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[PSA]: Challenging the status quo...
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
August 26 2013 17:47 GMT
#1301
Does anyone know if it'd be easier to have the finals in Korea next year? I remember a few months ago hearing the Koreans say they wanted S4 finals and I would assume that since eSports is actually tied into the government it'd be super easy for teams to get to go. Also when you consider about half the teams going are already in Asia...
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3241 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 17:51:23
August 26 2013 17:51 GMT
#1302
On August 27 2013 02:40 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 01:42 SimulatedAnneal wrote:
On August 27 2013 00:43 TheYango wrote:
On August 27 2013 00:34 thenexusp wrote:
On August 27 2013 00:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 26 2013 17:17 niukasu1990 wrote:
It seems that both OMG and PE fail to get a visa to LA....
GG Chinese LoL

Seriously, why is it so hard to get visas?

Because international law is hard.

I believe they said something like "You aren't sure these are the two teams that need to go to the USA, come back when you know for sure which two teams need visas", but the problem is LPL finals are too close to worlds for comfort, as visas can have a long turnaround time.

TBH I'm not sure whey every regional finals has to be so damn close to Worlds.

I can't see a particular reason why Worlds couldn't have been a couple weeks later than it is.

The Chinese Regional Final is on the 7th and 8th. There's only a week between it and Worlds, which is absurd.


USC volleyball starts in September, Kings season starts in October, Lakers/Clippers preseason starts in October. The date is almost certainly the result of trying to find consecutive weekends where Galen center and Staples were available. The alternative is to go with smaller or outdoor venues, neither of which is that great of an option.

You say this like leaving foreign teams with 1-2 weeks to make travel arrangements after Worlds participants were decided in their respective regions wasn't a disaster waiting to happen from the very start.

Seems like Riot is an hard learner. Remember the problems got into to get Russian visas for EU LCS or Gambit to go to Spain was it?
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 26 2013 17:58 GMT
#1303
On August 27 2013 02:42 LaNague wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 02:32 misirlou wrote:
On August 27 2013 02:28 Ketara wrote:
Yes, being able to get a P-1 visa applies to Edward too, as well as the Chinese teams.


But there is a difference between them. Edward is staying in NA for a job (sports job) while the Chinese teams are coming for one week competition and leaving. USA government can account for what Edward is doing because he has a job there and is registered blablabla red tape. The chinese can dodge the return home and stay in the country illegally more easily than Edward can (because he is legal for a good amount of time).

Edit: Im not saying they aren't able to apply for the P-1, I'm just saying it's harder to accept them (because temporary + Chinese)




you are missing the whole point of the athlete visa.
it is especially there so that athletes can compete in a tournament without being employed permanently.

Usually this is for stuff that they know is coming months in advance though

The US is so fucking slow with everything government-related
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
August 26 2013 18:04 GMT
#1304
On August 27 2013 02:58 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 02:42 LaNague wrote:
On August 27 2013 02:32 misirlou wrote:
On August 27 2013 02:28 Ketara wrote:
Yes, being able to get a P-1 visa applies to Edward too, as well as the Chinese teams.


But there is a difference between them. Edward is staying in NA for a job (sports job) while the Chinese teams are coming for one week competition and leaving. USA government can account for what Edward is doing because he has a job there and is registered blablabla red tape. The chinese can dodge the return home and stay in the country illegally more easily than Edward can (because he is legal for a good amount of time).

Edit: Im not saying they aren't able to apply for the P-1, I'm just saying it's harder to accept them (because temporary + Chinese)




you are missing the whole point of the athlete visa.
it is especially there so that athletes can compete in a tournament without being employed permanently.

Usually this is for stuff that they know is coming months in advance though

The US is so fucking slow with everything government-related

Maybe Riot forgot to take into consideration how awful the government is since they work primarily in tech and with other tech companies.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 18:13:16
August 26 2013 18:10 GMT
#1305
For anyone who has had to get a Visa as a non-US citizen, it's probably one of the more difficult countries to get one from, unless you're from another major developed nation (aka Canada/Most of Europe). It's an absolute nightmare if you're from China, India, or any other country.

