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On August 08 2013 13:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
Zyra isn't mobile herself, but having so much CC should keep you fairly safe.
I've always felt really underwhelmed by the damage of most AP mids, which is kind of weird considering I play support. I've been enjoying Zyra more as a support (finally getting how to make her work, thank goodness), but I played her as an AP mid and felt pretty weak. Like, I went Chalice/Boots -> Sorc -> Dcap -> Guise (would have finished Athene's and then Liandry's and Rylai) , but my damage sucked. I was barely killing the enemy Kha6 when he was diving our AD, and he had like no MR and only a Cleaver.
Should I have been buying Dorans to force early on? I went pretty equal in lane despite getting ganked a couple times b/c I did a good job kiting and bringing them low and then finishing someone off with my passive. I just have a natural hatred of Dorans because of limited gold on support.
Also, burning bush Zyra makes me chuckle.
Zyra mid feels more like a control mid, with your big CC ult and plants if they stick around, kinda like Morgana. I'd probably take DRx2 over Chalice, I don't remember having many mana problems on Zyra.
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About burning Zyra, the rylai liandry is standart on her I think, elder lizard as said looks forced to fit the theme, it's the banner of command i'm interested in. How impactfull if the minion passive? does it affect other summons (elise spiderlings?)? any maths lying around about the dps increase of it vs a "normal" ap item. Also are you even going to be in passive range of your plants so is it possible gameplay wise?
Also thanks for making an effort to decrease the amount of offtopic that was going here, and let's admit it these last few days have been filled with it. Made reading somewhat slow and uninteresting. In fact the only good moments this thread had these lasts days has been Xildark introdduction and stupidity (dat name) coming in and shitting on scrubs
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Anime /= visual novels wei2.
I can tell you now, that its highly likely the OT thread will just turn into what GD is now and GD will end up abandoned. So you'll end up with an OT thread with everyone spamming the shit out of useless crap (because no restrictions hue) with general LoL discussion lightly mixed in. The main traffic will be there so others will be forced to post questions there because nobody even looks at GD anymore.
Then what will you do? Force people to used GD? :D
I think this off-topic trend deserves a couple weeks to a month of harsh moderating (warns into bans) and it will clear itself up, like Neo said alot of us have been here for years and maybe we (you.) are just slacking a bit and need a kick up the ass. Restructuring the way the sub-forum works over it is a bit of a wonky fix to do immediately imo.
Also, 5 pages of offtopic about offtopics. Ban neo for instigating.
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On August 08 2013 14:22 Capped wrote:
Also, 5 pages of offtopic about offtopics. Ban neo for instigating.
It applies to the LoL GD Forums. I don't see how it's offtopic.
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On August 08 2013 13:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 13:34 cLutZ wrote:On August 08 2013 13:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On August 08 2013 13:05 cLutZ wrote:On August 08 2013 11:34 Slaughter wrote:
How much of these range changes will affect his being picked in competitive play? IMO, it will probably be a 100% or 0% Change. The thing about Range nerfs is that they are so binary that either Ryze is still OP even with the range nerfs (although less fun for me) or basically 100% niche (or unusable). I think, however, even if #2 is true, he will still be played in progames until people pick up on it, because he is so common, and is part of everyone's practiced champ pool. bullshit lol, 0% ryze picks incoming in any region that matters he's gonna be unusable and to think that pro players are gonna overlook it just cause of "comfort" is ridiculous Comfort is huge. Regi and Dyrus just played the recently nerfed Karthus and Jayce (and lost) (although I think they are still powerful) and picked them as if they were 3.8 versions. My point is not that they Ryze nerfs were not severe (I think they are), but the point is that, if Ryze isn't picked during 3.10 competitive play, that is a HUGE indication of how far he has fallen. Its like if Riot nerfed Vayne so much that she went to 0% pick rate in OGN. If no one picks Ryze next week, its more than a nerf, its a castration. I think a castration is in order because 3.9 Ryze is stupid. Also re Regi and Dyrus picking outdated heroes: that's why I said any region that matterse huehuehue If they insist on picking Ryze next week, it's simply proof that they don't actually care enough about winning/don't put in the work to winning if they want to keep playing outdated heroes and refuse to adapt to the patches. Riot isn't even doing some bullshit 2-week patch cycle now, there's plenty of time for proteams to adapt properly to new environments
If you don't think pro players have comfort champions than you just are out of touch. Imagine how huge of a nerf Rumble would have to get to see no LCS play, or Shen. Ryze is a little below that in popularity (because, by the way, those champs should have been nerfed instead/along with Ryze), but people play him a lot in 2 positions. If he isn't picked up at all, right after the nerfs, that means he has been, like I said, castrated.
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Pro players have comfort champs and that's not a good thing. a truly top tier team can play anything without much difference.
