good experiences with the section...

Either way, I believe that the modnote indeed is passive-aggressive. I cannot recall seeing anyone in here go like "lol dotanoob" when they call champions heroes or turrets towers... I just see them ignore it and talk about the point itself, because you can understand precisely what they meant. If anything, they should embrace people who are coming from LoL to DotA instead of shoo-ing them away. How are they looking to grow the community properly otherwise? It just makes no sense to me and gives a really bad vibe, especially when combined with the numerous people posting LoL hate comments, and it certainly is more than just 2 odd men out unless they have severely decreased in amount during the recent months.


On October 09 2013 19:17 TheLink wrote:
If you didn't play Brood War you're nothing. All modern "pro" games are nothing anyway, no point trying to show off your e-peen on one of them.

---> Tongue in cheek but with a grain of truth.

Ah the best computer game achievement is still reaching C on ICCUP with something like a 19-2 score
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 09 2013 11:06 GMT
#2245
What you argued PA farmed faster than AM with Battle Fury and you kept arguing certain things are better than others without ever testing or even having a high level working knowledge of dota. Don't play the victim when you were so far out of line it was scary you didn't get perma banned.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 11:18:54
October 09 2013 11:18 GMT
#2246
On October 09 2013 20:03 Numy wrote:
I don't get it. Ahri changes:http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=42076856#42076856

Why are they doing anything in the first place. It's the end of the season with season 4 coming up next so why change a champ that has had zero changes in the first place instead of waiting. Meh I don't get Riot staff at all

Depends what they mean by "free" damage. Ahri's W and R are basically cast-while-moving animation-less point'n'click nukes as far as their mechanics are concerned (there's an Ahri montage in the pic/vid thread where he doesn't react fast enough and Ws after his enemy gets out of range, he just flashes and immediatly starts walking away, getting barely in range so the fox fires automatically get the kill for him), so maybe they want to make them require a bit more thought to land their damage?

At least they acknowledge that Fizz and Zed burst so fast you can't do much (without cc-ing/exhausting Zed right when he reappears, though, there's that).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
October 09 2013 11:27 GMT
#2247
On October 09 2013 20:04 Shikyo wrote:
Well, IIRC we had a huge argument in DotA general discussion about how I think Battle Fury Medusa is not a troll build.
Basically I pointed out some strategies that can work / be viable in a pub environment and argued about what makes them good and then got banned for 1 week for that. So in addition to the inhouse experiences I certainly haven't had good experiences with the section...

Either way, I believe that the modnote indeed is passive-aggressive. I cannot recall seeing anyone in here go like "lol dotanoob" when they call champions heroes or turrets towers... I just see them ignore it and talk about the point itself, because you can understand precisely what they meant. If anything, they should embrace people who are coming from LoL to DotA instead of shoo-ing them away. How are they looking to grow the community properly otherwise? It just makes no sense to me and gives a really bad vibe, especially when combined with the numerous people posting LoL hate comments, and it certainly is more than just 2 odd men out unless they have severely decreased in amount during the recent months.


Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 19:17 TheLink wrote:
If you didn't play Brood War you're nothing. All modern "pro" games are nothing anyway, no point trying to show off your e-peen on one of them.

---> Tongue in cheek but with a grain of truth.

Ah the best computer game achievement is still reaching C on ICCUP with something like a 19-2 score

I feel like a noob cause i did it with like 42-35 ._.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 11:35:47
October 09 2013 11:30 GMT
#2248
If LoL was officially covered by TL and it would turn out that all the stuff Riot has done to Dota in the past somehow that Valve is doing that to LoL then I would daresay that you would get the same response. Its not good that it happens but it is not unusual/unfounded that it does happen. Even if we disregard the lol casual dota elitist attitude there is a lot more then that that gets disregarded. I believe there are a lot of people who don't mind LoL or watch it(like me or Yango) and that there is a certain amount of crossover. The dislike does not stem from the game itself, it stems from Riot(but any dislike for the game is amplified by Riot's practices).

Shikyo as Numy said it was about you trying to argue that PA farms faster then AM with a Bfury(No, having observer wards scouting out the camps so that you can Blink strike them still doesn't make it worth it). Lets say it was Medusa instead then it still doesn't make it any less stupid and it would just make the thread shit up the thread a ton again.
WriterXiao8~~
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 09 2013 12:08 GMT
#2249
On October 09 2013 20:03 Numy wrote:
I don't get it. Ahri changes:http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=42076856#42076856

Why are they doing anything in the first place. It's the end of the season with season 4 coming up next so why change a champ that has had zero changes in the first place instead of waiting. Meh I don't get Riot staff at all

Because she's always been bullshit, and the sooner they kill her the better.

Those "changes" though... The whole gameplay of Ahri is "land taunt, vomit damage", basing her damage on landing taunt first is like encouraging Tryndameres to attack before he can crit. -_-
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 09 2013 12:15 GMT
#2250
Does Morello even watch his own game? Semi+finals have shown that Ahri is not op at all and I've seen enough fail Ahris in SoloQ. Probably biased since she's one of my favourite champions but I'll be really sad if she's gutted like olaf.
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
October 09 2013 12:17 GMT
#2251
lol at the nerf cycle continuing.

