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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
July 23 2013 19:29 GMT
#4441
2v1 Teemo new (unfortunate) meta.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 23 2013 19:32 GMT
#4442
On July 24 2013 04:26 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 04:20 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I think of Solo Queue like those korean tournies that Nony and Ret had to do to try earn their pro gaming license. It might be strange that you would have to play solo queue to join a 5's team, but it's very similar to BW, gotta win all those games to join a team and get paid and trained.

Except that's silly because going from a semi-pro through Courage should not be something that demands an analogous experience at low-mid levels.

The existence of a ranked mode creates a stigma around being rated and judged that results in a lot of people that pretty clearly hate the experience of playing solo queue games forcing it on themselves in order to get themselves rated. The QQ thread wouldn't be as large as it is if it people who didn't enjoy solo queue just chose not to play it.

Like, it makes no goddamn sense to me that there are all these players that only have terrible things to say about solo queue playing it all the time.

That's like saying you never play with feeders/leavers or whatever in DotA.
Not everyone can find 4 other people or a team to play with/against all of the time in DotA either, no? What do those people who only like playing arranged team games do if they want to play but can't find the requsite people or are waiting around?

I agree the emphasis of LoL players toward solo Q is strange but it's a natural progression from Riot not offering any incentive or reason to play 5s for so long in my opinion, and I don't see it as likely to change anytime soon.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
July 23 2013 19:32 GMT
#4443
If everyone stopped playing solo queue I couldn't lord my elo over them.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
July 23 2013 19:33 GMT
#4444
Good gank by Scip and DA TEEMO
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
July 23 2013 19:34 GMT
#4445
TIMMO
It's your boy Guzma!
Mauzel
Profile Joined December 2009
United States421 Posts
July 23 2013 19:34 GMT
#4446
Leavers could be a problem but the culture of Dota was largely one where, if you wanted to get good, you played inhouse games.

Esp. with how garena was set up.

I honestly have no clue whether this is the same w/ Dota2 because I never played it.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 23 2013 19:36 GMT
#4447
On July 24 2013 04:29 nafta wrote:
It's because there is nothing better to do.Finding 4 other people to play with regularly is very hard.And even if you find 4 randoms without actually knowing how they play it's not very worth to go into ranked 5-s.Soloq is just the time filler.

but its a time filler that people actually think accurately measures you potential as a player.

take Flame for example in the korean scene, he was a moderately ranked solo queue player. brought onto CJ, he spends 3 months with a team practicing and accelerates from the worst top player in pro korea to the best. It wasn't solo queue showing that he was in fact the best, it was his practice and play with his team.

solo queue means nothing and should be accepted as nothing but a fun mode you get to be ranked in. being good at solo queue =/= being good in a team game. HotshotGG has reached the top of solo queue before, it doesn't mean he's a better top laner than flame, who has not.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
July 23 2013 19:37 GMT
#4448
Bloodthirsty Nami!
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 23 2013 19:38 GMT
#4449
On July 24 2013 04:36 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 04:29 nafta wrote:
It's because there is nothing better to do.Finding 4 other people to play with regularly is very hard.And even if you find 4 randoms without actually knowing how they play it's not very worth to go into ranked 5-s.Soloq is just the time filler.

but its a time filler that people actually think accurately measures you potential as a player.

take Flame for example in the korean scene, he was a moderately ranked solo queue player. brought onto CJ, he spends 3 months with a team practicing and accelerates from the worst top player in pro korea to the best. It wasn't solo queue showing that he was in fact the best, it was his practice and play with his team.

solo queue means nothing and should be accepted as nothing but a fun mode you get to be ranked in. being good at solo queue =/= being good in a team game. HotshotGG has reached the top of solo queue before, it doesn't mean he's a better top laner than flame, who has not.

Theres a lot more counter example though.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 23 2013 19:38 GMT
#4450
That's a pretty early Homeguard enchantment on Syndra.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 23 2013 19:38 GMT
#4451
Those are pretty much my thoughts yeah.However you should be able to reach a respectable ranking.Since everyone claims to be pro level in this game and you are looking for 1 person in a team if you had a choice between a silver and diamond player you'd tryout the diamond first every time.
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
July 23 2013 19:39 GMT
#4452
On July 24 2013 04:25 kyarisan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 04:00 thenexusp wrote:
On July 24 2013 03:49 Requizen wrote:
Well if I had landed that web dev job with them I'd've cleaned it up for y'all, but my PHP wasn't up to spec for Solomid. Alas, no eSports job for Req still.

PHP is a terrible language and it should die in a pit


For example, what is the output of:

$count=0
for ($i='a'; $i<='z'; $i++) {
$count++
}
echo $count


+ Show Spoiler +
675

'z'++ in php evaluates to 'aa', which is less than 'z'. The loop continues going with $i being set to 'aa', 'ab', 'ac', etc. until it finally gets to 'zz', and 'zz'>'z'.