Because illegal immigration (which to be fair, is a perfectly legitimate concern in the context of it; the predominant source of illegal immigrants consist of travelers/students/etc. overstaying Visas). But I'm not letting myself go down that rabbit hole. I'll lambast the US immigration system for hours if I do <_<.

tl;dr, yeah, US Visas are a bitch, mostly due to all the added precautions they take to prevent people from overstaying (interviews, income requirements, other bullshit, etc.).

Which is why back during All-Stars when that Penny Arcade guy couldn't get his Chinese visa together, I was chuckling like mad. Getting a Chinese Visa is many times easier (and most difficulties can be attributed to reciprocity to US raising its standards).
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 26 2013 18:13 GMT
#1306
For whatever reason I can't seem to copy paste from the visa site I googled. But it says that such visas can take several months with premium processing available(no idea what that means). You can also meet the requirements without having qualified for worlds.

But yeah, hosting it in Korea would definitely be a lot easier. US is a nightmare as far as security/visas goes, especially for countries with a high rate of illegally continuing to stay in the US.
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Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 18:19:26
August 26 2013 18:17 GMT
#1307
anyone with higher MMR than gold I wanna duo with my toplane rengar (10-2 atm in ranked)?
I can fill but freelo rengar train here. im getting 0 lp a game now :/
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 18:25:15
August 26 2013 18:20 GMT
#1308
On August 27 2013 03:13 Amui wrote:
For whatever reason I can't seem to copy paste from the visa site I googled. But it says that such visas can take several months with premium processing available(no idea what that means). You can also meet the requirements without having qualified for worlds.

The thing is, we didn't even know the Worlds date until a month and a half ago, so even if they applied then, scheduling would be pretty tight.

And neither of these teams have qualified for Worlds anyway--the Chinese Worlds qualifier hasn't even been played yet. It's just that OMG's standing right now is more or less where C9 is for NA, i.e. something extraordinarily tragic (this, for example) has to happen for them to not be one of the two teams going to Worlds.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 18:34:34
August 26 2013 18:30 GMT
#1309
On August 27 2013 00:43 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 00:34 thenexusp wrote:
On August 27 2013 00:30 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 26 2013 17:17 niukasu1990 wrote:
It seems that both OMG and PE fail to get a visa to LA....
GG Chinese LoL

Seriously, why is it so hard to get visas?

Because international law is hard.

I believe they said something like "You aren't sure these are the two teams that need to go to the USA, come back when you know for sure which two teams need visas", but the problem is LPL finals are too close to worlds for comfort, as visas can have a long turnaround time.

TBH I'm not sure whey every regional finals has to be so damn close to Worlds.

I can't see a particular reason why Worlds couldn't have been a couple weeks later than it is.

The Chinese Regional Final is on the 7th and 8th. There's only a week between it and Worlds, which is absurd.


Don't forget that finals is taking place at the staples center. Had to be a time slot with no NBA or NHL games, no concerts, no car shows, no beer fests, etc
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
SHr3DD3r
Profile Joined March 2009
Pakistan2137 Posts
August 26 2013 18:43 GMT
#1310
On August 27 2013 03:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:
For anyone who has had to get a Visa as a non-US citizen, it's probably one of the more difficult countries to get one from, unless you're from another major developed nation (aka Canada/Most of Europe). It's an absolute nightmare if you're from China, India, or any other country.

Because illegal immigration (which to be fair, is a perfectly legitimate concern in the context of it; the predominant source of illegal immigrants consist of travelers/students/etc. overstaying Visas). But I'm not letting myself go down that rabbit hole. I'll lambast the US immigration system for hours if I do <_<.

tl;dr, yeah, US Visas are a bitch, mostly due to all the added precautions they take to prevent people from overstaying (interviews, income requirements, other bullshit, etc.).

Which is why back during All-Stars when that Penny Arcade guy couldn't get his Chinese visa together, I was chuckling like mad. Getting a Chinese Visa is many times easier (and most difficulties can be attributed to reciprocity to US raising its standards).

