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No more bad posting
WiseBagus
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada452 Posts
August 08 2013 00:03 GMT
#3241
I feel like it should be 0.08 Silly Posts:1 League Post
"When you come at the King, you best not miss"
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
August 08 2013 00:04 GMT
#3242
On August 08 2013 08:32 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 08:30 Osmoses wrote:
On August 08 2013 08:06 Perplex wrote:
On August 08 2013 08:02 Osmoses wrote:
On August 08 2013 07:38 NeoIllusions wrote:
Perhaps I blame myself for giving all of you too much leeway but this is starting to take a bad precedence and I'm going to nip it in the bud.

On Friday, I'm going to draft a new off topic thread since there seems to be an interest for it. TL LoL GD should and will remain relevant to general topics about the game itself. Rules will be strictly enforced after this weekend with bans issued upon sight of bad posts.

What I find most disappointing is that a lot of you have been with TL LoL for years now and you know what kind of shit I would not tolerate (fish puns, five pages of pancakes, TotalBiscuit, etc) yet you keep pushing my hand. So yes, I'm responding.

That's a shame, I thought the silly attitude and the tangents made this subforum feel more fun, like a fraternity rather than a boardroom meeting. What's more fun, a silly tangent about Totalbiscuit or a discussion about hydra vs bt in bronze league?


But what makes this forum so great is that it's pretty much the sole bastion of intelligent discussion and theory-crafting around competitive LoL. Tangents and silly posts have their place, but they should be used sparingly. Above all, I think this sub should be (and is) a place to help make yourself a better player by discussing the game


Does anyone really come to the GD thread to get better at the game? Because I thought it was just the place where people who liked LoL gathered to hang out.


Well you just put the nail in the off-topic coffin with that post. It's both, but usually it's leaned toward the first. If you got that idea from yango I think it's pretty clear he's the only mod that feels that way.

I had myself temp banned for six months so I'd stop reading because the thread was all about pro player drama for a while, which is basically the same post quality as fish puns, but fish puns are more fun to read. I like off topic sometimes, but if it's coming in overwhelming quantities I just tune out. It's going to take a lot more of this kind of talk than of some kinds that are 'sanctioned' like complaining about what somebody efamous said on twitter about lol to turn me off though, I don't mind if pancake talk continues.


The TB tangent(aside from the Bloody Mary evoking of his name) actually spawned discussion directly related to league, I'm not sure why you are so incensed about it.

Maybe I'm in the minority but the last 3 weeks are the least I've cared about this thread/forum since it started, I can't remember that last time I read so little of the posts(I usually read every single one while I catch up day to day, even during my huge breaks from the game itself) and just skimmed through looking for stuff I cared about. I guess what I'm saying is that while you just 'tune out' the off-topic, I know personally that it's just super annoying to do that when I've forever been able to just read the thread post by post and never have to tune that shit out because it came in short bursts(that didn't last 5+ pages) and was sometimes actually funny.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
vvSiegvv
Profile Joined March 2010
United States364 Posts
August 08 2013 00:12 GMT
#3243
I think Alaric said it best above, it's not like nobody enjoyed some of the more off topic posts, but it's pretty easy to see that they have been getting more and more abundant. I had my final round interview on Monday so this is my first day back to TL, and having read through about 60 pages of GD at once it was pretty bad with some pages being pretty much nothing but 1 liner puns. That being said it seems like we could really benefit from what Neo plans to do with an off topic forum, as that way you could browse either forum depending on what kind of content you were wanting to find, and not having to worry about sifting through 50 percent of the posts.

Also I got the job so now I'm moving to Austin! ^_^
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
August 08 2013 00:14 GMT
#3244
On August 08 2013 09:12 vvSiegvv wrote:
I think Alaric said it best above, it's not like nobody enjoyed some of the more off topic posts, but it's pretty easy to see that they have been getting more and more abundant. I had my final round interview on Monday so this is my first day back to TL, and having read through about 60 pages of GD at once it was pretty bad with some pages being pretty much nothing but 1 liner puns. That being said it seems like we could really benefit from what Neo plans to do with an off topic forum, as that way you could browse either forum depending on what kind of content you were wanting to find, and not having to worry about sifting through 50 percent of the posts.

