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Pantagruel
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1427 Posts
September 07 2013 23:01 GMT
#1001
I've been playing a lot of top lane the past few weeks and I have to say I've become very frustrated with the role. I generally do very well in lane, I'd say I don't win lane by some margin only about 10% of the time. Despite that, I'm not able to transfer this advantage into the midgame and teamfights very well. I've recently had some games where I end up something like 10-3-12 and still lose the game convincingly. I tend to play tanky top laners with strong initiate. I'm not sure what I should be doing to help my team win as a top laner. My main role used to be support and if I did well in lane I generally ended up winning the game but that doesn't seem to be the case in top lane. Do current top lane champs have so little influence over games these days or am I not utilizing my advantages from lane properly?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-07 23:04:35
September 07 2013 23:03 GMT
#1002
if you are playing a tanky top and you have a strong lead, you want to try to get your team to join you for objectives.

Being good at convincing your team to follow your lead is part of being good at solo q.

Conversely you could get good at split push tops or tops that are good with trinity if you don't want to rely on your team as much, but if you have good communication skills I wouldn't say that tanky tops can't carry just the same.
Carrilord has arrived.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 07 2013 23:09 GMT
#1003
just play tryndamere and sit top and grief the enemy team
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 07 2013 23:14 GMT
#1004
On September 08 2013 05:59 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 03:33 red_ wrote:
On September 08 2013 03:19 Ketara wrote:
Pretty much every art rework I've thought was a great change, and I've watched this forum disagree with all of them.

I even saw people in here say things like the Master Yi and Sivir model reworks are worse than the originals. Statements like that are so amazing that it's hard to even reply to them.

People will find a reason to be upset with anything.


I legitimately think the new Sivir preview looks terrible for what Sivir is supposed to be(like, some crazy Xena style amazon warrior woman). I'm sure they could've touched up the visuals without making her look like a teenager that's never had to fight in her life, who's default facial expression is somewhat cheerful with some pouty lips.


Sivir is a bounty hunter and she is the single wealthiest person in Valoran, I don't see a problem with her being cheerful :D

Kinda not anymore. Apparently she's going to be a treasure hunter using the money she gains to fund the band she's hanging around with, or something like that, putting her with Shurima.

Welp. I really liked the fact that she was open about being a mercenary and just working for whichever city-state brought the best salary, the way it was done (if you remove the corny "Noxus sent assassins after her but she's dispatched every single one of them" line) gave material to talk about the ethics of the Institute and the way things work.
But Riot has seemingly moved anywhere and everywhere as long as it's away from mentioning the League (aside from "that place where all the champions get to meet each other conveniently") and more importantly the Institute of War ever since the Kalamanda build-up. Which sucks are when they themselves established it as the nexus of political balance and influence within all of Valoran, and put numerous hooks regarding the dubious objectives and ways of handling the situations of the League and its people in general.

Better say how Nunu and Willump are close and how Trundle is one med-sized troll leading his tribe thanks to his big magical weapon that allowed him to defeat his rivals. While Ashe leads her tribe thanks to the magical bow that also allowed her to kill her rivals. Or how Tryndamere is all rage-y because it's inside of him since birth and impressed Aatrox.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 07 2013 23:33 GMT
#1005
Dyrus has like the least interaction with viewers I've seen. He almost never talks and he absolutely never explains anything. ;S If you want a good example of someone interacting with viewers, you could try TOO
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 07 2013 23:37 GMT
#1006
I would say they probably moved away from mentioning the league because it's the single most retarded concept in their entire setting, and they are seeking to slowly make the lore less buttock-clenchingly embarrassing. Probably not a great idea to make a concept a two year old could poke holes in using in-setting logic the hub of your intellectual property.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 07 2013 23:38 GMT
#1007
On September 08 2013 08:33 Shikyo wrote:
Dyrus has like the least interaction with viewers I've seen. He almost never talks and he absolutely never explains anything. ;S If you want a good example of someone interacting with viewers, you could try TOO

Listening to TOO talk makes me cringe.
I understand that a lot of these progamers live in a world where they're essentially teenagers forever but they just sound so uneducated and immature.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 07 2013 23:41 GMT
#1008
On September 08 2013 08:03 Slusher wrote:
if you are playing a tanky top and you have a strong lead, you want to try to get your team to join you for objectives.

Being good at convincing your team to follow your lead is part of being good at solo q.

Conversely you could get good at split push tops or tops that are good with trinity if you don't want to rely on your team as much, but if you have good communication skills I wouldn't say that tanky tops can't carry just the same.