I have never had a problem with US Visa, and I always get mine within 2-4 weeks. But then again, they look at your travel history thoroughly, especially if you have been to the US or China for that matter (they asked the most retarded questions regarding China once lol).
But if you are applying for a US Visa for the first time and you don't have family in the US, it does generally take longer.

This is coming from a Pakistani Muslim Male. I get interviewed each time I set foot on US soil.
Hit them hard! Hit them low! - Forever a Bisu Fan!~!
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 18:47:17
August 26 2013 18:45 GMT
#1311
On August 27 2013 00:47 XenOmega wrote:
I recently started looking at the runes of pros (hoping that this would help me a little bit in my own ranked games)

For AP
1- I've switched to Armor for my yellow runes on AP. I guess the logic behind this is you are expected to face more assassins/bruisers mid, and because of Auto-attack right?
2- Blue is where I am not sure... I'm seeing mainly Magic resist (Flat), CDR, Flat ability power, or magic pen runes. It probably depends on the match up. But for someone who doesn't main mid, what would be the best choice? I'm thinking Flat magic resist.
Can Mpen be good? Or too cost-inefficient?

On Orianna : Many pros prefer to use Hybrid. I guess this is to make use of her passive early on in the game. Since the hybrid as a big investment, are they are used for another champion? Is Orianna worth mastering (As in, should I play her alot, or are there other champions that can help me and that are easier?)

1 - Yeah, pretty much. Any champion with ranged autos can and should be using them to harass, which makes armor really nice on yellows (also, any time the jungler ganks you, and the what-if of having to lane vs. an AD assassin like Zed or Talon or something, or even a mixed (early game) damage champ like Nid or Kennen.

2 - Magic resist or some kind of AP are the most versatile here for an AP mid. AP is particularly good for champs that you need some amount of early game AP to go from "i can nearly clear the wave then autoattack a bunch of times" to "i can instantly clear the wave" MPen doesn't really do this, it's only good if you're specializing in someone with really good base damage numbers and poor scaling like Elise.

3 - You lose about 2 MPen to gain about 8 Armor Pen, which is really good if you get physical damage from like... ANYTHING. If you can't decide for sure, the best way to consider this is to look at your physical/magical damage done to champions at the end of the game (especially games that end really early) Hybrid pen runes will result in more damage if at least 20% of your damage is physical (and conversely, if at least ... 40% i think? of your damage is magical), which could even apply to champions like Annie, Ahri or Lissandra, who don't actually have auto attack buffs or physical skills, simply right clicks with smooth animations and good ranges.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 19:03:25
August 26 2013 18:58 GMT
#1312
On August 27 2013 03:45 sylverfyre wrote:
3 - You lose about 2 MPen to gain about 8 Armor Pen, which is really good if you get physical damage from like... ANYTHING. If you can't decide for sure, the best way to consider this is to look at your physical/magical damage done to champions at the end of the game (especially games that end really early) Hybrid pen runes will result in more damage if at least 20% of your damage is physical (and conversely, if at least ... 40% i think? of your damage is magical), which could even apply to champions like Annie, Ahri or Lissandra, who don't actually have auto attack buffs or physical skills, simply right clicks with smooth animations and good ranges.

That's a nice rule of thumb -- I wish there were more build decisions that could be simplified like this

e.g. whether to take both 8%pen masteries on hybrid champs -- it's hard to quantify the damage gained from the stats per level or other masteries
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
August 26 2013 19:28 GMT
#1313
Soooo, is there a new bug crashing games or is EUW still buggy as hell ? I was in a ranked game and suddenly "disconnecting...." I wait one minute then alt+f4 and there I'm back on the client like nothing happened and I can queue again !
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 26 2013 19:28 GMT
#1314
--- Nuked ---
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35159 Posts
August 26 2013 19:38 GMT
#1315
Edward in the situation slipped my mind, as he's the only nonNA person that is in the LCS(sans Nyjacky, who moved a loooong time ago)
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
August 26 2013 19:40 GMT
#1316
On August 27 2013 03:58 Flakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 03:45 sylverfyre wrote:
3 - You lose about 2 MPen to gain about 8 Armor Pen, which is really good if you get physical damage from like... ANYTHING. If you can't decide for sure, the best way to consider this is to look at your physical/magical damage done to champions at the end of the game (especially games that end really early) Hybrid pen runes will result in more damage if at least 20% of your damage is physical (and conversely, if at least ... 40% i think? of your damage is magical), which could even apply to champions like Annie, Ahri or Lissandra, who don't actually have auto attack buffs or physical skills, simply right clicks with smooth animations and good ranges.

