EPT[Patch 3.10a: Worlds Balance] General Discussion - Page 124
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Pooshlmer
United States1001 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
it's all situational obviously but I personally feel like it's only really good if it can cut down on pot purchases, which it clearly isn't doing for gtr. | ||
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Aldrovandi
United States211 Posts
On September 01 2013 03:27 gtrsrs wrote: what is the "correct" amount of consumables to buy in a solo lane? i'm finally starting to get decent at a couple mid champs but i think i'm relying on consumables too much as a crutch. i generally start 3pots+flask and on every back i buy 2 more pots. i think i probably spend nearly 1.5k each game between flask, pots, red/bluepots, and wards. should i be investing that into real items? should i just always buy more (or less) consumables than my lane opponent? is it champ specific? I think it's a matter of how much the champ you're playing values experience (and time in lane) over gold. If you're spending 150 gold every time you back as Nasus to ensure you stay in lane for another minute farming q stacks and getting levels, then I think it's worth it. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11458 Posts
On September 01 2013 03:42 Slusher wrote: yea but if you still have to buy 2 health pots with it every base it's cost/benefit plummets drastically. you could have saved the money + 2 minions and gotten like a dring for more mana regen than the flask in addition to the other benefits of dring. it's all situational obviously but I personally feel like it's only really good if it can cut down on pot purchases, which it clearly isn't doing for gtr. This doesn't make any sense mathematically. As long as you spend all the charges and would have otherwise used a pot to do so, the flask is worth exactly the same amount, no matter how many additional pots you buy. The only thing that makes the flask worth less is if you don't spend all the charges (or wouldn't have used a pot and it wouldn't have cost you anything. In gtrs case, he would probably buy 2 additional pots each back if he wouldn't have that flask, or somehow miss having that life/mana in lane. In my opinion, potions are always worth it if you use them, assuming you don't waste them in situations where you gain no benefit from it. It's 150hp for 35 g. That is basically an additional ruby crystal.you can use 15 pots for the price of one ruby, so as long as you make use of that hp it is always worth it. The main point is to not waste them, but use them when it makes sense. If you will go back soon, a pot is wasted. If you are not doing any trading, the pot is also wasted. If you got health regen from something else, same. If you buy a few more pots and don't use them, they don't vanish, so that's not a problem either. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Some generic potion advice though is: Use potions early and often. A potion that you never use is wasted gold, and a potion that only ticks for 10 HP because you started using it right before you die is also wasted gold. However, never use potions right before going back to base. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Something I've noticed since the S3 announcements is that there's a lot more smurfs in lower elo. People from other regions make an account in NA and then try to get to gold or something. | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
On September 01 2013 03:27 gtrsrs wrote: what is the "correct" amount of consumables to buy in a solo lane? i'm finally starting to get decent at a couple mid champs but i think i'm relying on consumables too much as a crutch. i generally start 3pots+flask and on every back i buy 2 more pots. i think i probably spend nearly 1.5k each game between flask, pots, red/bluepots, and wards. should i be investing that into real items? should i just always buy more (or less) consumables than my lane opponent? is it champ specific? as people have mentioned before it depends on a lot of factors. Your champ, opponents champ, how does the matchup go, are you good in said matchup?, enemy jungler, but most of all is your confidence and playstyle imo. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 01 2013 03:49 Simberto wrote: This doesn't make any sense mathematically. As long as you spend all the charges and would have otherwise used a pot to do so, the flask is worth exactly the same amount, no matter how many additional pots you buy. The only thing that makes the flask worth less is if you don't spend all the charges (or wouldn't have used a pot and it wouldn't have cost you anything. In gtrs case, he would probably buy 2 additional pots each back if he wouldn't have that flask, or somehow miss having that life/mana in lane. In my opinion, potions are always worth it if you use them, assuming you don't waste them in situations where you gain no benefit from it. It's 150hp for 35 g. That is basically an additional ruby crystal.you can use 15 pots for the price of one ruby, so as long as you make use of that hp it is always worth it. The main point is to not waste them, but use them when it makes sense. If you will go back soon, a pot is wasted. If you are not doing any