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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 25 2013 04:21 GMT
#5001
the description says all magic dmg lol
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 04:23:29
September 25 2013 04:22 GMT
#5002
On September 25 2013 13:19 zodde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 13:00 Ketara wrote:
The thing is Lissandras spells are all AoE and DFG only ups single target damage.

I should do some of my pidgeon math on this.


"Doom amplifies all magic damage that champion takes by 20% for 4 seconds. " No it doesn't.


I think he means it only helps vs 1 target? If your intention in the game is to do mass aoe instead of burst 1 person, DFG isn't that great. But blowing up 1 person is always good cause 5v4 is the best.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
September 25 2013 04:29 GMT
#5003
On September 25 2013 13:22 BlueBird. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 13:19 zodde wrote:
On September 25 2013 13:00 Ketara wrote:
The thing is Lissandras spells are all AoE and DFG only ups single target damage.

I should do some of my pidgeon math on this.


"Doom amplifies all magic damage that champion takes by 20% for 4 seconds. " No it doesn't.


I think he means it only helps vs 1 target? If your intention in the game is to do mass aoe instead of burst 1 person, DFG isn't that great. But blowing up 1 person is always good cause 5v4 is the best.


Oh yeah that makes sense. :3
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 25 2013 04:51 GMT
#5004
Okay, crappy Lissandra math:

+ Show Spoiler +

A couple items for Lissandra are going to be given.

1 - Zhonya. Obvious.
2 - Void Staff. Obvious.
3 - Abyssal. We want an MR item and it's either going to be Abyssal or Athenes. I'm going to assume Abyssal for this DFG test because if we get Athenes we don't want DFG (over CDR cap with blue)

So basically, we have two optional items. Here are the combos I want to look at:

Combo 1 - Liandry + Deathcap (593 AP)

Combo 2 - Liandry + DFG (435 AP)

Combo 3 - DFG + Deathcap (662 AP)

The combo we're going to use is W+R+Q+Q (1010+2.6), and I'm going to look at both single target and aoe damage since DFG screws with this. For Liandry I'll assume the target takes about 1 full Liandry damage tick (6%).

Combo 1
Single target damage: 6% HP + 2551
AoE damage: 6% HP + 2551

Combo 2
Single target damage: 21% HP + 2569
AoE damage: 6% HP + 2141

Combo 3
Single target damage: 15% HP + 3277.4
AoE damage: 2731

Some takeaways.

Combo 2 looks bad.

A target has to have 3000 HP for the 6% damage from combo 1's liandry on AoE targets to match the extra damage from combo 3's higher AP.

We can assume that the 15 mpen from Liandry is nice, but I'm willing to bet that Lissandra prefers the 10% CDR.

Conclusion:
Zhonya + Abyssal + Void + DFG + Deathcap looks best.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
September 25 2013 05:28 GMT
#5005
On September 25 2013 13:51 Ketara wrote:
Okay, crappy Lissandra math:

+ Show Spoiler +

A couple items for Lissandra are going to be given.

1 - Zhonya. Obvious.
2 - Void Staff. Obvious.
3 - Abyssal. We want an MR item and it's either going to be Abyssal or Athenes. I'm going to assume Abyssal for this DFG test because if we get Athenes we don't want DFG (over CDR cap with blue)

So basically, we have two optional items. Here are the combos I want to look at:

Combo 1 - Liandry + Deathcap (593 AP)

Combo 2 - Liandry + DFG (435 AP)

Combo 3 - DFG + Deathcap (662 AP)

The combo we're going to use is W+R+Q+Q (1010+2.6), and I'm going to look at both single target and aoe damage since DFG screws with this. For Liandry I'll assume the target takes about 1 full Liandry damage tick (6%).

Combo 1
Single target damage: 6% HP + 2551
AoE damage: 6% HP + 2551

Combo 2
Single target damage: 21% HP + 2569
AoE damage: 6% HP + 2141

Combo 3
Single target damage: 15% HP + 3277.4
AoE damage: 2731

Some takeaways.

Combo 2 looks bad.

A target has to have 3000 HP for the 6% damage from combo 1's liandry on AoE targets to match the extra damage from combo 3's higher AP.

We can assume that the 15 mpen from Liandry is nice, but I'm willing to bet that Lissandra prefers the 10% CDR.

Conclusion:
Zhonya + Abyssal + Void + DFG + Deathcap looks best.

Liandry's is doing significantly less damage than what it appears though, since you're most likely initiating with E and the damage won't start ticking until the first hit at which point you are already striking a < max hp total. DFG gets around this mostly by hitting for a larger percentage at a higher HP value.

Lissandra's E -> W -> R -> Q burst is going to come out so fast you're basically getting only 1 or 2 ticks of Liandry's before their hp is low enough for Liandry's burn to be negligible. The target has to have MUCH more than 3k hp to take more damage from the Liandry's.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
September 25 2013 05:35 GMT
#5006
Need one more win in promo series, and two games to do it, in order to get gold and the sweet sweet Elise skin.

First series game, got dumpstered on my best character (like 1-9 as Lee Sin), then won the second with a champ I had never played in ranked before (Jungle VI) and the third as top lane Elise (vs Aatrox, shit on him so hard).

