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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On September 25 2013 13:19 zodde wrote: "Doom amplifies all magic damage that champion takes by 20% for 4 seconds. " No it doesn't. I think he means it only helps vs 1 target? If your intention in the game is to do mass aoe instead of burst 1 person, DFG isn't that great. But blowing up 1 person is always good cause 5v4 is the best. | ||
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On September 25 2013 13:22 BlueBird. wrote: I think he means it only helps vs 1 target? If your intention in the game is to do mass aoe instead of burst 1 person, DFG isn't that great. But blowing up 1 person is always good cause 5v4 is the best. Oh yeah that makes sense. :3 | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + A couple items for Lissandra are going to be given. 1 - Zhonya. Obvious. 2 - Void Staff. Obvious. 3 - Abyssal. We want an MR item and it's either going to be Abyssal or Athenes. I'm going to assume Abyssal for this DFG test because if we get Athenes we don't want DFG (over CDR cap with blue) So basically, we have two optional items. Here are the combos I want to look at: Combo 1 - Liandry + Deathcap (593 AP) Combo 2 - Liandry + DFG (435 AP) Combo 3 - DFG + Deathcap (662 AP) The combo we're going to use is W+R+Q+Q (1010+2.6), and I'm going to look at both single target and aoe damage since DFG screws with this. For Liandry I'll assume the target takes about 1 full Liandry damage tick (6%). Combo 1 Single target damage: 6% HP + 2551 AoE damage: 6% HP + 2551 Combo 2 Single target damage: 21% HP + 2569 AoE damage: 6% HP + 2141 Combo 3 Single target damage: 15% HP + 3277.4 AoE damage: 2731 Some takeaways. Combo 2 looks bad. A target has to have 3000 HP for the 6% damage from combo 1's liandry on AoE targets to match the extra damage from combo 3's higher AP. We can assume that the 15 mpen from Liandry is nice, but I'm willing to bet that Lissandra prefers the 10% CDR. Conclusion: Zhonya + Abyssal + Void + DFG + Deathcap looks best. | ||
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Magus
Canada450 Posts
On September 25 2013 13:51 Ketara wrote: Okay, crappy Lissandra math: + Show Spoiler + A couple items for Lissandra are going to be given. 1 - Zhonya. Obvious. 2 - Void Staff. Obvious. 3 - Abyssal. We want an MR item and it's either going to be Abyssal or Athenes. I'm going to assume Abyssal for this DFG test because if we get Athenes we don't want DFG (over CDR cap with blue) So basically, we have two optional items. Here are the combos I want to look at: Combo 1 - Liandry + Deathcap (593 AP) Combo 2 - Liandry + DFG (435 AP) Combo 3 - DFG + Deathcap (662 AP) The combo we're going to use is W+R+Q+Q (1010+2.6), and I'm going to look at both single target and aoe damage since DFG screws with this. For Liandry I'll assume the target takes about 1 full Liandry damage tick (6%). Combo 1 Single target damage: 6% HP + 2551 AoE damage: 6% HP + 2551 Combo 2 Single target damage: 21% HP + 2569 AoE damage: 6% HP + 2141 Combo 3 Single target damage: 15% HP + 3277.4 AoE damage: 2731 Some takeaways. Combo 2 looks bad. A target has to have 3000 HP for the 6% damage from combo 1's liandry on AoE targets to match the extra damage from combo 3's higher AP. We can assume that the 15 mpen from Liandry is nice, but I'm willing to bet that Lissandra prefers the 10% CDR. Conclusion: Zhonya + Abyssal + Void + DFG + Deathcap looks best. Liandry's is doing significantly less damage than what it appears though, since you're most likely initiating with E and the damage won't start ticking until the first hit at which point you are already striking a < max hp total. DFG gets around this mostly by hitting for a larger percentage at a higher HP value. Lissandra's E -> W -> R -> Q burst is going to come out so fast you're basically getting only 1 or 2 ticks of Liandry's before their hp is low enough for Liandry's burn to be negligible. The target has to have MUCH more than 3k hp to take more damage from the Liandry's. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
First series game, got dumpstered on my best character (like 1-9 as Lee Sin), then won the second with a champ I had never played in ranked before (Jungle VI) and the third as top lane Elise (vs Aatrox, shit on him so hard). I'm riding the high and feeling dangerously confident. tl;dr challenger carry me plz | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On September 25 2013 14:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Need one more win in promo series, and two games to do it, in order to get gold and the sweet sweet Elise skin. First series game, got dumpstered on my best character (like 1-9 as Lee Sin), then won the second with a champ I had never played in ranked before (Jungle VI) and the third as top lane Elise (vs Aatrox, shit on him so hard). I'm riding the high and feeling dangerously confident. tl;dr challenger carry me plz Do it! Live the dream for those of us who can't. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On September 25 2013 14:28 Magus wrote: Liandry's is doing significantly less damage than what it appears though, since you're most likely initiating with E and the damage won't start ticking until the first hit at which point you are already striking a < max hp total. DFG gets around this mostly by hitting for a larger percentage at a higher HP value. Lissandra's E -> W -> R -> Q burst is going to come out so fast you're basically getting only 1 or 2 ticks of Liandry's before their hp is low enough for Liandry's burn to be negligible. The target has to have MUCH more than 3k hp to take more damage from the Liandry's. The target is going to be slowed, so is going to take 12% current HP damage. I rounded this to around 6% HP damage. It's impossible to properly calculate what damage Liandry is going to do, you have to guess. Edit: Also, I calculated that with DFG giving 100 AP, not 120. Woops. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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ketchup
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On September 25 2013 15:25 UniversalSnip wrote: why did ruffles ban himself He lost a bet in regards to the world championship I believe. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 25 2013 15:25 UniversalSnip wrote: why did ruffles ban himself He made a bet with Scip on the result of C9 vs Fnatic and lost. Also note the change to his sig. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On September 25 2013 17:45 Lylat wrote: What do you guys think about Triforce Draven ? Or at least Phage > BT > LW > TF ? The same I think about anything. It needs to be nerfed. | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
(aka, does the target take double damage or is the only difference between casting it on someone and yourself is the stun/zhonya effect ?) | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On September 25 2013 20:32 BobMcJohnson wrote: Lissandra R tooltip is confusing me, when you cast it on someone does he take the single target damage AND the following aoe damage or only the single target damage? (aka, does the target take double damage or is the only difference between casting it on someone and yourself is the stun/zhonya effect ?) Only 1 damage.There was a bug that made you take both if you qss the stun. | ||
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
On September 25 2013 04:27 upperbound wrote: Sure, it's sometimes unfair when you get a group of like Italy, Netherlands, U.S., some African team where 3/4 teams probably deserve to move out of groups but only two will, but people rarely seem to have problems with "groups of death" in world cup formats, which are only every 4 years after all. 'Murica. Many African countries are better at soccer than U.S., get off your cloud | ||
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