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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 18:24:58
July 23 2013 18:23 GMT
#4341
On July 24 2013 03:15 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 03:09 cLutZ wrote:
Eve is the craziest. I can't believe they pulled off basically the 0-tank comp.

Wut. You realise that Wukong gets up to +40 armour/MR when a teamfight break out and had BC+Randuin's+Hexdrinker's shield for HP, right?
Scip also went very tanky on Evelynn (I guess you still play your CDR glyphs so less MR than most?) with the Locket+Bulwark, considering how huge a shield she gets if her ult hits several people.
Rumble went Liandry's+Rylai's so a bunch of HP, and warden's mail after this (dunno if he finished Randuin's, he had a Zhonya's by the end tho, he had a metric fuckton of armour and his shield on top of it).

Lulu maxed E first (I do it last, dunno it the common order is 2nd or 3rd for it) so in the midgame they had another decent shield for all those champs with big resistances.

They were actually way tankier than it seemed.


Oh I understand. Nothing is more annoying than the Eve who gets a 4/5 man ult off an has like the HP bar of a Mundo. I just get haunted by games where I Eve jungled and we have like Rumble + TF Solo, of last time I remember it was Rengar + Katarina. We only pulled that one off by abusing double stealth to pick off the poor varus.

On July 24 2013 03:21 TheYango wrote:
I think everyone's forgotten how hard it is to actually find meaningful information in this game. The guy got a ton of responses saying "watch streams", read things, etc.

Did you guys forget how big League is now? How much absolute junk there is out there? There's not even a solo queue ladder page on the League main site now, so unless you already have an idea of who's who, you have zero clue who to watch, who to listen to, and who's spouting bullshit. You could waste hours looking for information and turn up a bunch of trash advice that's actually counterproductive to your learning because a ton of it's wrong.

This is why he wants to be able to play with/against better players.


Also, Mobafire. Christ, people still sometimes call eve jungle a troll pick.
Freeeeeeedom
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 23 2013 18:26 GMT
#4342
How are varus/sona losing to ez/nami already wtf......
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 23 2013 18:27 GMT
#4343
Mobafire's top guide taught me to max Shunpo first, go Gunblade -> Rylai, and then max out CDR on pre-rework Katarina when I started out.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
July 23 2013 18:28 GMT
#4344
Does anyone know if Brokenshard lived abroad for an extensive amount of time or went to an international school?
His english is so fluent and natural. Unless I didn't know that Israelis are english gods.

dat malph
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 18:30:18
July 23 2013 18:29 GMT
#4345
dat malph indeed

Scipeaus: A very annoying little rascal.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 23 2013 18:31 GMT
#4346
On July 24 2013 03:28 AsnSensation wrote:
Does anyone know if Brokenshard lived abroad for an extensive amount of time or went to an international school?
His english is so fluent and natural. Unless I didn't know that Israelis are english gods.

dat malph

I would say Israelis generally have pretty good English.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 23 2013 18:31 GMT
#4347
Oh God, that bubble was telegraphed, and Varus still willingly ate it to get one cs. Not sure if worth it.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
July 23 2013 18:32 GMT
#4348
On July 24 2013 02:57 TheYango wrote:
I just went back and read the XilDarkz discussion, and holy shit TL LoL GD you guys are all in the wrong here.

The guy's not saying he expects to get carried by people better than him. He's not even saying he deserves to win games that he isn't winning. He's saying that if you are matched into a game where the skill level is above your own, it is easier to see your mistakes than when you are matched into one below you. And you know what? HE'S RIGHT. You learn more from playing against people who shitstomp you because they punish your mistakes more.

You guys just mistook him for another solo queue whiner without actually reading what he had to say.

Probably the best experience I had learning how to lane in this game was getting absolutely crushed in TL Inhouses 1v1 mid by EzPz. I know 5HIT mirrors this experience as well. Getting to play against players vastly better than you is a huge boon to your learning, and it IS unfortunate that there aren't avenues for players to do this in LoL.

Completely agree with you on playing against better plays improves your play. But I would disagree with there not being avenues to do this. Even Liquid Party we can get a inhouse going. Or just asking someone in LiquidParty to play with you and give you some tips.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 18:36:44
July 23 2013 18:35 GMT
#4349
On July 24 2013 03:21 TheYango wrote:
I think everyone's forgotten how hard it is to actually find meaningful information in this game. The guy got a ton of responses saying "watch streams", read things, etc.

Did you guys forget how big League is now? How much absolute junk there is out there? There's not even a solo queue ladder page on the League main site now, so unless you already have an idea of who's who, you have zero clue who to watch, who to listen to, and who's spouting bullshit. You could waste hours looking for information and turn up a bunch of trash advice that's actually counterproductive to your learning because a ton of it's wrong.

This is why he wants to be able to play with/against better players.

Lolking can sort streams based on Elo.

But at the same time even D1/Challenger elo players can do really stupid things. All the Zed's I've seen in the last month have rushed bruta when it doesn't make any sense on him anymore (E CD being at 4s means you need 25% CDR to get 2 Es off during his ult, which is pretty much the only reason why you needed CDR in the first place).

League is a pretty easy to understand game, and most ressources ARE around there : you can find every number and item description on tons of sites. Honestly the most I've learned about LoL I've learned it reading Leaguepedia.

