EPTOn August 13 2013 06:16 Slusher wrote:
not a fan but ok
not a fan but ok
I saw that.
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XaCez
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Shelke14
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:19 Shelke14 wrote: This should probably go in the QQ thread... but duos man fucking duos..... how is it they make your team that much worse than just have two separate random players on your team More than likely one of them sucks and the other is cocky? On August 13 2013 06:21 onlywonderboy wrote: Skin looks pretty amazing, I guess the disparity lies with "cannon" skins vs silly skins. I don't have a preference either way so this one certainly interests me. Canon? I'm confused. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:19 Shelke14 wrote: This should probably go in the QQ thread... but duos man fucking duos..... how is it they make your team that much worse than just have two separate random players on your team Duos have increased MMR for matchmaking purposes to account for the increased coordination they have The problem is when you get duos that are not actually more coordinated than two randoms. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On August 13 2013 05:50 Anakko wrote: Okay, last night i was going for adc in champ select, and the dude above me in the pick order calls support and locks zilean. So, i had never before played with a zilean support, and in case it happens again, i'd like to know: - what are the adc that go well with zil support? - how is the lane supposed to be played? I was at a complete loss and prolly didn't play it right. Oh and i was corki. To match with Zilean you want the biggest lane bully high damage ADC you can get, like Draven or MF. The thing about Zilean is that he has no hard CC, he can only get you in a situation where they have to fight you with his massive slow and haste. So you have to be able to win a straight up 1v1. You want to play Zil vs a lane with non-silly high sustain so his bomb harass can stick a bit, but also you want to not be against straight up aggressive (Leona etc) lane because you will lose the fight when you allin due to his low damage and CC. If you want you can also just farm it out very safe and just rely on his utility and ult lategame being very strong. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:22 mordek wrote: More than likely one of them sucks and the other is cocky? Canon? I'm confused. I'm the dumbest person alive x_x | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
XD It was a typo I'm sure  | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 13 2013 05:39 sung_moon wrote: Too lazy to check patch notes, but what happened to MF and Vi jungle? Just que'd and enemy team picked both of em up and almost forgot they were in the game lol. MF fell off cause playstyles changed from wanting big teamfight ad carries to ones that provide more control and/or mobility. She's still strong in the right team comps, though. Vi was never really played professionally that much. Not entirely sure why, but I think a big part of it was that she was outshined by Hecarim when they were considered strong. She got nerfed a few times despite that and that probably accounts for her drop in solo q popularity. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:49 cLutZ wrote: Vi was so over hyped. Honestly she needs more farm than the jungle to do her stuff. That's mostly the fault of her nerfs. She and Hecarim were actually fairly decent alternatives to the "low farm, supporty tank" jungle style that the meta now demands. Then they got nerfed, and the amount of farm they needed to function increased beyond what they could reasonably acquire while competing with the extremely self-sacrificial junglers that are popular today. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:49 cLutZ wrote: Vi was so over hyped. Honestly she needs more farm than the jungle to do her stuff. Don't think having basically the longest range engage in the game is/was overhyped. And the lack of ability to ward effectively against her is shitty too. She comes with pretty good damage just looking at her kit. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On August 13 2013 07:00 Cloud9157 wrote: Don't think having basically the longest range engage in the game is/was overhyped. And the lack of ability to ward effectively against her is shitty too. She comes with pretty good damage just looking at her kit. I'd say Ashe and TF and Noc and Panth all have longer engages, but for spells that aren't at least Semi-Global, yeah it's pretty big. But the difference is that an aware player can drag you into their entire team and you die fast, whereas Malphite thrives in that situation. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:44 Ryuu314 wrote: MF fell off cause playstyles changed from wanting big teamfight ad carries to ones that provide more control and/or mobility. She's still strong in the right team comps, though. Vi was never really played professionally that much. Not entirely sure why, but I think a big part of it was that she was outshined by Hecarim when they were considered strong. She got nerfed a few times despite that and that probably accounts for her drop in solo q popularity. Also, her gay best friend Taric got nerfed. On August 13 2013 07:04 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I'd say Ashe and TF and Noc and Panth all have longer engages, but for spells that aren't at least Semi-Global, yeah it's pretty big. But the difference is that an aware player can drag you into their entire team and you die fast, whereas Malphite thrives in that situation. Zac, Zac, Zac. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 13 2013 07:04 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I'd say Ashe and TF and Noc and Panth all have longer engages, but for spells that aren't at least Semi-Global, yeah it's pretty big. But the difference is that an aware player can drag you into their entire team and you die fast, whereas Malphite thrives in that situation. That is because Vi tries to do it with SOTAG + 1 ruby crystal, whereas Malphite does it with Sunfire+Randuins (plus kits obviously, even though for diving purposes her passive is just like Malphite's). Back before her nerfs, Vi did what Zed kinda does now in midlane: super reliable nearly infinite waveclear + very safe + kill potential, plus she abused League of Cleaver really well. In any case, before her release every pro was like creaming themselves about her, which is why I said she was so overhyped. | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
Personally I think good stories like this where there is a lack of rage are worthy of the general discussion thread, but that is just me. I too have been trolled by those damn inhibitors, but never quite that bad. | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
Yeah, that error was pretty mind bottling. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On August 13 2013 07:17 cLutZ wrote: That is because Vi tries to do it with SOTAG + 1 ruby crystal, whereas Malphite does it with Sunfire+Randuins (plus kits obviously, even though for diving purposes her passive is just like Malphite's). Back before her nerfs, Vi did what Zed kinda does now in midlane: super reliable nearly infinite waveclear + very safe + kill potential, plus she abused League of Cleaver really well. In any case, before her release every pro was like creaming themselves about her, which is why I said she was so overhyped. A lot of the hype was justified though. She had insane burst and sustained damage with her W. Vi's engage and ability to lock down a target was really strong with her ult. The problem was that she was nerfed so that you need to get much more exp and farm to be useful, which is hard to come by in the jungle. At the same time, during the period before she got nerfed, Hecarim was arguably the stronger choice since Hec dealt just as much damage if not more and had a stronger engage since his ult was aoe. Vi would probably have a place top lane, but she doesn't 1v2 well so the threat of a 1v2 lane keeps her from being played as a solo in competitive games. She's still a solid solo q pick for jungle or solo, though. | ||
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