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wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
July 29 2013 01:52 GMT
#6281
friend showed me a glitch earlier with mao and thresh lantern you can throw lantern near where mao will snare and click it and he'll dash back without touching the person but the snare will hit.
BW -> League -> CSGO
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 29 2013 01:53 GMT
#6282
On July 29 2013 10:16 Nos- wrote:
Chobra is casting the OGN amateur league right now, just a notification for everyone interested


sogang has very good follow up if they survive the initiation. If they were on even gold their comp would probably destroy seoul's.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
July 29 2013 01:54 GMT
#6283
Solving the 0 RP problem seems like an application of the knapsack problem

Given a knapsack the size of your RP bank, how close to 0 RP can you get given the available units RP can be spent in.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
July 29 2013 02:10 GMT
#6284
On July 29 2013 10:52 wussleeQ wrote:
friend showed me a glitch earlier with mao and thresh lantern you can throw lantern near where mao will snare and click it and he'll dash back without touching the person but the snare will hit.


Saw that too on Reddit, interesting but I can't imagine many real uses for it, as you want to finish the W to follow up Q.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 29 2013 02:14 GMT
#6285
On July 29 2013 08:21 Mikau wrote:
On the flip side then, how likely is one to develop bad habits from playing ARAM?

Maybe it isn't beneficial to play ARAMs if I want to improve, but can or will it be detrimental?

It ruins your ability to determine damage output; since your gold/level output will be different than a regular game. You'll misjudge how much damage you're going to be able to do at certain levels.
liftlift > tsm
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 29 2013 02:19 GMT
#6286
If you want to learn teamfighting basics play Dominion not ARAM
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35146 Posts
July 29 2013 02:32 GMT
#6287
On July 29 2013 10:54 Lmui wrote:
Solving the 0 RP problem seems like an application of the knapsack problem

Given a knapsack the size of your RP bank, how close to 0 RP can you get given the available units RP can be spent in.

Simplest way I've found is using the bonus points to wipe out remainders with IP boosts.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
July 29 2013 02:33 GMT
#6288
I completely gave up heca after the Q nerf, is he still playable in that state? feels like you would burn his mana instantly. Do you max W/E instead?
Useless wet fish.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 29 2013 02:34 GMT
#6289
On July 29 2013 11:33 Capped wrote:
I completely gave up heca after the Q nerf, is he still playable in that state? feels like you would burn his mana instantly. Do you max W/E instead?

He just needs 2nd blue I think, and he won't really run into any mana issues.
liftlift > tsm
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 29 2013 04:13 GMT
#6290
On July 29 2013 06:53 WiseBagus wrote:
I have been trying to find good heroes who mesh with Liss, and Xerath, this what my bronze/silver 5's team has come up with.
Kha zix/Kennen J4 Xerath Caitlyn/Ashe Zyra (Team fight control)
Malphite Xin/Sej Lissandra Varus/MF Nami (Heavy initiation)
I am open to any criticism and hate.

Lissandra+AoE is most certainly a good teamcomp, but for AoE you probably don't want MF unless you are pretty sure you can bully a lane with it really hard. While Bullet Time is good, other ADs I find have more valuable perks; Varus has AoE of his own and one of the best waveclears in the game, Vayne has anti-splitpushing talents (something AoE comps can be vulnerable to), and most importantly, Twitch provides more AoE damage, more reliable AoE damage and if I am not mistaken generally stronger laning.
Xin can be somewhat anti-synergistic with AoE teamcomps; a more reliable followup to a Malphite initiate would be Jarvan, who also has the cake to lock enemies down. Consider picking Zac for AoE comps, he is one of the best initiators in the game. If you manage to get both Zac and Lissandra, you should go with Lissandra top and get another middle laner. Orianna is obviously the best, but you aren't likely to get her. Almost any middle laner will fit in though, from Lux to Ahri and everything inbetween.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 29 2013 04:25 GMT
#6291
Watching Bischu stream right now; his entire game is filled with fucking OGN players. Reapered, Lira, Insec, Kakao, and Ambition. Talk about insane solo queue.
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 29 2013 04:29 GMT
#6292
On July 29 2013 13:25 wei2coolman wrote:
Watching Bischu stream right now; his entire game is filled with fucking OGN players. Reapered, Lira, Insec, Kakao, and Ambition. Talk about insane solo queue.

