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XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
August 12 2013 21:17 GMT
#4521
On August 13 2013 06:16 Slusher wrote:
not a fan but ok

I saw that.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
August 12 2013 21:19 GMT
#4522
This should probably go in the QQ thread... but duos man fucking duos..... how is it they make your team that much worse than just have two separate random players on your team
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 21:25:24
August 12 2013 21:21 GMT
#4523
Skin looks pretty amazing, I guess the disparity lies with "canon" skins vs silly skins. I don't have a preference either way so this one certainly interests me.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 21:22:58
August 12 2013 21:22 GMT
#4524
On August 13 2013 06:19 Shelke14 wrote:
This should probably go in the QQ thread... but duos man fucking duos..... how is it they make your team that much worse than just have two separate random players on your team

More than likely one of them sucks and the other is cocky?

On August 13 2013 06:21 onlywonderboy wrote:
Skin looks pretty amazing, I guess the disparity lies with "cannon" skins vs silly skins. I don't have a preference either way so this one certainly interests me.

Canon? I'm confused.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
August 12 2013 21:22 GMT
#4525
On August 13 2013 06:19 Shelke14 wrote:
This should probably go in the QQ thread... but duos man fucking duos..... how is it they make your team that much worse than just have two separate random players on your team

Duos have increased MMR for matchmaking purposes to account for the increased coordination they have

The problem is when you get duos that are not actually more coordinated than two randoms.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
August 12 2013 21:24 GMT
#4526
On August 13 2013 05:50 Anakko wrote:
Okay, last night i was going for adc in champ select, and the dude above me in the pick order calls support and locks zilean. So, i had never before played with a zilean support, and in case it happens again, i'd like to know:
- what are the adc that go well with zil support?
- how is the lane supposed to be played?
I was at a complete loss and prolly didn't play it right. Oh and i was corki.



To match with Zilean you want the biggest lane bully high damage ADC you can get, like Draven or MF.

The thing about Zilean is that he has no hard CC, he can only get you in a situation where they have to fight you with his massive slow and haste. So you have to be able to win a straight up 1v1. You want to play Zil vs a lane with non-silly high sustain so his bomb harass can stick a bit, but also you want to not be against straight up aggressive (Leona etc) lane because you will lose the fight when you allin due to his low damage and CC.

If you want you can also just farm it out very safe and just rely on his utility and ult lategame being very strong.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
August 12 2013 21:25 GMT
#4527
On August 13 2013 06:22 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 06:19 Shelke14 wrote:
This should probably go in the QQ thread... but duos man fucking duos..... how is it they make your team that much worse than just have two separate random players on your team

More than likely one of them sucks and the other is cocky?

Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 06:21 onlywonderboy wrote:
Skin looks pretty amazing, I guess the disparity lies with "cannon" skins vs silly skins. I don't have a preference either way so this one certainly interests me.

Canon? I'm confused.

I'm the dumbest person alive x_x
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 12 2013 21:29 GMT
#4528
On August 13 2013 06:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 06:22 mordek wrote:
On August 13 2013 06:19 Shelke14 wrote:
This should probably go in the QQ thread... but duos man fucking duos..... how is it they make your team that much worse than just have two separate random players on your team

More than likely one of them sucks and the other is cocky?

On August 13 2013 06:21 onlywonderboy wrote:
Skin looks pretty amazing, I guess the disparity lies with "cannon" skins vs silly skins. I don't have a preference either way so this one certainly interests me.

Canon? I'm confused.

I'm the dumbest person alive x_x

XD It was a typo I'm sure
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 12 2013 21:44 GMT
#4529
On August 13 2013 05:39 sung_moon wrote:
Too lazy to check patch notes, but what happened to MF and Vi jungle?

Just que'd and enemy team picked both of em up and almost forgot they were in the game lol.

MF fell off cause playstyles changed from wanting big teamfight ad carries to ones that provide more control and/or mobility. She's still strong in the right team comps, though.

Vi was never really played professionally that much. Not entirely sure why, but I think a big part of it was that she was outshined by Hecarim when they were considered strong. She got nerfed a few times despite that and that probably accounts for her drop in solo q popularity.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 12 2013 21:49 GMT
#4530
Vi was so over hyped. Honestly she needs more farm than the jungle to do her stuff.
Freeeeeeedom
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 12 2013 21:55 GMT
#4531
But her ganks and skirmishing are what you pick her for since champs like Malphite can fulfill a similar role in teamfights in a far more efficient manner, and with better scaling in the late game.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 12 2013 21:58 GMT
#4532
On August 13 2013 06:49 cLutZ wrote:
Vi was so over hyped. Honestly she needs more farm than the jungle to do her stuff.


