• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 03:25
CET 09:25
KST 17:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)15Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1829
StarCraft 2
General
Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets When will we find out if there are more tournament SC2 Spotted on the EWC 2026 list?
Tourneys
SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced WardiTV Winter Cup
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Potential ASL qualifier breakthroughs?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Physical Exercise (HIIT) Bef…
TrAiDoS
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1468 users

[Patch 3.09: Spirit Guard Udyr Patch] General Discussion -…

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 157 158 159 160 161 339 Next
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
July 19 2013 22:05 GMT
#3161
On July 20 2013 06:58 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 06:45 remedium wrote:
On July 20 2013 06:41 FinestHour wrote:
do the [BUNCH OF KIDS THAT DONT BUILD WIDOW MINES CANT PLAY PHANTOM LANCER THINK ZED IS UNDERPOWERED] not know how to play elise properly
cuz that shit warrants a lot more attention


Fixed 4 you.

Zed isn't particularly strong atm...

maybe that's the point and Im really stupid LOL


It was a super vague copy/paste of his signature, which I think [gg if it wasn't] was said by a Riot-affiliated person.

While I have you here, stream some Rammus with some proper #hype so your boy doesn't get Tier-4'd by some random diamond jungler.
Stay positive!
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
July 19 2013 22:05 GMT
#3162
On July 20 2013 05:02 Slusher wrote:
Well as far as I can tell (and I'm no expert) the reason Nature's Profit works is because of things like teleport scrolls and BT's even though his "Gate" has a ~20 sec cd and is true global. I don't see how you could put either of those items in to LoL without some serious (read non-mid season) changes.

So they'll probly just go Nocturne on him which is kinda sad to me, but mabye ok for the game.

I also don't like how Riot has been gradually been moving away from team buffs J4 flag getting nerfed over and over, incoming proposed bulwark nerfs and now this. I think stuff like auras and buffs add more depth to champion select, but then who knows at the start of s3 they said they don't like skill being involved in picking.


I think it's kinda shitty that the champions aren't really compensated for the massive nerfs. Most champions, even at the height of their OP-ness, had some sort of counter.

Ever since S3 changes I've been turned off playing LoL because of the way Riot is doing their patching. I didn't like most of the remakes since S3, and they're taking away very unique aspects of champions. The game is becoming more and more homogenous as time goes on, or at least it feels that way for me. I guess that can make games more even in blind pick, but I like a system where counterpicks exist.

Riot has the right goal with balancing champions, but the wrong methods. They are taking away too much variety and champion identity.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 22:24:18
July 19 2013 22:14 GMT
#3163
That tier list you posted is surprisingly accurate imo. I think he overvalues Udyr's early aggression and doesn't emphasise enough just how steeply he falls down, also after the last nerf Hecarim is more or less a joke I think, but other than that it's pretty accurate. I have hard time thinking of a time when I'd want to pick Rammus over Elise/Eve/Nunu/Zac given we picked properly before that.

Also, don't go Spirit of the Spectral Wrath on Nunu. I understand that he wants to give people some room for their own opinions, but no.
Also, Lizard on Eve is awesome. He didn't mention that.
Also, superboots are pretty terrible. Don't do them.

but yeah, surprisingly good for a no name dia2 guy.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
July 19 2013 22:27 GMT
#3164
I feel like a huge global mobility team would be godlike, but ive never seen people run it.

Imagine picking up TF/Shen/Panth O.o

Who else has huge global presence? Karthus / soraka? Run TF ADC :-D
Useless wet fish.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 19 2013 22:28 GMT
#3165
On July 20 2013 06:58 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 06:45 remedium wrote:
On July 20 2013 06:41 FinestHour wrote:
do the [BUNCH OF KIDS THAT DONT BUILD WIDOW MINES CANT PLAY PHANTOM LANCER THINK ZED IS UNDERPOWERED] not know how to play elise properly
cuz that shit warrants a lot more attention


Fixed 4 you.

Zed isn't particularly strong atm...

maybe that's the point and Im really stupid LOL


ya thats the joke
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
July 19 2013 22:28 GMT
#3166
I remember seeing TF/Shen/Nocturne in Korea but I don't recall when.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 22:32:03
July 19 2013 22:29 GMT
#3167
problem with TF+Shen+Panth is that there are only 2 solo lanes :D
TF+Shen is not that bad at all, it's kind of a all eggs one basket kind of deal, I wouldn't pick it proactively though, only after enemy has picked an aggresive duo lane. If they laneswap in response, that's fine, more towers down = globals stronger. But it's too fragile against defensive duo lanes imo.

Support Panth is a Malunoo-soloQ-Scip-took-my-jungle-again thing. Don't think it's actually legitimate though.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
July 19 2013 22:30 GMT
#3168
On July 20 2013 07:29 Scip wrote:
problem with TF+Shen+Panth is that there are only 2 solo lanes :D

One can always Jungle, I also thought Support TF/Panth was some stupidly-niche thing?
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 22:33:27
July 19 2013 22:31 GMT
#3169
Well panth / shen are somewhat-viable junglers.