Also I got the job so now I'm moving to Austin! ^_^


Austin is a fantastic city, so grats on getting to live there for w/e job it was you got.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 08 2013 00:15 GMT
#3245
I suppose that this sort of warrants me clarifying my position as a mod, seeing as Neo has expressed disagreement with my point of view.

I think the amount of off-topic discussion in the past few weeks is simply indicative of the lack of "General Discussion"-type LoL discussion that there is to be had. By and large I don't see any real LoL discussion that is being drowned out by this off-topic discussion (and I mean real discussion, not Ketara raising something he's tried in 5s that nobody has any contribution to make toward because nobody's ever played it before and expecting people to actually have something). People are talking about off-topic things because that's what there is to talk about.

You can postulate about why there isn't so much LoL discussion recently (I think our subforum is becoming better at compartmentalizing the various topics into their own threads) but frankly I think trying to force General Discussion on-topic is trying to force the conversation toward something where there wouldn't be any. If there were any "general" topics that would have garnered discussion they would have done so. The off-topic discussion has only really appeared to fill the void in discussion topics. So long as the posting quality keeps to our usual standards (and for the most part it has), I don't see what forbidding it will accomplish.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 00:18:30
August 08 2013 00:15 GMT
#3246
@red: By tune out I mean stop visiting. There's a critical mass of OT that becomes unreadable and for me ecelebrity natter does more to push things to that point than anything else. I don't particularly care whether OT stuff gets pushed out or not, although I'd slightly prefer if it did, but I hope discussion of whether regi left the big shit in the tsm house toilet or not gets banished as well. Based on my past reading of the thread, I believe that's what pancake talk is mostly crowding out.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
August 08 2013 00:15 GMT
#3247
On August 08 2013 08:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
I told you guys I knew what was gonna happen. I much prefer the strictness of moderation to what the forum devolved into over the past couple of weeks. Its what TL as a website is based on. Other people have said it better before I got the chance to (fucking phoneposting), but there is definitely as difference between what offtopic used to mean and what has been done to it lately. It was...forced?

By the way Neo you should totally get me that hammer icon; I defs have mod qualities.

Would you moderate us by giving warm milk and teething toys?
Administrator@TL_Zess
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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
August 08 2013 00:50 GMT
#3248
On August 08 2013 09:15 UniversalSnip wrote:
@red: By tune out I mean stop visiting. There's a critical mass of OT that becomes unreadable and for me ecelebrity natter does more to push things to that point than anything else. I don't particularly care whether OT stuff gets pushed out or not, although I'd slightly prefer if it did, but I hope discussion of whether regi left the big shit in the tsm house toilet or not gets banished as well. Based on my past reading of the thread, I believe that's what pancake talk is mostly crowding out.

I can tell what you're talking about via context, but off-topic and on-topic have the same acronym.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 08 2013 00:56 GMT
#3249
Nah that shit doesn't work on my kid, I don't expect it to work on you guys.

Yango I see your point of view but I disgaree that the topics lately were 'natural' progressions of the conversation. Even if you argue that its where we head when there's nothing to talk about, I think I'd honestly just rather see less posting than that stuff. I don't see why shitposting and pseudo-memes is what offtopic has to be---if there's no reason to post then don't force it, just don't.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 01:03:50
August 08 2013 00:59 GMT
#3250
I should also clarify that I'm somewhat jaded about how often General Discussion simply rehashes the same topics over and over, so to me, new off-topic is better than LoL discussion that is being rehashed and re-argued for the 10th time.

On August 08 2013 09:15 UniversalSnip wrote:
@red: By tune out I mean stop visiting. There's a critical mass of OT that becomes unreadable and for me ecelebrity natter does more to push things to that point than anything else. I don't particularly care whether OT stuff gets pushed out or not, although I'd slightly prefer if it did, but I hope discussion of whether regi left the big shit in the tsm house toilet or not gets banished as well. Based on my past reading of the thread, I believe that's what pancake talk is mostly crowding out.

This as well.

@Wave: outside of a few of the specific topics, a lot of the off-topic has been legitimate discussion and not shitposting.