That's mostly the fault of her nerfs. She and Hecarim were actually fairly decent alternatives to the "low farm, supporty tank" jungle style that the meta now demands. Then they got nerfed, and the amount of farm they needed to function increased beyond what they could reasonably acquire while competing with the extremely self-sacrificial junglers that are popular today.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 22:02:05
August 12 2013 22:00 GMT
#4533
On August 13 2013 06:49 cLutZ wrote:
Vi was so over hyped. Honestly she needs more farm than the jungle to do her stuff.


Don't think having basically the longest range engage in the game is/was overhyped. And the lack of ability to ward effectively against her is shitty too.

She comes with pretty good damage just looking at her kit.
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GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
August 12 2013 22:04 GMT
#4534
On August 13 2013 07:00 Cloud9157 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 06:49 cLutZ wrote:
Vi was so over hyped. Honestly she needs more farm than the jungle to do her stuff.


Don't think having basically the longest range engage in the game is/was overhyped. And the lack of ability to ward effectively against her is shitty too.

She comes with pretty good damage just looking at her kit.

I'd say Ashe and TF and Noc and Panth all have longer engages, but for spells that aren't at least Semi-Global, yeah it's pretty big. But the difference is that an aware player can drag you into their entire team and you die fast, whereas Malphite thrives in that situation.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 12 2013 22:10 GMT
#4535
the problem with Vi was she really didn't need to be nerfed but release Vi really came with no compelling reason to ever level W past rank1 before you had to, if this game had stats levels like dota, that could have arguably been more powerful than leveling up her W past 1.
Carrilord has arrived.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 12 2013 22:12 GMT
#4536
On August 13 2013 06:44 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 05:39 sung_moon wrote:
Too lazy to check patch notes, but what happened to MF and Vi jungle?

Just que'd and enemy team picked both of em up and almost forgot they were in the game lol.

MF fell off cause playstyles changed from wanting big teamfight ad carries to ones that provide more control and/or mobility. She's still strong in the right team comps, though.

Vi was never really played professionally that much. Not entirely sure why, but I think a big part of it was that she was outshined by Hecarim when they were considered strong. She got nerfed a few times despite that and that probably accounts for her drop in solo q popularity.


Also, her gay best friend Taric got nerfed.

On August 13 2013 07:04 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 07:00 Cloud9157 wrote:
On August 13 2013 06:49 cLutZ wrote:
Vi was so over hyped. Honestly she needs more farm than the jungle to do her stuff.


Don't think having basically the longest range engage in the game is/was overhyped. And the lack of ability to ward effectively against her is shitty too.

She comes with pretty good damage just looking at her kit.

I'd say Ashe and TF and Noc and Panth all have longer engages, but for spells that aren't at least Semi-Global, yeah it's pretty big. But the difference is that an aware player can drag you into their entire team and you die fast, whereas Malphite thrives in that situation.


Zac, Zac, Zac.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 12 2013 22:17 GMT
#4537
On August 13 2013 07:04 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 07:00 Cloud9157 wrote:
On August 13 2013 06:49 cLutZ wrote:
Vi was so over hyped. Honestly she needs more farm than the jungle to do her stuff.


Don't think having basically the longest range engage in the game is/was overhyped. And the lack of ability to ward effectively against her is shitty too.

She comes with pretty good damage just looking at her kit.

I'd say Ashe and TF and Noc and Panth all have longer engages, but for spells that aren't at least Semi-Global, yeah it's pretty big. But the difference is that an aware player can drag you into their entire team and you die fast, whereas Malphite thrives in that situation.


That is because Vi tries to do it with SOTAG + 1 ruby crystal, whereas Malphite does it with Sunfire+Randuins (plus kits obviously, even though for diving purposes her passive is just like Malphite's). Back before her nerfs, Vi did what Zed kinda does now in midlane: super reliable nearly infinite waveclear + very safe + kill potential, plus she abused League of Cleaver really well.