I'm riding the high and feeling dangerously confident.


tl;dr challenger carry me plz
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 25 2013 05:39 GMT
#5007
On September 25 2013 14:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Need one more win in promo series, and two games to do it, in order to get gold and the sweet sweet Elise skin.

First series game, got dumpstered on my best character (like 1-9 as Lee Sin), then won the second with a champ I had never played in ranked before (Jungle VI) and the third as top lane Elise (vs Aatrox, shit on him so hard).

I'm riding the high and feeling dangerously confident.


tl;dr challenger carry me plz

Do it! Live the dream for those of us who can't.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 05:56:52
September 25 2013 05:43 GMT
#5008
On September 25 2013 14:28 Magus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 13:51 Ketara wrote:
Okay, crappy Lissandra math:

+ Show Spoiler +

A couple items for Lissandra are going to be given.

1 - Zhonya. Obvious.
2 - Void Staff. Obvious.
3 - Abyssal. We want an MR item and it's either going to be Abyssal or Athenes. I'm going to assume Abyssal for this DFG test because if we get Athenes we don't want DFG (over CDR cap with blue)

So basically, we have two optional items. Here are the combos I want to look at:

Combo 1 - Liandry + Deathcap (593 AP)

Combo 2 - Liandry + DFG (435 AP)

Combo 3 - DFG + Deathcap (662 AP)

The combo we're going to use is W+R+Q+Q (1010+2.6), and I'm going to look at both single target and aoe damage since DFG screws with this. For Liandry I'll assume the target takes about 1 full Liandry damage tick (6%).

Combo 1
Single target damage: 6% HP + 2551
AoE damage: 6% HP + 2551

Combo 2
Single target damage: 21% HP + 2569
AoE damage: 6% HP + 2141

Combo 3
Single target damage: 15% HP + 3277.4
AoE damage: 2731

Some takeaways.

Combo 2 looks bad.

A target has to have 3000 HP for the 6% damage from combo 1's liandry on AoE targets to match the extra damage from combo 3's higher AP.

We can assume that the 15 mpen from Liandry is nice, but I'm willing to bet that Lissandra prefers the 10% CDR.

Conclusion:
Zhonya + Abyssal + Void + DFG + Deathcap looks best.

Liandry's is doing significantly less damage than what it appears though, since you're most likely initiating with E and the damage won't start ticking until the first hit at which point you are already striking a < max hp total. DFG gets around this mostly by hitting for a larger percentage at a higher HP value.

Lissandra's E -> W -> R -> Q burst is going to come out so fast you're basically getting only 1 or 2 ticks of Liandry's before their hp is low enough for Liandry's burn to be negligible. The target has to have MUCH more than 3k hp to take more damage from the Liandry's.


The target is going to be slowed, so is going to take 12% current HP damage. I rounded this to around 6% HP damage.

It's impossible to properly calculate what damage Liandry is going to do, you have to guess.

Edit: Also, I calculated that with DFG giving 100 AP, not 120. Woops.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 25 2013 06:06 GMT
#5009
just solo que that last game do you even know the motto
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 25 2013 06:25 GMT
#5010
why did ruffles ban himself
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
September 25 2013 06:30 GMT
#5011
On September 25 2013 15:25 UniversalSnip wrote:
why did ruffles ban himself


He lost a bet in regards to the world championship I believe.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 25 2013 06:46 GMT
#5012
On September 25 2013 15:25 UniversalSnip wrote:
why did ruffles ban himself

He made a bet with Scip on the result of C9 vs Fnatic and lost.

Also note the change to his sig.
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 25 2013 06:47 GMT
#5013
Ruffles have Ridges
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
September 25 2013 06:48 GMT
#5014
His signature is going to become that much sweeter once he gets unbanned, unfortunately banned people can't change their sig :3
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 09:11:33
September 25 2013 08:45 GMT
#5015
What do you guys think about Triforce Draven ? Or at least Phage > BT > LW > TF ?
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
September 25 2013 09:37 GMT
#5016
Well considering his inherently spammy gameplay they seems a perfect match to me.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
September 25 2013 10:29 GMT
#5017
On September 25 2013 17:45 Lylat wrote:
What do you guys think about Triforce Draven ? Or at least Phage > BT > LW > TF ?

The same I think about anything. It needs to be nerfed.
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
September 25 2013 11:32 GMT
#5018
Lissandra R tooltip is confusing me, when you cast it on someone does he take the single target damage AND the following aoe damage or only the single target damage?

(aka, does the target take double damage or is the only difference between casting it on someone and yourself is the stun/zhonya effect ?)
Romanes eunt domus
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 25 2013 12:07 GMT
#5019
On September 25 2013 20:32 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Lissandra R tooltip is confusing me, when you cast it on someone does he take the single target damage AND the following aoe damage or only the single target damage?

(aka, does the target take double damage or is the only difference between casting it on someone and yourself is the stun/zhonya effect ?)

Only 1 damage.There was a bug that made you take both if you qss the stun.
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
September 25 2013 12:22 GMT
#5020
On September 25 2013 04:27 upperbound wrote:
Sure, it's sometimes unfair when you get a group of like Italy, Netherlands, U.S., some African team where 3/4 teams probably deserve to move out of groups but only two will, but people rarely seem to have problems with "groups of death" in world cup formats, which are only every 4 years after all.


'Murica. Many African countries are better at soccer than U.S., get off your cloud
I got five reasons for you to shut up
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