Fish puns I'm on the fence about because while I'm not personally a fan, pun trains definitely have a history on TL throughout various threads across the site.
Moderator
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
August 08 2013 01:12 GMT
#3251
I think the overarching concern here is not entirely the content of the posts - everyone likes a little Pokemon chatter or the latest Costco free-sample gossip. The noticeable trend of late has been the quality of these off-topic posts. Someone above said it very well and now I paraphrase - TL is largely the only quasi-intelligent place to discuss LoL with a sizable cross-section of quality players, theory crafters, and number crunchers. In order to maintain this Brood War-esque mystique of greatness, the quality of all posts, not merely on-topic posts, must continue to live up to the standard everyone in this sub-forum has worked hard to nurture.



Stay positive!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 08 2013 01:14 GMT
#3252
For the record I didn't mind the pancake talk, I just didn't care to read it. I also found the fish puns funny personally.

The issue I find was the frequency and forcing of off-topic discussion, ie bringing up pokemon every 2nd post and visual novels. Also really wasn't a fan of the 'biscuit baiting' though some of the discussion around dota v lol was interesting.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 01:26:31
August 08 2013 01:26 GMT
#3253
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-online-gamers-20130808,0,2878956.story

lots of interesting stuff in this article

The games are broadcast online and draw more than 1.7 million unique viewers. A typical National Hockey League game on the NBC Sports Network last season drew a quarter of that audience.


Evans and Riot told U.S. officials that the eSports league met government benchmarks for a major sports league because it had clear rules and at least six teams with combined revenues of more than $10 million.

iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
August 08 2013 01:37 GMT
#3254
On August 08 2013 10:26 nojitosunrise wrote:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-online-gamers-20130808,0,2878956.story

lots of interesting stuff in this article

Show nested quote +
The games are broadcast online and draw more than 1.7 million unique viewers. A typical National Hockey League game on the NBC Sports Network last season drew a quarter of that audience.


Show nested quote +
Evans and Riot told U.S. officials that the eSports league met government benchmarks for a major sports league because it had clear rules and at least six teams with combined revenues of more than $10 million.



To be fair, the NHL plays about 1000 times as many games as LCS does. Five times the teams, each team plays 4 times the games. The NHL has a yearly revenue of about 3.3 Billion, I love eSports to death but I think that sort of infrastrucure is a long long ways away.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6430 Posts
August 08 2013 01:38 GMT
#3255
On August 08 2013 10:26 nojitosunrise wrote:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-online-gamers-20130808,0,2878956.story

lots of interesting stuff in this article

Show nested quote +
The games are broadcast online and draw more than 1.7 million unique viewers. A typical National Hockey League game on the NBC Sports Network last season drew a quarter of that audience.


Show nested quote +
Evans and Riot told U.S. officials that the eSports league met government benchmarks for a major sports league because it had clear rules and at least six teams with combined revenues of more than $10 million.


hmmm SK, EG, Fnatic, TSM, Dig, Curse might fit the requirement. If they include Korean teams, they can easily make that requirement.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 08 2013 01:42 GMT
#3256
well, it says "at least 6 teams".

Doesnt mean that exactly 6 teams have that revenue, they can just count every team in the us league, no?
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
August 08 2013 01:42 GMT
#3257
On August 08 2013 10:42 LaNague wrote:
well, it says "at least 6 teams".

Doesnt mean that exactly 6 teams have that revenue, they can just count every team in the us league, no?


Yeah, doesn't matter how many teams there are as long as combined they make 10 million. And I pretty sure they do.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 08 2013 01:43 GMT
#3258
I feel like Ryze is so boring now. You have to eat a ton of poke all earlygame, then you become a worse ryze late.
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 08 2013 01:44 GMT
#3259
Sort of split on this. I liked some of the randomness in GD. It forces me to read through it all so I don't get behind on the fun little tangents. Even stuff like competitive/serious pokemon talk, which I have no idea about is a nice read. GD even reminded me to watch EVO, which allowed to watch some of the most intense esports I've seen. But some of it does get excessive, but that's really a small portion of the gd.

also, everything yango said
liftlift > tsm
Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
August 08 2013 01:45 GMT
#3260
One gripe with the article,
Players pay real money for extra weapons and characters.
other than that, hats off to Riot, really glad to have them supporting their game and I wish Blizz would do the same.
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