trading, the pot is also wasted. If you got health regen from something else, same. If you buy a few more pots and don't use them, they don't vanish, so that's not a problem either. well mathematically I'm obviously wrong, but my opinion on the matter is simply if I need the strength of actual red pots to survive the flask just isn't doing me any favors and vice versa. Eventually you do have to buy items other than pots to be useful, for me the question with flask is, am I doing well enough, is this match up safe enough were I can drop ~350g now to save ~350g later, if I'm still buying pots it's not saving me money. It is all situational obviously so I don't really even like defending myself here because I don't always feel this way, but the times I usually buy flask is when I feel like it can circumvent pots, mind you this is not for openings as flask + pots level 1 is a strong open at times. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
i usually aggressively CS even when it endangers me and so i mass pots to stay healthy. i'm also not afraid to walk up and smack my lane opponent even in his creep wave because it's all about sending a message early so they fear you later i guess the answer is just if i'm taking more than 150hp damage per ~2cs i'm getting then i'm "wasting" gold on pots and should just play back a little bit. BUT THE TASTY CS DOE | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
I think things are very circumstancial, but earlier in S3 people would mass pots and apparently that was OP enough that Riot had to nerf it? So mass pots ok? On September 01 2013 04:05 gtrsrs wrote: the champs i play are all melee assassins mid (kassadin, diana, kha'zix) i usually aggressively CS even when it endangers me and so i mass pots to stay healthy. i'm also not afraid to walk up and smack my lane opponent even in his creep wave because it's all about sending a message early so they fear you later i guess the answer is just if i'm taking more than 150hp damage per ~2cs i'm getting then i'm "wasting" gold on pots and should just play back a little bit. BUT THE TASTY CS DOE 2 cs and a little bit of experience. If you get behind in the experience war in top then your opponent can start denying you creeps and roaming once the wave pushes. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
@Obese it's completely different as an open, because basing first is so detrimental in most match ups. Also zone off creep and zoned off exp are completely different ballparks, unless you are Caitlyn. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Been playing a bunch of Swain since the lags ceased, I really like opening Flask on him. I'm not too big a fan of boots+2pots+wards, nor of drings since I go RoA first, and as you tend to want to trade a lot, and your ult quickly empties your mana pool, having that sustain pre-catalyst, and on top of catalyst later on allows you to actually heal pretty fast for not that much mana if you ult during the catalyst passive. Plus I kinda suck at last hitting so despite his passive it covers it a bit. And since I'm trying to play him top, having some mana sustain when I don't get blue buffs feels great too. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On August 31 2013 23:09 Seuss wrote: Pre-pilot is a very apt term. That was very unpolished, and I hope the actual pilot shows a bit more investment. I do have a few questions and observations:
That's why I called it pre-pilot and noted in the Reddit thread all the things that have to be improved. It was meant to have NO level of polish. Yes Orb and idk Like I said in the Reddit thread, I know the sound levels were jacked up Agree | ||
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ChoBz
Canada836 Posts
Playing with my friends just isn't the same as tryhard 5's. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On September 01 2013 04:05 gtrsrs wrote: the champs i play are all melee assassins mid (kassadin, diana, kha'zix) i usually aggressively CS even when it endangers me and so i mass pots to stay healthy. well there's your problem | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 01 2013 04:21 ChoBz wrote: I miss playing ranked 5's. I think I'm gradually playing worse and worse ever since TL B died lol. Playing with my friends just isn't the same as tryhard 5's. Play TL inhouses. | ||
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
Gold V. Thats right. Gold V. I'll have to play my very best League of Legends. I'm excited! | ||
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Duvon
Sweden2360 Posts
While I agree that new players shouldn't get forced into roles, a lot of players are leveling smurfs, or come from dota and do have a basic concept of the moba game. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On September 01 2013 04:38 Djin)ftw( wrote: Friends, tomorrow my dream might come true. I might make it into Gold V. Thats right. Gold V. I'll have to play my very best League of Legends. I'm excited! On a sunday? Welp, good luck, you'll need it. | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
On September 01 2013 04:54 Alaric wrote: On a sunday? Welp, good luck, you'll need it. Lol, yeah probably not the best time, gl with kids and/or trolls. | ||
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