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On June 17 2013 03:16 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 03:04 Kaniol wrote:
Haven't been playing LoL since ~ Jayce got released, can anyone explain to me what happenned to Shyv and Mundo that they basically disappeared from the game? Mostly shifts in the meta game more than anything. But they did nerf the crap out of Shy W, lowered her base armor and attack speed as well. Her early clear is actually much rougher than say a Nautilus or Sejuani now. Basically support junglers just fit better with the current farm allocation and put out a lot more map pressure. Who you more scared of ganking you? A Lee Sin with relatively no farm or a Shyvana?
For S2 i'd say both :D And come on Riot, S2 support junglers were already popular enough :/
On June 17 2013 03:12 Slayer91 wrote:
no that happened as well
warmogs used to give over 1300 hp
shyvana used to get like 50 resists at lvl 16 with ult
randuins warmogs were both much better lategame
shyvana and mundo also both got nerfs
Yeah, i agree that both of them really liked HP items, thats sad to hear. I also see that Udyr's turtle stance no longer lets him leech mana T.T
And TF's global teleport still not back to his E :x
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On June 17 2013 03:16 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 03:04 Kaniol wrote:
Haven't been playing LoL since ~ Jayce got released, can anyone explain to me what happenned to Shyv and Mundo that they basically disappeared from the game? Mostly shifts in the meta game more than anything. But they did nerf the crap out of Shy W, lowered her base armor and attack speed as well. Her early clear is actually much rougher than say a Nautilus or Sejuani now. Basically support junglers just fit better with the current farm allocation and put out a lot more map pressure. Who you more scared of ganking you? A Lee Sin with relatively no farm or a Shyvana?
I feel that the current meta favours early aggression and tower pushing. It's hard to do this as Shyvana or Mundo who has little range, little poke, and little or no CC.
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On June 17 2013 03:41 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 03:16 iCanada wrote:On June 17 2013 03:04 Kaniol wrote:
Haven't been playing LoL since ~ Jayce got released, can anyone explain to me what happenned to Shyv and Mundo that they basically disappeared from the game? Mostly shifts in the meta game more than anything. But they did nerf the crap out of Shy W, lowered her base armor and attack speed as well. Her early clear is actually much rougher than say a Nautilus or Sejuani now. Basically support junglers just fit better with the current farm allocation and put out a lot more map pressure. Who you more scared of ganking you? A Lee Sin with relatively no farm or a Shyvana? I feel that the current meta favours early aggression and tower pushing. It's hard to do this as Shyvana or Mundo who has little range, little poke, and little or no CC.
Taking towers and hard pushing would be map pressure, yes.
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Both of them were completely centered around heavy early aggression.
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On June 17 2013 03:50 Craton wrote:
Both of them were completely centered around heavy early aggression.
Maybe I just played Mundo wrong, but I liked to farm till I was like level 4-5 and then overgank whichever lane was behind. Mundo always been kind of sketchy early game imo.
On Shy though I'd be really aggressive early. Always in enemy jungle, forcing fighgts to come to me because when shy actually fight she wins.
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On June 17 2013 03:50 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 03:41 Sufficiency wrote:On June 17 2013 03:16 iCanada wrote:On June 17 2013 03:04 Kaniol wrote:
Haven't been playing LoL since ~ Jayce got released, can anyone explain to me what happenned to Shyv and Mundo that they basically disappeared from the game? Mostly shifts in the meta game more than anything. But they did nerf the crap out of Shy W, lowered her base armor and attack speed as well. Her early clear is actually much rougher than say a Nautilus or Sejuani now. Basically support junglers just fit better with the current farm allocation and put out a lot more map pressure. Who you more scared of ganking you? A Lee Sin with relatively no farm or a Shyvana? I feel that the current meta favours early aggression and tower pushing. It's hard to do this as Shyvana or Mundo who has little range, little poke, and little or no CC. Taking towers and hard pushing would be map pressure, yes.