When I have a good lead top I find it a good idea to randomly gank the midlane and take Dragon afterwards. I don't think losing the top turret is a big deal at all - You can get one back really easily if you are ahead and you have more space to kill the opposing laner. I find that after ganking the enemy mid around 2 times my mid suddenly begins overpowering them despite falling behind to begin with. You also get the mid turret for free on even a semi-successful gank(you force them to retreat).

Ganking bottom lane is a lot more difficult and too much of a bother in almost all cases. Oh and I play nothing but Fiora so this might not be applicable on any useful champions anyway. Pretty successful in Gold III.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Pantagruel
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1427 Posts
September 07 2013 23:47 GMT
#1009
On September 08 2013 08:03 Slusher wrote:
if you are playing a tanky top and you have a strong lead, you want to try to get your team to join you for objectives.

Being good at convincing your team to follow your lead is part of being good at solo q.

Conversely you could get good at split push tops or tops that are good with trinity if you don't want to rely on your team as much, but if you have good communication skills I wouldn't say that tanky tops can't carry just the same.


I've been playing a lot of top lane Shyvana to be more specific and she is excellent at split pushing so that is something I do when I feel like my team isn't at risk of getting caught 4v5. Shyvana does so well in lane that I think it's clouding my judgment on her on overall game impact. It doesn't matter if I go 3-5 and 0 in lane if I don't offer anything for teamfights. I'm not sure if I'm playing teamfights wrong or if shyvana is just useless outside of lane. I really like how she plays in lane though, what are some good tanky top laners that are also lane bullies that I can pick up? I can think of Renekton for one, what other champs should I pick up?
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-07 23:53:39
September 07 2013 23:52 GMT
#1010
zac

shyvana looks fun as hell tho i wanna try her eventually
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
September 07 2013 23:54 GMT
#1011
http://gamingforgood.net/donate/27686136

SivHD has raised over a million for Athene's charity drive today.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
September 07 2013 23:55 GMT
#1012
on Zed what is better to max first?
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Knighthawkbro
Profile Joined August 2011
United States183 Posts
September 07 2013 23:57 GMT
#1013
On September 08 2013 08:54 Gahlo wrote:
http://gamingforgood.net/donate/27686136

SivHD has raised over a million for Athene's charity drive today.


Donated $150
"I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -George Carlin
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 07 2013 23:58 GMT
#1014
On September 08 2013 08:55 Kenpachi wrote:
on Zed what is better to max first?

Honestly I really think Q is the strongest, but there are definitely a few situations where the confirmed damage and stronger waveclear of maxing Shadow Slash can be preferable.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
September 07 2013 23:59 GMT
#1015
pretty sure everyone maxes Q first now
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-08 00:04:34
September 08 2013 00:00 GMT
#1016
what items are you building? (@Shyvana guy)

so you have a replay you could post in the replay thread, honestly if you are winning lane with Shy it seems like she'd be really strong on paper.
Carrilord has arrived.
Pantagruel
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1427 Posts
September 08 2013 00:06 GMT
#1017
I build her tanky in general. My first big item will usually be randuins omen depending on lane opponent, enemy composition whatnot with a cutlass sprinkled in somewhere. After that I build spirit visage and complete my BotRK. I use BotRK as my main dps item though with the new trinity force I might have to consider this. The last two items depend on enemy team but its usually one defensive item like thornmail or locket and then something with atk speed like wits end or maybe zephyr if I want tenacity.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
September 08 2013 00:15 GMT
#1018
On September 08 2013 08:57 Knighthawkbro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 08:54 Gahlo wrote:
http://gamingforgood.net/donate/27686136

SivHD has raised over a million for Athene's charity drive today.


Donated $150

Wow. That's like as much as all the groceries and shit I just bought.

Either very generous or rich and slightly generous :p
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
September 08 2013 00:18 GMT
#1019
On September 08 2013 09:15 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2013 08:57 Knighthawkbro wrote:
On September 08 2013 08:54 Gahlo wrote:
http://gamingforgood.net/donate/27686136

SivHD has raised over a million for Athene's charity drive today.


Donated $150

Wow. That's like as much as all the groceries and shit I just bought.

Either very generous or rich and slightly generous :p

Current multiplier is 4, so that's going to end up being at least $600.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
September 08 2013 00:22 GMT
#1020
I used to max Q first but I just go Q W E Q Q R then max E first. Its so much better once you hit 11
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
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