He's duoing with Reapered, but still, that's crazy.. Having Bishu streaming from Korea is pretty cool.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
LeeDawg
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1306 Posts
July 29 2013 04:55 GMT
#6293
On July 29 2013 11:33 Capped wrote:
I completely gave up heca after the Q nerf, is he still playable in that state? feels like you would burn his mana instantly. Do you max W/E instead?


he's still super duper strong, just runs oom a lot faster in late game. not the biggest deal, but annoying
:-)
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-29 05:11:16
July 29 2013 05:07 GMT
#6294
On July 29 2013 10:05 Frudgey wrote:
Hey what role is Urgot exactly? Isn't he an anti-ADC so you take him bottom lane?

I know there is a guide for him here but it seems pretty outdated. Any recommended items for him?

Thanks in advance


Urgot is an adc, just not traditional one because he is based off his very high base damage (relatively mediocre spell scaling) so he benefits highly off arpen and cdr, and not as much from scaling. As such, his damage falls tremendously late game, and he has trouble killing tanks like a normal adc, which is somewhat offset by how tanky he is and how powerful his early/mid game is.

There's two ways to play urgot, dps urgot (doublelift style) or oldschool s2 tank (genja/a whole bunch of guys style) urgot.

In terms of items, you have two goals to hit as urgot. The first is mana pool, which is why you go tear early (double doran's into tear, normally). It is possible to go a tear-less build, where you get a fh early, but in s3 tear is more or less strictly superior.

The second is the cdr threshold to be able to hit 4 q's during your e lock-on. I forget the exact math, but i believe you run some cdr blues you can hit it off brutalizer alone + 4% masteries. If not, then you go brutal + glacial you will hit it (if tankgot) or if you go cdr boots doublelift style.

After you hit those two thresholds:

manamune is one of your core items since it adds a lot to your dps

bloodthirster is nice and if you need to do significant amounts of auto damage (the rest of your team is not high-damage dealing), is the way to go

BC is a natural progression from brutal (though admittedly I haven't tried youmou's), and the arpen is nice as is the health, but probably should be 4 or 5th item, not really worth rushing

Guardian angel rush was the way to go in s2 urgot boom, and I imagine it still has some merit because what it allows you to do with your ult, but there's no point in doing so on a dpsgot

FH is very strong for your tankgot, because the armor is strong as is the cdr (the mana helps a lot too). It especially lets you shut down the enemy ad even more, between your own passive adn the item passive

tabi is nice for tanky lane domination, cdr boots are cool too, but makes going fh not all that useful

as final items, triforce/frozen mallet/randuins/lw are cool
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
July 29 2013 05:19 GMT
#6295
Random question why is there a sonic/shadow picture on the home page
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
July 29 2013 05:34 GMT
#6296
@Vanka

Wow thanks for the in-depth reply!

Played Urgot for a few games today. I must say that his kit is a lot of fun and nailing people with Q's that lock on is great. However that being said I still have MUCH to learn as Urgot as I didn't perform well with him today at all. Mind you I have a history of not being a good ADC at all.

Looking forward to being able to play Urgot and crush ADC's who've never even heard of that... crab... thing...
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
July 29 2013 05:55 GMT
#6297
So I hit challenger in 3v3s for the 3rd time tonight. Would other Liquidians be interested in reading a 3v3 guide explaining stuff?
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
July 29 2013 06:24 GMT
#6298
On July 29 2013 14:55 Dusty wrote:
So I hit challenger in 3v3s for the 3rd time tonight. Would other Liquidians be interested in reading a 3v3 guide explaining stuff?


Ï would.
Solaris.playgu
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden480 Posts
July 29 2013 06:32 GMT
#6299
Most definately, yes!
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-29 06:37:04
July 29 2013 06:36 GMT
#6300
On July 29 2013 15:24 zodde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2013 14:55 Dusty wrote:
So I hit challenger in 3v3s for the 3rd time tonight. Would other Liquidians be interested in reading a 3v3 guide explaining stuff?


Ï would.


Yes please. I wants 3v3 :-D

Also cool about heca, i was playing him constantly then dropped him without even trying after the nerf for some reason, he got double-smacked after the ulti one so i just went "meh" and learnt J4 / Nauti.

Will pick him situationally next time i have a mid who doesnt need blue
Useless wet fish.
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