How about we actually buff some of the rubbish midlanes like Morde/Brand/Malz etc?
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
October 09 2013 12:18 GMT
#2252
lol@the ignorance of dota players while they are playing a wc3 UMS map which was made for casuals who couldnt handle 1v1 in already "easy" rts game
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
October 09 2013 12:21 GMT
#2253
Why is MOBA such a bad term? The genre of games has the to called something, I don't see why MOBA doesn't work. I could even agree on calling the genre DotA, since it's the first game of it's kind to get a big player base. Champion/hero and turret/tower doesn't matter either, I mix them all the time even though I've never really touched DotA, the words just mean pretty much the same thing. As long as the point gets across, I don't see why anyone would get upset about wrong terminology.

I would also get sad if Neo decided DotA discussion was banned from this subforum. Imo, DotA/LoL comparisons are interesting and help you understand why both games are played out the way they are.

Shitty topic btw, guess stuff like this is what gets topics banned.
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-09 12:27:57
October 09 2013 12:26 GMT
#2254
On October 09 2013 20:30 Kipsate wrote:
If LoL was officially covered by TL and it would turn out that all the stuff Riot has done to Dota in the past somehow that Valve is doing that to LoL then I would daresay that you would get the same response. Its not good that it happens but it is not unusual/unfounded that it does happen. Even if we disregard the lol casual dota elitist attitude there is a lot more then that that gets disregarded. I believe there are a lot of people who don't mind LoL or watch it(like me or Yango) and that there is a certain amount of crossover. The dislike does not stem from the game itself, it stems from Riot(but any dislike for the game is amplified by Riot's practices).


What kills me about Dota2 players perspective on league is that the VAST majority of the fan base clings on to extremist views held on to by Dota2's prominent community members. The Riot hate, for example, is at a point where every action or event associated with them is a conspiracy to kill Dota2 and "e-sports". I love looking back at interviews from people like Tobi-wan, where he talks about how LCS is terrible and will destroy the LoL pro-scene.

Then there is the entire faction of Dota2 players that used to think LoL's fan base was fabricated and their stream views on twitch were fake.

It really feels like not a single prominent member within the Dota2 community has a positive view of LoL. In fact most of the time it seems as though the Dota2 community pursues ideas just so they can be different from how LoL does things, regardless of how effective the idea may be.

I don't think Riot is perfect, but god am I glad we have Riot over Valve.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 09 2013 12:27 GMT
#2255
MOBA is a dumb term because it's broad and doesn't particularly mean anything. Shooters can be described as a Multiplayer Online Battle Arena. 4v4 SC2 can be described as a Multiplayer Online Battle Arena. SSBB can be described as a Multiplayer Online Battle Arena.

ARTS makes more sense from a description standpoint, but a better term would be like third person tactica or something like that.
It's your boy Guzma!
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 09 2013 12:43 GMT
#2256
I didn't even know battlefury worked on ranged heroes, I never bothered to try.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 09 2013 12:46 GMT
#2257
All but the cleave works. It's fine for damage/regen just almost noone wants that mix of stats at such a price.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
October 09 2013 12:48 GMT
#2258
What's the point of BF if you're not using the cleave?...
Bronze player stuck in platinum
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 09 2013 12:49 GMT
#2259
there was already a term describing dota-lol etc. it's called AoS, a bw custom map. ditching that shows that riot wants to retcon their history and pay no homage
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9120 Posts
October 09 2013 12:51 GMT
#2260
On October 09 2013 21:26 DonKey_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2013 20:30 Kipsate wrote:
If LoL was officially covered by TL and it would turn out that all the stuff Riot has done to Dota in the past somehow that Valve is doing that to LoL then I would daresay that you would get the same response. Its not good that it happens but it is not unusual/unfounded that it does happen. Even if we disregard the lol casual dota elitist attitude there is a lot more then that that gets disregarded. I believe there are a lot of people who don't mind LoL or watch it(like me or Yango) and that there is a certain amount of crossover. The dislike does not stem from the game itself, it stems from Riot(but any dislike for the game is amplified by Riot's practices).


What kills me about Dota2 players perspective on league is that the VAST majority of the fan base clings on to extremist views held on to by Dota2's prominent community members. The Riot hate, for example, is at a point where every action or event associated with them is a conspiracy to kill Dota2 and "e-sports". I love looking back at interviews from people like Tobi-wan, where he talks about how LCS is terrible and will destroy the LoL pro-scene.

Then there is the entire faction of Dota2 players that used to think LoL's fan base was fabricated and their stream views on twitch were fake.

It really feels like not a single prominent member within the Dota2 community has a positive view of LoL. In fact most of the time it seems as though the Dota2 community pursues ideas just so they can be different from how LoL does things, regardless of how effective the idea may be.

I don't think Riot is perfect, but god am I glad we have Riot over Valve.

Let's not pretend that if, say, SMITE quickly became the most popular online game and the most watched esport that there wouldn't be a bunch of LoL players talking crap about it and trying to nitpick its every aspect and Hi-Rez's every action. But it's not worth discussing insecure shitposting, most mature Dota/SC2 players that don't follow LoL simply don't care about it.
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