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On August 08 2013 14:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Pro players have comfort champs and that's not a good thing. a truly top tier team can play anything without much difference.
Now you're just drawing random lines in the sand. Pro players are pro players.
Plus, some pros can force certain champs to work even when it's not favorable. Just look at all the specialty champs of various top pro players.
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On August 08 2013 14:26 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:22 Capped wrote:
Also, 5 pages of offtopic about offtopics. Ban neo for instigating. It applies to the LoL GD Forums. I don't see how it's offtopic.
Its not about LoL
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personally, i'm happy with the changes. i stopped reading a lot of gd because it would get off topic way too often
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Yeah there was a solid 10+ pages of Kyrusoihiushe Shoken bullsheeeeet.
Btw doesn't the ryze range nerf make him more consistent? I didn't even realise there was such a big difference between the ranges of all his spells before.
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On August 08 2013 14:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Pro players have comfort champs and that's not a good thing. a truly top tier team can play anything without much difference.
I wish pros could play comfort champs more often. Its much more interesting than the current state of affairs.
I'd much rather see Dyrus:Kayle/Vlad/Jayce vs. Voyboy Olaf/Akali/Katarina instead of those 2 playing Kennen/Rumble/Malphite/Shen.
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On August 08 2013 14:57 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Pro players have comfort champs and that's not a good thing. a truly top tier team can play anything without much difference. I wish pros could play comfort champs more often. Its much more interesting than the current state of affairs. I'd much rather see Dyrus:Kayle/Vlad/Jayce vs. Voyboy Olaf/Akali/Katarina instead of those 2 playing Kennen/Rumble/Malphite/Shen.
If you watch the Artosis interview by Thorin, there's a talk about the difference between players who go through stages of being good, and the truly great that are always good. Very relevant to this discussion.
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riot need to do an all-stars muck-around match like the one at ti3 at the moment for the season finals.
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On August 08 2013 15:07 GTR wrote:
riot need to do an all-stars muck-around match like the one at ti3 at the moment for the season finals.
They did last year (that is, if you're talking about what I think you're talking about). I remember one member from each team all just screwing around in a 5v5, it was particularly memorable because of dat Maknoob Teemo. Idk if they streamed it or not though, even though they started it before they let us into the stadium >:x
Definitely agree they should do it again though, if the players really get into it then it becomes a blast.
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On August 08 2013 14:39 wussleeQ wrote:
personally, i'm happy with the changes. i stopped reading a lot of gd because it would get off topic way too often
It's a love it or hate it change. Weird seeing people get so excited for the removal of one of the main reasons I love GD and TL LoL as a whole ha, different strokes I suppose. Also fwiw imo TL LoL and the rest of TL are like two completely different sites.
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So wait, Ryze was OP? Like seriously? I know this sounds weird coming from a silver player, but Riot thinks that Ryze was more deserving of nerfs than other mid laners? I still think Ori should be nerfed before Ryze is nerfed.
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On August 08 2013 14:59 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:57 cLutZ wrote:On August 08 2013 14:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Pro players have comfort champs and that's not a good thing. a truly top tier team can play anything without much difference. I wish pros could play comfort champs more often. Its much more interesting than the current state of affairs. I'd much rather see Dyrus:Kayle/Vlad/Jayce vs. Voyboy Olaf/Akali/Katarina instead of those 2 playing Kennen/Rumble/Malphite/Shen. If you watch the Artosis interview by Thorin, there's a talk about the difference between players who go through stages of being good, and the truly great that are always good. Very relevant to this discussion.
I don't mind the fact that Dyrus and Voy are kinda crappy now. What I mind is that Froggen's Anivia is worse than Froggen's Jayce (even though he is still a top Mid in EU). Or like, Wick'd's terrible Rumble, is better than his Irelia.
Even though Shy is still a beast, I still want to see him play singed and jax.
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Just a random poster who lurks most of the time but posts here and there: don't want to see a new thread. Want heavier moderation when people take off-topic too far. I'm fine with random discussions that pop up here and there. I'm not fine when it drags for pages and pages and starts up anew every couple of days. We get it; we're all special and part of a magical clique... which isn't interesting, enlightening, or funny for anybody else to read.
Keep posting standards high even on off-topic stuff and make sure it doesn't drag long. Bans/warning as needed and trust the mod's judgment when they hand it down.
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On August 08 2013 15:12 Dark_Chill wrote:
So wait, Ryze was OP? Like seriously? I know this sounds weird coming from a silver player, but Riot thinks that Ryze was more deserving of nerfs than other mid laners? I still think Ori should be nerfed before Ryze is nerfed.
Ryze was 100% op
Ori is like one of the most balanced mids right now.
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On a none meta note...
I guess ahq was eliminated from the SAE Season 3 Championship qualifiers. Pretty surprising considering how well they had been doing recently.
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