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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:21 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Ryze was 100% op Ori is like one of the most balanced mids right now. Ori is the Mid upon which all other mids should be balanced. I can't emphasize enough how much I believe that. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:25 onlywonderboy wrote: On a none meta note... I guess ahq was eliminated from the SAE Season 3 Championship qualifiers. Pretty surprising considering how well they had been doing recently. Is there a liquipedia link to go with that? SEA gets 2 or 3 slots? On August 08 2013 15:27 cLutZ wrote: Ori is the Mid upon which all other mids should be balanced. I can't emphasize enough how much I believe that. Ori was just a cool design concept too, rather than trying to make a champion for a role. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:07 GTR wrote: riot need to do an all-stars muck-around match like the one at ti3 at the moment for the season finals. I enjoyed it, but one of the problems was that only 5 players spoke English so all the hype was focused there. Maybe regional All-Star games? I always enjoyed BWs style where they would do different things like team games, hotseat, etc. I also like how they're using Kacey in TI3. She doesn't know anything about the game, yet contributes a ton to the atmosphere. Riv 3 needs to take notes, lol. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:07 GTR wrote: riot need to do an all-stars muck-around match like the one at ti3 at the moment for the season finals. Yes yes and more yes, we were saying exactly this at the start of the showmatch when Dendi and Puppey were trash talking each other. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:07 GTR wrote: riot need to do an all-stars muck-around match like the one at ti3 at the moment for the season finals. I enjoyed that Riot's LoL All-Stars as a separate event a lot more. It was cool to see the 1v1/2v2 match ups. I wish the matches for the 1v1s/2v2s were bo3 though. It would be cool if it was more of an exhibition match against real teams rather than just randomly put together teams. That I would definitely enjoy seeing. I find it sad that the world championships is one of the few real tournaments with multiple international teams taking part in it. The TI3 All-star match was interesting, but you definitely had some people trying to win(because that's fun for them), and others taking it less seriously. I sincerely think it would have been more fun to see real drafts coming from both teams, and then the players having fun. I also don't think Tobi should have casted the game because he alienates the viewers who don't know his inside jokes or relationship with the players. I think the players themselves carried the event by far, while all Tobi contributed was to pretend to cast(just talking a lot about nothing) for a lot of the match. Let's face it, it's not always fun due to how loud he is. Considering this was one of the compendium goals(people paid for it), it was a lot of hype. There was not enough substance to actually bring forth any stories for the rest of the tournament, and it was pretty disconnected. The worst part of all of it is that there is nothing in it for these players(not even a fake trophy). There wasn't even any pride on the line. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:21 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Ryze was 100% op Ori is like one of the most balanced mids right now. I really don't understand that. What puts Ryze in a better place than other mids (before the nerfs)? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:47 Dark_Chill wrote: I really don't understand that. What puts Ryze in a better place than other mids (before the nerfs)? Tears. Also, spirit visage insanely good on him. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:46 ketchup wrote: I enjoyed that Riot's LoL All-Stars as a separate event a lot more. It was cool to see the 1v1/2v2 match ups. I wish the matches for the 1v1s/2v2s were bo3 though. It would be cool if it was more of an exhibition match against real teams rather than just randomly put together teams. That I would definitely enjoy seeing. I find it sad that the world championships is one of the few real tournaments with multiple international teams taking part in it. The TI3 All-star match was interesting, but you definitely had some people trying to win(because that's fun for them), and others taking it less seriously. I sincerely think it would have been more fun to see real drafts coming from both teams, and then the players having fun. I also don't think Tobi should have casted the game because he alienates the viewers who don't know his inside jokes or relationship with the players. I think the players themselves carried the event by far, while all Tobi contributed was to pretend to cast(just talking a lot about nothing) for a lot of the match. Let's face it, it's not always fun due to how loud he is. Considering this was one of the compendium goals(people paid for it), it was a lot of hype. There was not enough substance to actually bring forth any stories for the rest of the tournament, and it was pretty disconnected. The worst part of all of it is that there is nothing in it for these players(not even a fake trophy). There wasn't even any pride on the line. u have dendi killing puppey and flaming and vice versa what else did you expect to happen | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:50 FinestHour wrote: u have dendi killing puppey and flaming and vice versa what else did you expect to happen As I mentioned, the players CARRIED the event. They did everything, while the rest of the production staff didn't really do anything at all. As I mentioned, this event was pretty disconnected. I enjoyed that trash talking, and I enjoyed all of the players. These players brought the hype, and also got the crowd into the game. Saying all that, I don't think it was what people paid for though. I don't think people should be happy that that match was essentially one of the compendium goals. You should expect a lot more from Valve/the DotA2 team there. Valve should have put more effort into it. This last sentence phrasing is a bit awkward, and might come out worse than I intend, but I don't see a better way of putting it. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:47 Dark_Chill wrote: I really don't understand that. What puts Ryze in a better place than other mids (before the nerfs)? His weak portions of the game were not weak enough to account for his strong portions. Or, you could alternatively claim his strong portions were too strong given his lack of weaknesses. Its like if Trist's Passive ended at the same range, but started at like 600 instead of 550. OR,If Caitlyn had an AS Steroid when she put down a trap. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:54 ketchup wrote: As I mentioned, the players CARRIED the event. They did everything, while the rest of the production staff didn't really do anything at all. As I mentioned, this event was pretty disconnected. I enjoyed that trash talking, and I enjoyed all of the players. These players brought the hype, and also got the crowd into the game. Saying all that, I don't think it was what people paid for though. I don't think people should be happy that that match was essentially one of the compendium goals. You should expect a lot more from Valve/the DotA2 team there. Valve should have put more effort into it. This last sentence phrasing is a bit awkward, and might come out worse than I intend, but I don't see a better way of putting it. You're disappointed that the players carried an all-star match they were voted into? That's kind of the point isn't it? Also I cannot possibly disagree with you more about Tobi, he is the perfect caster for a game like that(and was great). | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 08 2013 13:38 Ketara wrote: I wonder how much damage Banner of Command is actually adding, it'd be interesting to see some math on the subject. Here's the math: Zyra's plants do 15% more damage. The math was hard. ^.^ On August 08 2013 14:20 SagaZ wrote: About burning Zyra, the rylai liandry is standart on her I think, elder lizard as said looks forced to fit the theme, it's the banner of command i'm interested in. How impactfull if the minion passive? does it affect other summons (elise spiderlings?)? any maths lying around about the dps increase of it vs a "normal" ap item. Also are you even going to be in passive range of your plants so is it possible gameplay wise? This math is more complicated. For the sake of simplicity we'll assume that we have two Zyra players, one with Banner of Command and one who spent that gold on pure AP (NLR + Blasting Wand), but are otherwise identical. Thus, the Banner of Command build is always 80 AP behind. We can't simply look at plant damage as Zyra has other abilities to consider. If there were only plants involved at Banner of Command would surpass the pure AP route the moment Zyra was level 12 or higher. Because we're looking at a larger picture, our equation for determining the point of equivalent damage is this: 80 AP * (Zyra's Abilty Ratios + Zyra's Plant Ratio * # of Plant Attacks = ((Total BoC Build AP) * 0.03 + 3.9 + 0.9 * Level) * # of Plant Attacks Because we're assuming the BoC build is always 80 AP behind, the Total AP for the Pure AP Build gets reduced to the 80 AP on the left side of the equation. Assuming level 18, the equation resolves likeso: 80 * (0.6 + 0.5 + 0.7 + 0.2 * # of Plant Attacks) = ((AP) * 0.03 + 3.9 + 0.9 *18) * # of Plant Attacks 80 * (1.8 + 0.2 * # of Plant Attacks) = ((AP) * 0.03 + 20.1) * # of Plant Attacks 144 + 16 * # of Plant Attacks = (0.03 AP + 20.1) * # of Plant Attacks 144 = (0.03 AP + 20.1) * # of Plant Attacks - 16 * # of Plant Attacks 144 = (0.03 AP + 4.1) * # of Plant Attacks For one plant attack to do equivalent damage, you need 4663 AP. That's fairly unreasonable. Each additional plant attack on a unique target will reduce that figure. At two attacks you need 2263 AP, at four 1063 AP, and at 8 a reasonable 463 AP. Conversely, increasing the number of targets caught in Zyra's AoE increases the AP needed, as does considering additional casts of her abilities. The end result is that Banner of Command isn't really worth it. It's amusing, and as a part of the Burning Bush Zyra build results in a deceptively tanky Zyra, but it isn't particularly spectacular offensively. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:59 red_ wrote: You're disappointed that the players carried an all-star match they were voted into? That's kind of the point isn't it? Also I cannot possibly disagree with you more about Tobi, he is the perfect caster for a game like that(and was great). Where do you see that? I'm putting my disappointing on valve. Not the players. Seriously WTF? I said multiple times that I enjoyed the players, and their interaction. As I said, for something that the community paid for, there was nothing from Valve's side aside from getting the people there(which they were there for anyways for TI3!). What did Valve add to the table that any other person couldn't do given the right circumstances(which is basically just having these players do it)? As for Tobi, I think we'll settle that on a difference of opinion. I can't really get over his style of casting, and he is sincerely too loud for me at times. I'm not really the biggest fan of yelling+speaking fast in every single team fight. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:54 ketchup wrote: As I mentioned, the players CARRIED the event. They did everything, while the rest of the production staff didn't really do anything at all. As I mentioned, this event was pretty disconnected. I enjoyed that trash talking, and I enjoyed all of the players. These players brought the hype, and also got the crowd into the game. Saying all that, I don't think it was what people paid for though. I don't think people should be happy that that match was essentially one of the compendium goals. You should expect a lot more from Valve/the DotA2 team there. Valve should have put more effort into it. ? What do you want the production staff to do? It's the all-star event, of course the players would carry it. I don't think there's a single all-star event in any sport where the players didn't carry it, except maybe the Pro Bowl, which nobody carries and it just sucks. And there's always controversy over whether an all-star game should matter or not. Some people just like seeing their players mess around, others want a hard-fought game, it is what it is. The snowball nature of these games makes it hard to mess around in the beginning and pick it up at the end, unlike basketball, where the first half is usually people styling on each other and then the 4th quarter is serious business. When Maknoon camped red, it was literally impossible for him to come back because of how much exp/gold he lost, there's just no way around it unless whoever his lane opponent was would let him back in. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On August 08 2013 16:04 ketchup wrote: Where do you see that? I'm putting my disappointing on valve. Not the players. Seriously WTF? As I said, for something that the community paid for, there was nothing from Valve's side aside from getting the people there(which they were there for anyways for TI3!). What did Valve add to the table that any other person couldn't do given the right circumstances(which is basically just having these players do it)? As for Tobi, I think we'll settle that on a difference of opinion. I can't really get over his style of casting, and he is sincerely too loud for me at times. I'm not really the biggest fan of yelling+speaking fast in every single team fight. I didn't say you were disappointed in the players, I said you seem somehow disappointed that the event is setup to be carried by them, when its entire purpose is to showcase them. If they carry the event, the event has served its purpose(showcasing the players). Valve didn't need to get involved, didn't need to add 'meaning' to the game. Maybe they could've had some cool medallion or something for the players that won, but other than that anymore involvement(and you're clearly not counting how them having an on-stage person capable of getting the fun out of the players as involvement here) risks ruining the showcase. | ||
broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On August 08 2013 15:27 wei2coolman wrote: Is there a liquipedia link to go with that? SEA gets 2 or 3 slots? Ori was just a cool design concept too, rather than trying to make a champion for a role. http://lol.gamepedia.com/Season_3_Taiwan_Regional_Finals The Taiwanese region gets one slot directly into the round of eight for the Season 3 World Championship (guaranteed by their seeding in the All Stars Championship), while the remainder of SEA gets a separate qualification round. http://lol.gamepedia.com/Season_3_Southeast_Asia_Regional_Finals I have always argued against Riot's policies involving Taiwanese teams. They are far stronger than the remainder of SEA, and have showed great results in major international tournaments (Season 2 World Championship, IPL5), but are often ignored. Riot even sabotaged the Taiwanese hopes of gaining an additional spot by forcing them to include two non-Taiwanese players in the All Stars Championship (player capabilities aside, they had by far the most language issues as far as I know, the Singaporean players didn't even know the names of the items in Chinese). I know Riot wants to get as much regional representation as possible, but the way they allocate the spots are in no shape or form a fair representation of the competitive capabilities of the regions involved. Further more, the only chance for Taiwanese region to gain more spots is plagued by the fact that Riot doesn't even allow them to represent themselves fairly, despite the fact that during the actual qualifiers, the rest of SEA are protected by the fact that no Taiwanese teams can participate in their qualfiers for the Season 3 World Championship. It's like forcing the North American all stars team to include Latin American players for the sake of regional representation despite the fact that Latin American teams have a separate route of qualification. I have always argued against it. Not a lot of people seem to care for it, really. | ||
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ETisME
12474 Posts
Seems like everyone still hating it? | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On August 08 2013 16:00 Seuss wrote: For one plant attack to do equivalent damage, you need 4663 AP. That's fairly unreasonable. Each additional plant attack on a unique target will reduce that figure. At two attacks you need 2263 AP, at four 1063 AP, and at 8 a reasonable 463 AP. Conversely, increasing the number of targets caught in Zyra's AoE increases the AP needed, as does considering additional casts of her abilities. The end result is that Banner of Command isn't really worth it. It's amusing, and as a part of the Burning Bush Zyra build results in a deceptively tanky Zyra, but it isn't particularly spectacular offensively. What do you think about some1 else getting the banner? more likely some1 that will be in the zone that the plants are. I can somewhat see elise jungle with that because she'll be in the middle of the shitstorm and the banner helps her own summons. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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