And there ARE sites with quality content. Solomid being the best, I think.
The legend of Darien lives on
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
July 23 2013 18:36 GMT
#4350
SCIP WITH THE NINJA VANISH
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 23 2013 18:36 GMT
#4351
Sneaky Scip.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
July 23 2013 18:36 GMT
#4352
That escape from Scip, wtf
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
July 23 2013 18:37 GMT
#4353
I don't know about inhouses because I've only played a couple, but a lot of reasons why that concept dies is usually for two reasons. One is that the high-level player gets bored because he's noobstomping and no one is really getting better, and the second is because people start to have attitude problems.

The noobstomping thing was a problem when I played fighting games locally. There were certain people I'd destroy and it'd just get boring playing them, so my friends and I stopped showing up. Then all the bad players didn't want to go because they couldn't play with good players, whether it was a skill thing or a social thing. Then nobody showed up.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 23 2013 18:38 GMT
#4354
Very weird that he gets a golem instead of aegis other team has so much magic damage >.>.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 23 2013 18:39 GMT
#4355
A bit surprised by the farm, I kinda expect Syndra to be very annoying to Orianna from what I played of the match-up. Shorter cooldown, higher base damage and longer range on Q makes her super annoying to deal with when you're trying to last hit.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 18:42:39
July 23 2013 18:40 GMT
#4356
On July 24 2013 03:35 mr_tolkien wrote:
Lolking can sort streams based on Elo.

But at the same time even D1/Challenger elo players can do really stupid things. All the Zed's I've seen in the last month have rushed bruta when it doesn't make any sense on him anymore (E CD being at 4s means you need 25% CDR to get 2 Es off during his ult, which is pretty much the only reason why you needed CDR in the first place).

League is a pretty easy to understand game, and most ressources ARE around there : you can find every number and item description on tons of sites. Honestly the most I've learned about LoL I've learned it reading Leaguepedia.

And there ARE sites with quality content. Solomid being the best, I think.

If any of these resources actually stood out then they would be good. They stand out because we know of the significance of Solomid as a site.

But if you're an average bronze/silver lowbie looking to improve and who has no knowledge of the professional scene, what at an intrinsic level makes Solomid stand out compared to something like Mobafire? To us, opinions and content on Solomid hold weight because of its association with a historically somewhat-successful professional team, but you have to KNOW that for Solomid to stand out. How do you actually *break into* the game to a point where you can even get started?

It's totally different from Starcraft, where from day 1, TeamLiquid was the end-all-be-all place to go. So for someone who expects that, it's extremely disorienting how dispersed meaningful information about the game is.
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Mauzel
Profile Joined December 2009
United States421 Posts
July 23 2013 18:40 GMT
#4357
On July 24 2013 03:32 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 02:57 TheYango wrote:
I just went back and read the XilDarkz discussion, and holy shit TL LoL GD you guys are all in the wrong here.

The guy's not saying he expects to get carried by people better than him. He's not even saying he deserves to win games that he isn't winning. He's saying that if you are matched into a game where the skill level is above your own, it is easier to see your mistakes than when you are matched into one below you. And you know what? HE'S RIGHT. You learn more from playing against people who shitstomp you because they punish your mistakes more.

You guys just mistook him for another solo queue whiner without actually reading what he had to say.

Probably the best experience I had learning how to lane in this game was getting absolutely crushed in TL Inhouses 1v1 mid by EzPz. I know 5HIT mirrors this experience as well. Getting to play against players vastly better than you is a huge boon to your learning, and it IS unfortunate that there aren't avenues for players to do this in LoL.

Completely agree with you on playing against better plays improves your play. But I would disagree with there not being avenues to do this. Even Liquid Party we can get a inhouse going. Or just asking someone in LiquidParty to play with you and give you some tips.



As it is, I don't think anyone suggested LiquidParty (if it was, it was suggested once maybe?) and it's certainly not obvious that this is Liquid Party's purpose. Definitely hard for someone new to come to these forums and figure out that's where they need to go.

I think something like a once monthy or biweekly "Duo with a Diamond TL LoL Player" would make this clear. None of the whining about losing to tryhard diamond players because that's all you're going to get.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 18:42:34
July 23 2013 18:42 GMT
#4358
On July 24 2013 03:40 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2013 03:35 mr_tolkien wrote:
Lolking can sort streams based on Elo.

But at the same time even D1/Challenger elo players can do really stupid things. All the Zed's I've seen in the last month have rushed bruta when it doesn't make any sense on him anymore (E CD being at 4s means you need 25% CDR to get 2 Es off during his ult, which is pretty much the only reason why you needed CDR in the first place).

League is a pretty easy to understand game, and most ressources ARE around there : you can find every number and item description on tons of sites. Honestly the most I've learned about LoL I've learned it reading Leaguepedia.

And there ARE sites with quality content. Solomid being the best, I think.

If any of these resources actually stood out then they would be good. They stand out because we know of the significance of Solomid as a site.

But if you're an average bronze/silver lowbie looking to improve and who has no knowledge of the professional scene, what at an intrinsic level makes Solomid stand out compared to something like Mobafire? How do you actually *break into* the game to a point where you can even get started?

It's totally different from Starcraft, where from day 1, TeamLiquid was the end-all-be-all place to go. So for someone who expects that, it's extremely disorienting how dispersed meaningful information about the game is.

The page layout.
You only need to stay three seconds on mobafire to know it's crap because it's so god damn ugly.

(At least that was my reflexion when I started playing LoL)
The legend of Darien lives on
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 23 2013 18:42 GMT
#4359
Syndra y u no DFG ;_; That was a kill on Ori.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 23 2013 18:43 GMT
#4360
I actually think Solomid's page layout is pretty awful too.
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