EPTAlso somebody in soloQ pointed out to me how messed up it is that the black guy's nemesis is "the chain warden". Riot pls.
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InfSunday
United States735 Posts
Also somebody in soloQ pointed out to me how messed up it is that the black guy's nemesis is "the chain warden". Riot pls. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
As a plus it gives me an excuse to play soraka and just bully the shit out of people. Playing with/against my fellow baddies has its perks. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
On the other hand, Lucian makes me question my sexuality because it's nigh impossible to trade vs him during laning phase when his passive makes grown men cry. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
I mean its fun as hell. i want a custom map that is lucian vs lucian where the only moves are their ults and dashes. and theiir ults last forever and you can turn them off and re-aim them on a cd and your dash is on a .5s cd. would play. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
The problem I've been seeing is that Lucian falls off like a rock unless the enemy team is devoid of tanky champions. His ult bounces off tanks, and generally isn't all that useful except when you're chasing someone down or running for your life. You're also going to have trouble hitting anything that isn't a tank with W. Mid game and onward, he's basically Caitlyn with less range and no traps. But it has been a single weekend. There may be subtleties to his later game play I haven't yet witnessed. That said, thus far every Lucian I've seen (including myself) crushes the laning phase and is then pretty useless thereafter if the rest of his team isn't also ahead. | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
On August 27 2013 08:54 Ketara wrote: So, after actually seeing Lucian in play a few times, he seems stupid overpowered to me. His ult and his Q both do too much damage and it's ridiculous for him to have a dash that's as good as his dash is with all the offensive capability he has. Is this everybody elses conclusion? I do think his dash is too good and his q is probably fine maybe a small nerf at like level 2 and 3 | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 27 2013 09:32 Seuss wrote: Lucian's laning phase is very strong. He's got very good trading potential as Auto-> Any Ability (Q usually) -> 2xAuto is a lot of damage, and in a laning situation it's a lot harder to side step his ult (as it's very likely to make you vulnerable to getting caught by the enemy jungler/support). The problem I've been seeing is that Lucian falls off like a rock unless the enemy team is devoid of tanky champions. His ult bounces off tanks, and generally isn't all that useful except when you're chasing someone down or running for your life. You're also going to have trouble hitting anything that isn't a tank with W. Mid game and onward, he's basically Caitlyn with less range and no traps. But it has been a single weekend. There may be subtleties to his later game play I haven't yet witnessed. That said, thus far every Lucian I've seen (including myself) crushes the laning phase and is then pretty useless thereafter if the rest of his team isn't also ahead. I think if you are playing lucian you should be aiming to have the enemy missing any outer towers by the point where lucian starts to drop off. | ||
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Kyhron
United States945 Posts
On August 27 2013 09:32 Seuss wrote: Lucian's laning phase is very strong. He's got very good trading potential as Auto-> Any Ability (Q usually) -> 2xAuto is a lot of damage, and in a laning situation it's a lot harder to side step his ult (as it's very likely to make you vulnerable to getting caught by the enemy jungler/support). The problem I've been seeing is that Lucian falls off like a rock unless the enemy team is devoid of tanky champions. His ult bounces off tanks, and generally isn't all that useful except when you're chasing someone down or running for your life. You're also going to have trouble hitting anything that isn't a tank with W. Mid game and onward, he's basically Caitlyn with less range and no traps. But it has been a single weekend. There may be subtleties to his later game play I haven't yet witnessed. That said, thus far every Lucian I've seen (including myself) crushes the laning phase and is then pretty useless thereafter if the rest of his team isn't also ahead. Ive been having the opposite happen to me and my friends we do ok in lane then crush after, but weve also been going a more traditional ADC route of ie/bt->pd/shiv->ie/bt depending on which we didnt get first. BotRK feels like a trap on him since his second shot can crit and crit feels like a more comfortable stat on him. Then his ult i usually keep until the fight breaks down and people are breaking off mostly dead as thats when you get the most chase potential out of it with resets. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 27 2013 09:47 PrinceXizor wrote: I think if you are playing lucian you should be aiming to have the enemy missing any outer towers by the point where lucian starts to drop off. Then the question is, why play Lucian over something like Cait? Where Cait can get to that point of forcing early towers down extremely effectively, and seems to have less of a lategame downfall. On August 27 2013 09:51 Kyhron wrote: Ive been having the opposite happen to me and my friends we do ok in lane then crush after, but weve also been going a more traditional ADC route of ie/bt->pd/shiv->ie/bt depending on which we didnt get first. BotRK feels like a trap on him since his second shot can crit and crit feels like a more comfortable stat on him. Then his ult i usually keep until the fight breaks down and people are breaking off mostly dead as thats when you get the most chase potential out of it with resets. This is what I've been thinking. Could try some Jayce esque builds on him, due to his passive. From what I've seen of Lucian though, he's just underwhelming overall. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 27 2013 09:52 wei2coolman wrote: Then the question is, why play Lucian over something like Cait? Where Cait can get to that point of forcing early towers down extremely effectively, and seems to have less of a lategame downfall. Lucians stronger in team fights early on, so you could use him to get all the outer towers + dragons/baron for the first 25 minutes of the game. If you are running a team like korea has done in the past where you are carried on the back of your top or mid, then it makes sense to pick lucian over caitlyn who is significantly weaker in those early fights than lucian is. also she doesn't kill the towers quicker, just easier. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 27 2013 10:04 PrinceXizor wrote: Lucians stronger in team fights early on, so you could use him to get all the outer towers + dragons/baron for the first 25 minutes of the game. If you are running a team like korea has done in the past where you are carried on the back of your top or mid, then it makes sense to pick lucian over caitlyn who is significantly weaker in those early fights than lucian is. also she doesn't kill the towers quicker, just easier. This does appear to be the case. I also feel like Lucian has a higher inherent...'outplayability?' I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing him a whole lot after Worlds in other regions. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 27 2013 10:04 PrinceXizor wrote: Lucians stronger in team fights early on, so you could use him to get all the outer towers + dragons/baron for the first 25 minutes of the game. If you are running a team like korea has done in the past where you are carried on the back of your top or mid, then it makes sense to pick lucian over caitlyn who is significantly weaker in those early fights than lucian is. also she doesn't kill the towers quicker, just easier. Early towers are all about the easier it is to grab, the faster it goes down. So Cait does indeed grab turrets earlier. That's why fiddle+cait is one of the fastest lanes. I'm not particulary convinced his teamfight is that deadly either, his range makes him pretty vulnerable. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 27 2013 10:14 Alaric wrote: Wouldn't Lucian's Q let him shred squishies if they position poorly wrt their front line in teamfights too? That's a heck of a lot of damage he has there, so as long as he's got somebody aligned to anchor it from afar... the range on Q is prohibitive vs. a lot of popular tanks but in theory yes. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On August 27 2013 09:03 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Idk, it's pretty common for new champs to wreck everything when they first come out because people have no idea how to play against them. I'd hold the nerfs back for a week or two if I was Riot. Then again, I'm also an advocate for more Blizzard-Style patching from Riot, so maybe I'm just biased And then you have a champion like thresh who is still too powerful. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 27 2013 10:14 Alaric wrote: Wouldn't Lucian's Q let him shred squishies if they position poorly wrt their front line in teamfights too? That's a heck of a lot of damage he has there, so as long as he's got somebody aligned to anchor it from afar... That's like saying "if their carries throw by being in front line or in weird line of sight, lucian is pretty good". On August 27 2013 10:17 SnK-Arcbound wrote: And then you have a champion like thresh who is still too powerful. Riot held back on major patches on Kha6, Zed and Jayce for a long time, and guess what happened? + Show Spoiler + they were stupidly op'd still. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 27 2013 10:17 SnK-Arcbound wrote: And then you have a champion like thresh who is still too powerful. I think thresh is where he should be, but more supports need to be there. | ||
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