In any case, before her release every pro was like creaming themselves about her, which is why I said she was so overhyped.
Freeeeeeedom
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
August 12 2013 22:23 GMT
#4538
On August 13 2013 05:02 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 04:46 pugowar wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I have to share this story with you.
First off, my friends and I are not very good at this game. We have a 3v3 team, and we got placed in bronze 5. So we started working our way up from there at the beginning of the season, and we got to our placement matches to get out of Bronze and into silver. So Last night, I sent the wifey out with some cash to go shopping, took the dog out for a long walk, and got ready to play our placement matches, which are a best of five. We lose the first two, and then win the next two. The last game is a very tense back and forth, we manage to push in and drop the bottom inhib, and then fall back. Some skirmishing ensues as an ace at this point of the game almost guarantees the other team will win. We wait for our oppurtunity, find one of them out of position and pounce - earning an ACE while losing one of our teammates. We are laughing and screaming on skype as we walkinto their base...my friend is renekton and he tanks the tower while we slaughter it. They are all dead for twenty more seconds as we begin attacking the nexus. We are laughing and having a great time as we are finally going to get into silver. We gg and the enemy ggs back.

Then the inhib respawns....making the nexus invulnerable. We notice and quickly start attacking the inhib, panic sets in and we switch back to the nexus. We get it down to 1/3 ealth but they have respawned and kill us.

Then my internet drops. I am out for 30 seconds, and my roommate is down for 2-3 minutes. When he comes back we say ok one more ace and we got this LOL.

Then they slaughter us and we lose.


I hate this game :-)


This is the thread you're looking for.


Personally I think good stories like this where there is a lack of rage are worthy of the general discussion thread, but that is just me. I too have been trolled by those damn inhibitors, but never quite that bad.
This, my friends, is the power of the Shikyo Memorial for QQ therapy thread. We make the world a better place, one chainsaw massacre prevention at a time.
petered
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1817 Posts
August 12 2013 22:25 GMT
#4539
On August 13 2013 06:25 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 06:22 mordek wrote:
On August 13 2013 06:19 Shelke14 wrote:
This should probably go in the QQ thread... but duos man fucking duos..... how is it they make your team that much worse than just have two separate random players on your team

More than likely one of them sucks and the other is cocky?

On August 13 2013 06:21 onlywonderboy wrote:
Skin looks pretty amazing, I guess the disparity lies with "cannon" skins vs silly skins. I don't have a preference either way so this one certainly interests me.

Canon? I'm confused.

I'm the dumbest person alive x_x


Yeah, that error was pretty mind bottling.
This, my friends, is the power of the Shikyo Memorial for QQ therapy thread. We make the world a better place, one chainsaw massacre prevention at a time.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 12 2013 22:27 GMT
#4540
On August 13 2013 07:17 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 07:04 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
On August 13 2013 07:00 Cloud9157 wrote:
On August 13 2013 06:49 cLutZ wrote:
Vi was so over hyped. Honestly she needs more farm than the jungle to do her stuff.


Don't think having basically the longest range engage in the game is/was overhyped. And the lack of ability to ward effectively against her is shitty too.

She comes with pretty good damage just looking at her kit.

I'd say Ashe and TF and Noc and Panth all have longer engages, but for spells that aren't at least Semi-Global, yeah it's pretty big. But the difference is that an aware player can drag you into their entire team and you die fast, whereas Malphite thrives in that situation.


That is because Vi tries to do it with SOTAG + 1 ruby crystal, whereas Malphite does it with Sunfire+Randuins (plus kits obviously, even though for diving purposes her passive is just like Malphite's). Back before her nerfs, Vi did what Zed kinda does now in midlane: super reliable nearly infinite waveclear + very safe + kill potential, plus she abused League of Cleaver really well.

In any case, before her release every pro was like creaming themselves about her, which is why I said she was so overhyped.

A lot of the hype was justified though. She had insane burst and sustained damage with her W. Vi's engage and ability to lock down a target was really strong with her ult. The problem was that she was nerfed so that you need to get much more exp and farm to be useful, which is hard to come by in the jungle. At the same time, during the period before she got nerfed, Hecarim was arguably the stronger choice since Hec dealt just as much damage if not more and had a stronger engage since his ult was aoe.

Vi would probably have a place top lane, but she doesn't 1v2 well so the threat of a 1v2 lane keeps her from being played as a solo in competitive games. She's still a solid solo q pick for jungle or solo, though.
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