It just you can so quickly throw pressure on a lane (i guess wherever the duo lane is) and turn ganks on their head.

With tf/shen/panth you could literally have a 5 man going on within 5 seconds lol

BRO, I SAW PANTH JUNGLE IN AN LCS GAME. ITS LEGIT D-:
Useless wet fish.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 19 2013 22:32 GMT
#3170
noooooo
no
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3242 Posts
July 19 2013 22:32 GMT
#3171
Gold league, sona goes 0 3 0 at 4 40ish and dc's comes back at 20 min surrender time saying "sorry got dced, only lost 2 points thought " how are these people not yet banned?
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 19 2013 22:34 GMT
#3172
I have seen a tank fiddlestix jungle in LCS games, more than one. Pantheon has no qualities that would make him a desirable jungler.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
July 19 2013 22:35 GMT
#3173
Nintendudex doesnt count, he's an idiot :p
Useless wet fish.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 22:36:25
July 19 2013 22:36 GMT
#3174
The thing is, past 2 globals, it becomes a lot less useful to have more of them, because once you're split-pushing 2 lanes and defending a 3rd, wtf are the remaining people going to do that needs a global, bumbling around uselessly in the jungle?
Moderator
Antyee
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1011 Posts
July 19 2013 22:38 GMT
#3175
On July 20 2013 07:32 misirlou wrote:
Gold league, sona goes 0 3 0 at 4 40ish and dc's comes back at 20 min surrender time saying "sorry got dced, only lost 2 points thought " how are these people not yet banned?

Getting banned for getting dc-ed, or not being depressed about losing?
Not being good at the game, and getting disconnected aren't punishable as far as I know.
"My spoon is too big."
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
July 19 2013 22:39 GMT
#3176
Hey guys I need your help:

I can't decide whether or not I want Jax or Mordekaiser next.

They both seem fun, but I don't know who'll be more fun.

Fun time is serous business. Gotta maximize that fun time.

Poll: Jax or Mordekaiser?

Castlevania (7)
 
30%

Mordekaiser (5)
 
22%

Swain? (4)
 
17%

General Discussion Thread (4)
 
17%

Jax (3)
 
13%

23 total votes

Your vote: Jax or Mordekaiser?

(Vote): Jax
(Vote): Mordekaiser
(Vote): Swain?
(Vote): General Discussion Thread
(Vote): Castlevania



It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
July 19 2013 22:40 GMT
#3177
I figured its more of a constant pressure thing, your able to turn shit on its head in an instant sure, but you can also make plays with others and still have a global available to keep people on their toes. You essentially force the other team to play like bitches untill lategame.

Having people able to fly around the map at a moments notice isnt a bad thing, allows you to capitalize on any mistakes. I can see it being really useful myself.

Maybe im wrong, just thinking of the horror of watching a panth circle, shen TP and a little eye of above my head all at the same time
Useless wet fish.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 19 2013 22:45 GMT
#3178
Nasus Tier 3 because comp specific?
Carrilord has arrived.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 19 2013 22:48 GMT
#3179
Generally not that strong
His CC is pretty meh for a bruiser who has no jumps nor gapcloser, his dmg is pretty decent later on thanks to ultimate, he has another narrow niche thanks to his good waveclear, but he just isn't generally good at anything much.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
July 19 2013 22:49 GMT
#3180
On July 20 2013 07:34 Scip wrote:
I have seen a tank fiddlestix jungle in LCS games, more than one. Pantheon has no qualities that would make him a desirable jungler.


Strong duelist/great early + Lizard is pretty good on him. You are obv the expert jungler here, but I think Panth has some potential.

Prev 1 157 158 159 160 161 339 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 35m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft453
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 57756
Sea 1051
actioN 238
Mong 174
Dewaltoss 87
sorry 76
ggaemo 74
Shuttle 62
Mind 59
Hyun 48
[ Show more ]
ZergMaN 39
Nal_rA 31
Noble 14
GoRush 10
NotJumperer 8
Sharp 7
Soma 1
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm111
League of Legends
JimRising 668
C9.Mang0411
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss36
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King136
Other Games
summit1g9395
ceh9312
minikerr30
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2535
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Sammyuel 26
• LUISG 19
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1533
• Jankos584
• Stunt369
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
1h 35m
OSC
3h 35m
Jumy vs sebesdes
Nicoract vs GgMaChine
ReBellioN vs MaNa
Lemon vs TriGGeR
Gerald vs Cure
Creator vs SHIN
OSC
1d 3h
All Star Teams
1d 17h
INnoVation vs soO
Serral vs herO
Cure vs Solar
sOs vs Scarlett
Classic vs Clem
Reynor vs Maru
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
All Star Teams
2 days
MMA vs DongRaeGu
Rogue vs Oliveira
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
OSC
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-14
Big Gabe Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W4
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.