That's a nice rule of thumb -- I wish there were more build decisions that could be simplified like this

e.g. whether to take both 8%pen masteries on hybrid champs -- it's hard to quantify the damage gained from the stats per level or other masteries

Since there isn't such a weird split for those %Pen masteries, it's a little (lot) different. Masteries and runes tend to have the biggest impact early, so scaling masteries are of questionable value. I'd rather go with something like one pen (whichever is better for you) Havoc (since it obviously helps both phys and magic damage) and Flat AD/Flat AP/Spellsword, a point or two of Flat ArPen instead of %AP, and executioner.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 26 2013 20:42 GMT
#1317
On August 27 2013 03:20 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 03:13 Amui wrote:
For whatever reason I can't seem to copy paste from the visa site I googled. But it says that such visas can take several months with premium processing available(no idea what that means). You can also meet the requirements without having qualified for worlds.

The thing is, we didn't even know the Worlds date until a month and a half ago, so even if they applied then, scheduling would be pretty tight.

And neither of these teams have qualified for Worlds anyway--the Chinese Worlds qualifier hasn't even been played yet. It's just that OMG's standing right now is more or less where C9 is for NA, i.e. something extraordinarily tragic (this, for example) has to happen for them to not be one of the two teams going to Worlds.

It was so apparently obvious that Riot was going to do a S3 World Championship, dunno why they released all the info so fucking late. Every other sport has this shit planned years in advanced. Having a 6 month prep-period for all the teams would have been nice.
liftlift > tsm
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 20:57:44
August 26 2013 20:56 GMT
#1318
On August 27 2013 04:38 Gahlo wrote:
Edward in the situation slipped my mind, as he's the only nonNA person that is in the LCS(sans Nyjacky, who moved a loooong time ago)


Bloodwater?

Unless Bulgaria is now considered NA, I'm not up to date with what countries the US has been invading lately.

On August 27 2013 05:42 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 03:20 TheYango wrote:
On August 27 2013 03:13 Amui wrote:
For whatever reason I can't seem to copy paste from the visa site I googled. But it says that such visas can take several months with premium processing available(no idea what that means). You can also meet the requirements without having qualified for worlds.

The thing is, we didn't even know the Worlds date until a month and a half ago, so even if they applied then, scheduling would be pretty tight.

And neither of these teams have qualified for Worlds anyway--the Chinese Worlds qualifier hasn't even been played yet. It's just that OMG's standing right now is more or less where C9 is for NA, i.e. something extraordinarily tragic (this, for example) has to happen for them to not be one of the two teams going to Worlds.

It was so apparently obvious that Riot was going to do a S3 World Championship, dunno why they released all the info so fucking late. Every other sport has this shit planned years in advanced. Having a 6 month prep-period for all the teams would have been nice.


Actually most sports only plan their big championships a year ahead of time. After the championships are done they set about planning the next year's one. Least that's how it is in American football, and being a US citizen, football is all I care about.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35159 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-26 21:05:11
August 26 2013 21:02 GMT
#1319
On August 27 2013 05:56 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 04:38 Gahlo wrote:
Edward in the situation slipped my mind, as he's the only nonNA person that is in the LCS(sans Nyjacky, who moved a loooong time ago)


Bloodwater?

Unless Bulgaria is now considered NA, I'm not up to date with what countries the US has been invading lately..

Had no idea he was Bulgarian, nor can I tell if he moved here before playing League.

Can we keep the stupid US bashing over in TL General? I don't want to be pointlessly pedantic here to make a point. I've had 2 hours of sleep in the last 2 days, I'm both forgetful and irritable at the moment.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
August 26 2013 21:05 GMT
#1320
muricans r dum
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