EPT[Patch 3.10: Yimake Patch] General Discussion - Page 165
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Hyren
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 08 2013 12:40 Hyren wrote: Soo, after being on this patch for a while, are you guys building then new Locket out of the jungle? I've been leaning on Wardens and Spectral Cowl as my midgame items and then looking to finish into Randuins and Visage as needed. Aegis is still good, and it's only 600g more to build Locket. Unless I have a compelling reason to get something else, Aegis/Locket is still an important pick up. That said, it's very tempting to just build the new Spirit Visage on everybody. | ||
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.AK
United States561 Posts
The biggest problem for me about these off tops were that a lot of the time they would seem to just turn into circle jerks about whatever the topic was. I don't normally read all the off topics so maybe I am wrong but it most of the "discussions" seem to go that way. The biggest example I can think of was that anime girl that Neo/Req liked. Whatever discussion was to be had was thrown out the window and it just turned into "Hey guys we like the same thing, we should post about it in GD!!11!!". A good example of good off topics was giving advice on which pokemon to start off on. That discussion actually seemed like it could help someone. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
But man, I'm loving the aegis -> locket change. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 08 2013 11:34 Slaughter wrote: How much of these range changes will affect his being picked in competitive play? IMO, it will probably be a 100% or 0% Change. The thing about Range nerfs is that they are so binary that either Ryze is still OP even with the range nerfs (although less fun for me) or basically 100% niche (or unusable). I think, however, even if #2 is true, he will still be played in progames until people pick up on it, because he is so common, and is part of everyone's practiced champ pool. That is what was really amazing about the Olaf nerfs, you had a champ that EVERY toplaner + Every jungler + a fed midlaners knew how to play, and he basically was never touched again. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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koreasilver
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On August 08 2013 12:40 Hyren wrote: Soo, after being on this patch for a while, are you guys building then new Locket out of the jungle? I've been leaning on Wardens and Spectral Cowl as my midgame items and then looking to finish into Randuins and Visage as needed. I've only been building it against double AP comps now. Otherwise I don't feel like it's worth it anymore. If I do build aegis then I finish building it into locket though. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On August 08 2013 13:05 cLutZ wrote: IMO, it will probably be a 100% or 0% Change. The thing about Range nerfs is that they are so binary that either Ryze is still OP even with the range nerfs (although less fun for me) or basically 100% niche (or unusable). I think, however, even if #2 is true, he will still be played in progames until people pick up on it, because he is so common, and is part of everyone's practiced champ pool. bullshit lol, 0% ryze picks incoming in any region that matters he's gonna be unusable and to think that pro players are gonna overlook it just cause of "comfort" is ridiculous On August 08 2013 13:18 kainzero wrote: I question burning bush Zyra, if only because I've always thought that damage was not her problem, but her lack of mobility. You always did a chunk of damage with a normal build. It's a gimmick build; the elder lizard is a complete waste and it's only crammed in to fit the theme, and rylai-guise-liandry zyra was normal anyways, it's nothing new On August 08 2013 12:41 onlywonderboy wrote: I'll probably end up spending way more time in off topic and LR threads. I'd take fish puns and pancakes over people arguing about theorycrafting. Mostly because it almost always devolves into name calling and people just straight up ignoring rational arguments. that only happens because we have a strangely high tolerance for straight up ignorant "theorycrafting" chill-style bw strat was the best way to go. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I've always felt really underwhelmed by the damage of most AP mids, which is kind of weird considering I play support. I've been enjoying Zyra more as a support (finally getting how to make her work, thank goodness), but I played her as an AP mid and felt pretty weak. Like, I went Chalice/Boots -> Sorc -> Dcap -> Guise (would have finished Athene's and then Liandry's and Rylai) , but my damage sucked. I was barely killing the enemy Kha6 when he was diving our AD, and he had like no MR and only a Cleaver. Should I have been buying Dorans to force early on? I went pretty equal in lane despite getting ganked a couple times b/c I did a good job kiting and bringing them low and then finishing someone off with my passive. I just have a natural hatred of Dorans because of limited gold on support. Also, burning bush Zyra makes me chuckle. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 08 2013 13:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: bullshit lol, 0% ryze picks incoming in any region that matters he's gonna be unusable and to think that pro players are gonna overlook it just cause of "comfort" is ridiculous Comfort is huge. Regi and Dyrus just played the recently nerfed Karthus and Jayce (and lost) (although I think they are still powerful) and picked them as if they were 3.8 versions. My point is not that they Ryze nerfs were not severe (I think they are), but the point is that, if Ryze isn't picked during 3.10 competitive play, that is a HUGE indication of how far he has fallen. Its like if Riot nerfed Vayne so much that she went to 0% pick rate in OGN. If no one picks Ryze next week, its more than a nerf, its a castration. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On August 08 2013 13:34 cLutZ wrote: Comfort is huge. Regi and Dyrus just played the recently nerfed Karthus and Jayce (and lost) (although I think they are still powerful) and picked them as if they were 3.8 versions. My point is not that they Ryze nerfs were not severe (I think they are), but the point is that, if Ryze isn't picked during 3.10 competitive play, that is a HUGE indication of how far he has fallen. Its like if Riot nerfed Vayne so much that she went to 0% pick rate in OGN. If no one picks Ryze next week, its more than a nerf, its a castration. I think a castration is in order because 3.9 Ryze is stupid. Also re Regi and Dyrus picking outdated heroes: that's why I said any region that matterse huehuehue If they insist on picking Ryze next week, it's simply proof that they don't actually care enough about winning/don't put in the work to winning if they want to keep playing outdated heroes and refuse to adapt to the patches. Riot isn't even doing some bullshit 2-week patch cycle now, there's plenty of time for proteams to adapt properly to new environments | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On August 08 2013 13:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: bullshit lol, 0% ryze picks incoming in any region that matters he's gonna be unusable and to think that pro players are gonna overlook it just cause of "comfort" is ridiculous It's a gimmick build; the elder lizard is a complete waste and it's only crammed in to fit the theme, and rylai-guise-liandry zyra was normal anyways, it's nothing new that only happens because we have a strangely high tolerance for straight up ignorant "theorycrafting" chill-style bw strat was the best way to go. Rylai Liandry was always pretty standard on mid Zyra, but Banner of Command wasn't. I wonder how much damage Banner of Command is actually adding, it'd be interesting to see some math on the subject. I agree that the Elder Lizard seems forced and dumb. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On August 08 2013 13:38 wei2coolman wrote: Just look at kennen in s2. He went from insanely played, to no play cuz 25 range change. Then back to insanely played after they chopped 40 energy off the ult cost. | ||
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
just build ryliandrys and you are a midgame wrecking ball, once you proceed to destroy the enemy team 5 times get your voidcap and win | ||
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schmutttt
Australia3856 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 08 2013 13:48 thenexusp wrote: Then back to insanely played after they chopped 40 energy off the ult cost. And nerfs to a lot of popular top laners. Especially the lane bully ones. On August 08 2013 14:04 schmutttt wrote: Felt bans were a bit harsh for the OT posts, but I was sick of the anime posts etc so I'm glad that something was done. If you want to talk about anime I'm sure there is a thread somewhere on TL for it. There was almost no anime talk. Dunno what you talking about... | ||
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