EPTthe best way to learn teamfights is playing ranked
some people find it fun but i find it boring as all hell, maybe its because i play almost exclusviely melee champs and aram is a ranged poke fest
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
the best way to learn teamfights is playing ranked some people find it fun but i find it boring as all hell, maybe its because i play almost exclusviely melee champs and aram is a ranged poke fest | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On July 29 2013 08:10 Slayer91 wrote: aram is a very poor way to do that because its like a constant poke war at tower while dragon fights and such tend to favour melees a lot more, also you have random as fuck teamcomps while nearly always in games teamcomps follow a basic structure the best way to learn teamfights is playing ranked some people find it fun but i find it boring as all hell, maybe its because i play almost exclusively melee champs and aram is a ranged poke fest Yes and no. In lower tier play, team fights almost never happen, and the fights that do happen, are based upon someone getting caught, it's very hard for one to learn team fighting if it's always mashed up in 3v4/4v5 engages where people join into the fight (mostly related to mid-game). Studying korean teams, watching how they peel, how their AP and AD position is, in my opinion, a very good way of understanding how actual 5v5 is meant to be played. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
Maybe it isn't beneficial to play ARAMs if I want to improve, but can or will it be detrimental? | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 29 2013 08:16 Sponkz wrote: Studying korean teams, watching how they peel, how their AP and AD position is, in my opinion, a very good way of understanding how actual 5v5 is meant to be played. Playing teamfights in pubs vs. in competitive is fundamentally different because of what champs can "get away with" based on how their team plays. It's actually quite clear when you watch a pubstar AD transitioning into competitive play (e.g. GodJJ when he first started playing for TPS), they very clearly don't have a handle on how much their team allows them to do in a fight. This is not an individual skill issue--as GodJJ is clearly not an inferior AD to other Asian ADs when it comes to playing pub games. Rather, it is that your expectations of your teammates when you're in perfect communication with them is just vastly different from when you are playing in solo queue. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
On July 26 2013 08:20 thenexusp wrote: After messing with numbers, you could spend 5000 RP ($35) in the following manner: 5x 487 RP (975RP skin on sale) 1x 375 RP (750RP skin on sale) 2x 260 RP (520RP skin on sale) 2x 160 RP (2-win IP boost lol) So, uh, doing some math myself. Just wanted to give you a heads up that these numbers don't actually add up at all! Did have some minor success though. Buying $25 ($10 x 2, $5 x 1) gives you 3410, which is 487x5 + 975 Alternatively, $15 ($5 x 3) gives you 1950, which is 975x2. Multiples of these obviously work as well. For anyone who hasn't done the math, the number ending in a 7 is what really limits the combinations, as the only numbers that can make it a multiple of 5 through addition are numbers that aren't a multiple of 5. These are only available in the 487 sales, a 292 sale, or the 1846 2-week IP boost. So unless you're really in need of 3 585RP champs on sale or a 2-week IP boost, then you need to buy a multiple of 5 of the 975 things on sale. 1350/675 skins becoming a common thing will probably make this less than ideal, though. Best thing I could find for those was this: $30 ($20 x 1, $10 x 1) gives 4180, which is 487x5 + 675x2(or1350x1) + 395x1 (790 champ on sale :s) Hopefully this'll help at least 1 person, although it's easy enough to work out on your own. EDIT: If you wanted to burn that 1 RP, just replace [487x5] with [487x3 + 975x1] in any of them. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 29 2013 08:08 Dandel Ion wrote: Disagree, it helps with learning general basics of teamfighting. Yup I think that it's really good at teamfight positioning, teamfight target focusing and also at picking moments to engage on vulnerable opponents and also saving teammates. Also requires adaptability because of the wacky builds. I think that ARAM is really useful for teamfighting, it's helped me out a ton. I definitely think that 2 20min ARAMs teach you more about teamfights than a single 40min ranked game where you will maybe have 1 or 2 full teamfights the entire game Oh and that RP buying stuff makes no sense, just buy the biggest bundle you can with your budget, the bonus RP are far more important than having 0 RP left over, you can also use them if you buy more RP in the future | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME BEING A CLG FAN WAS THIS HARD?!?! Also Ecco bossing Vulcan was glorious. Hilarious watching their "Boo hoo we're so underrated. We excel in picks/bans." video before watching them get bossed by the bottom team largely by being completely and utterly outpicked. VES are really starting to grow on me with Ecco and Vileroze. Hope they stay up for 2014. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 29 2013 08:58 Shikyo wrote: Yup I think that it's really good at teamfight positioning, teamfight target focusing and also at picking moments to engage on vulnerable opponents and also saving teammates. Also requires adaptability because of the wacky builds. I think that ARAM is really useful for teamfighting, it's helped me out a ton. I definitely think that 2 20min ARAMs teach you more about teamfights than a single 40min ranked game where you will maybe have 1 or 2 full teamfights the entire game Oh and that RP buying stuff makes no sense, just buy the biggest bundle you can with your budget, the bonus RP are far more important than having 0 RP left over, you can also use them if you buy more RP in the future The RP thing is for some OCD persons in the community. Also, the one huge problem with ARAM is that most of the time there isn't an all out 5v5 that starts with both at Full HP (or even close). Getting executed is far too hard. | ||
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WiseBagus
Canada452 Posts
On July 29 2013 07:44 sob3k wrote: + Show Spoiler + Well those two champs play completely different and need different comps mostly. Xerath just wants a decently tanky front line, anything that holds people in place, and anything that makes people stack up. Amumu, Cho, Darius, Diana, Jarvan, Leona, Malph, Maokai, Naut, Rammus, Sej, Sona, Thresh, Zyra, Varus Khazix/Cait bring really nothing for him unless you are running a poke comp and just going for towers (which is very dangerous if they just engage on you), xin is strait bad as he scatters people , xerath is all about how many people you can ult Lissandra needs someone to do good damage and follow up on her initiate. She works with the classic wombo combo champs just like Xerath, but they have to be able to follow her in, and need to do more damage than peel. Amumu, Fiddle, Hec, Jarvan, Malph, Riven, Rumble, trynd, Vlad, Wukong, Zac, Aaatrox, Jax, zyra So your first team doesn't make much sense to me, Kha has no synergy really, Kennen is an ok pick but basically you are saying you need to devastate a teamfight with just his and xerath ults, after that you will have no front line. I would be more inclined to go tankier, as xerath provides tons of damage. Varus is much stronger with xerath than Cait because of his CC. The second team I would def run MF over Varus for the AOE damage to follow up the initiate. Malph is ok but not especially high damage, Rumble or Wukong would be better her IMO. So it seems our team lacks knowledge about top laners. Thanks for the help! Maybe you could criticize more of our comps? Vlad Nasus Karthus HyperCarry Janna (This is more of a late game turtle comp) Elise/Malph Jarvan/Amumu Orianna Varus/MF/ Lulu/Sona ( This is another heavy wombo combo) Shen/Hec Naut Viktor Draven/Varus Nami/Leona (This is just a fun heavy CC team) | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 29 2013 09:29 mordek wrote: To my fellow MtG players, I'd like to get back into it a little (been playing Duels of the Planeswalkers) and I'd really like to booster draft. Anyone know of a free service? I don't care about keeping cards or w/e, just want to play drafts with my brothers and friends. Such good times. Tappedout and ccgdeck are both good drafting websites. Tappedout tends to be buggy more often, but I like their ui better. For playing you can download and use cockatrice, but you'll have to manually update the database which is pretty easy. You can just google that. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35145 Posts
On July 29 2013 06:24 Shikyo wrote: My chair was 100 euros and I still think it could be better. I couldn't use a 50 euro chair at all though, if I used the computer this much with a shitty chair my back would be in shambles by now. I recommend not being too stingy about it, you will be using it for a long time and it's very important for your health, one of the most important pieces of furniture you will have I'm only going up to 100 because it's all I can afford. If I had the ability to get a nicer chair than that, believe me, I would. | ||
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
I know there is a guide for him here but it seems pretty outdated. Any recommended items for him? Thanks in advance | ||
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Neverhood
United States5388 Posts
On July 29 2013 10:05 Frudgey wrote: Hey what role is Urgot exactly? Isn't he an anti-ADC so you take him bottom lane? I know there is a guide for him here but it seems pretty outdated. Any recommended items for him? Thanks in advance Manamune, BC, LW and CDR boots are core and you'll prolly need hexdrinker and/or frozen heart. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On July 29 2013 08:50 sob3k wrote: should I buy rango or is he gonna get slaughtered in the remake? He's fun right? Eh, the ult is fun, hasn't really got much else going on. If they make his R less completely stupid their replacement 'fun' mechanic is gonna have to be pretty sweet to break even. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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