EDIT: I think I'm off by 1, but I don't have a PHP interpreter on me so someone double-check my work



676! but the real question is why are you using strings as iterators anyway?

Wouldn't it be 702? AA to ZZ is 26*26 but you have to add in A_ to Z_ for another 26. (26 * 26) + 26 = 702
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
July 23 2013 19:39 GMT
#4453
On July 24 2013 04:36 PrinceXizor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 04:29 nafta wrote:
It's because there is nothing better to do.Finding 4 other people to play with regularly is very hard.And even if you find 4 randoms without actually knowing how they play it's not very worth to go into ranked 5-s.Soloq is just the time filler.

but its a time filler that people actually think accurately measures you potential as a player.

take Flame for example in the korean scene, he was a moderately ranked solo queue player. brought onto CJ, he spends 3 months with a team practicing and accelerates from the worst top player in pro korea to the best. It wasn't solo queue showing that he was in fact the best, it was his practice and play with his team.

solo queue means nothing and should be accepted as nothing but a fun mode you get to be ranked in. being good at solo queue =/= being good in a team game. HotshotGG has reached the top of solo queue before, it doesn't mean he's a better top laner than flame, who has not.

It does measure your potential as a player to some degree.
Being good on a team means you will be good in solo Q, but it's not necessarily the other way around.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 23 2013 19:42 GMT
#4454
oh god them b'ing in that bush was so stressful
Mauzel
Profile Joined December 2009
United States421 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 19:45:59
July 23 2013 19:42 GMT
#4455
On July 24 2013 04:38 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 04:36 PrinceXizor wrote:
On July 24 2013 04:29 nafta wrote:
It's because there is nothing better to do.Finding 4 other people to play with regularly is very hard.And even if you find 4 randoms without actually knowing how they play it's not very worth to go into ranked 5-s.Soloq is just the time filler.

but its a time filler that people actually think accurately measures you potential as a player.

take Flame for example in the korean scene, he was a moderately ranked solo queue player. brought onto CJ, he spends 3 months with a team practicing and accelerates from the worst top player in pro korea to the best. It wasn't solo queue showing that he was in fact the best, it was his practice and play with his team.

solo queue means nothing and should be accepted as nothing but a fun mode you get to be ranked in. being good at solo queue =/= being good in a team game. HotshotGG has reached the top of solo queue before, it doesn't mean he's a better top laner than flame, who has not.

Theres a lot more counter example though.


Counter example? A counter example here would be someone who was trained by a pro team from a relatively unremarkable ranking but failed despite training with superior players. Are there really more players who have done that?

Edit: I a word.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
July 23 2013 19:43 GMT
#4456
good at soloq != good on a team, but bad at soloq === bad on a team
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 19:44:50
July 23 2013 19:44 GMT
#4457
On July 24 2013 04:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 04:26 TheYango wrote:
On July 24 2013 04:20 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
I think of Solo Queue like those korean tournies that Nony and Ret had to do to try earn their pro gaming license. It might be strange that you would have to play solo queue to join a 5's team, but it's very similar to BW, gotta win all those games to join a team and get paid and trained.

Except that's silly because going from a semi-pro through Courage should not be something that demands an analogous experience at low-mid levels.

The existence of a ranked mode creates a stigma around being rated and judged that results in a lot of people that pretty clearly hate the experience of playing solo queue games forcing it on themselves in order to get themselves rated. The QQ thread wouldn't be as large as it is if it people who didn't enjoy solo queue just chose not to play it.

Like, it makes no goddamn sense to me that there are all these players that only have terrible things to say about solo queue playing it all the time.

That's like saying you never play with feeders/leavers or whatever in DotA.
Not everyone can find 4 other people or a team to play with/against all of the time in DotA either, no? What do those people who only like playing arranged team games do if they want to play but can't find the requsite people or are waiting around?

I agree the emphasis of LoL players toward solo Q is strange but it's a natural progression from Riot not offering any incentive or reason to play 5s for so long in my opinion, and I don't see it as likely to change anytime soon.

They play in stacks (the equivalent of blind normals) or they play in-house leagues, in which everybody kinda knows each other so that they're not on a ladder with everybody in the world.

If blind normals in 3/4 stacks was your preferred play mode and you were actually quite good at it, and then you wanted to join a competitive team, you would get rebuffed because you don't have a good solo q rating. Hell, that's my preferred play mode and sometimes I can't argue with certain people about strategy because my solo Q rank is too low and they won't accept any other credential besides that.
Mauzel
Profile Joined December 2009
United States421 Posts
July 23 2013 19:44 GMT
#4458
That Teemo juke was sick.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 23 2013 19:45 GMT
#4459
Teemo is being sacrificed to bait Tryndamere and Jarvan every single time.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
July 23 2013 19:46 GMT
#4460
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