I am not disagreeing with you. I just quoted the wrong person. Sowwie~
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On June 17 2013 01:37 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 01:30 ketchup wrote:Have people seen this? It's a bit too long to copy and quote here, so I'll link it. More solid info on the Xerath changes coming up. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=38786873#post38786873I will quote this though: Passive
Xerath's passive provides early game mana regen, plus bonus spell penetration as he purchases mana items. This gives him early game sustain, allowing him to farm into a large-game mage hypercarry if left unchecked. I'm really scared of this. I don't see how this is safe to do. On June 16 2013 23:52 Letmelose wrote:
Rumour has it Helios has been kicked out of CJ Entus Blaze, it seems that Helios has changed his employment status on his Facebook page, which has caught the eye of numerous Korean netizens. With all these changes going on before the start of the summer season, some roster changes for the CJ Entus franchise are certainly not out of the realms of possibility. Secondly, Helios being kicked out seems odd. He was a big part of the reason they won against Frost. It also helped that their bot lane played at a higher level than before. Does Helios make the calls in the team? It might make sense of that's the case, but it's still very odd/surprising. Seems like his stun might be a little harder to hit if the skillshot doesn't go through minions, a change worth noting.
Not sure where you are getting this, but it's still a guaranteed stun unlike before.
E)
The new "E" has all of the old range W gave to Mage Chains baked in baseline, plus its now a skillshot missile that stuns,
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On June 17 2013 04:20 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 01:37 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 17 2013 01:30 ketchup wrote:Have people seen this? It's a bit too long to copy and quote here, so I'll link it. More solid info on the Xerath changes coming up. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=38786873#post38786873I will quote this though: Passive
Xerath's passive provides early game mana regen, plus bonus spell penetration as he purchases mana items. This gives him early game sustain, allowing him to farm into a large-game mage hypercarry if left unchecked. I'm really scared of this. I don't see how this is safe to do. On June 16 2013 23:52 Letmelose wrote:
Rumour has it Helios has been kicked out of CJ Entus Blaze, it seems that Helios has changed his employment status on his Facebook page, which has caught the eye of numerous Korean netizens. With all these changes going on before the start of the summer season, some roster changes for the CJ Entus franchise are certainly not out of the realms of possibility. Secondly, Helios being kicked out seems odd. He was a big part of the reason they won against Frost. It also helped that their bot lane played at a higher level than before. Does Helios make the calls in the team? It might make sense of that's the case, but it's still very odd/surprising. Seems like his stun might be a little harder to hit if the skillshot doesn't go through minions, a change worth noting. Not sure where you are getting this, but it's still a guaranteed stun unlike before. Show nested quote +E)
The new "E" has all of the old range W gave to Mage Chains baked in baseline, plus its now a skillshot missile that stuns,
His current E is point and click and the stun is triggered when the enemy is hit with another one of his spells, that sounds different than a skillshot missile that stuns.
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On June 17 2013 04:27 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 04:20 ketchup wrote:On June 17 2013 01:37 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 17 2013 01:30 ketchup wrote:Have people seen this? It's a bit too long to copy and quote here, so I'll link it. More solid info on the Xerath changes coming up. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=38786873#post38786873I will quote this though: Passive
Xerath's passive provides early game mana regen, plus bonus spell penetration as he purchases mana items. This gives him early game sustain, allowing him to farm into a large-game mage hypercarry if left unchecked. I'm really scared of this. I don't see how this is safe to do. On June 16 2013 23:52 Letmelose wrote:
Rumour has it Helios has been kicked out of CJ Entus Blaze, it seems that Helios has changed his employment status on his Facebook page, which has caught the eye of numerous Korean netizens. With all these changes going on before the start of the summer season, some roster changes for the CJ Entus franchise are certainly not out of the realms of possibility. Secondly, Helios being kicked out seems odd. He was a big part of the reason they won against Frost. It also helped that their bot lane played at a higher level than before. Does Helios make the calls in the team? It might make sense of that's the case, but it's still very odd/surprising. Seems like his stun might be a little harder to hit if the skillshot doesn't go through minions, a change worth noting. Not sure where you are getting this, but it's still a guaranteed stun unlike before. E)
The new "E" has all of the old range W gave to Mage Chains baked in baseline, plus its now a skillshot missile that stuns, His current E is point and click and the stun is triggered when the enemy is hit with another one of his spells, that sounds different than a skillshot missile that stuns.
Ah, my fault. I was imaging it as a line skillshot that goes through minions like his current Q, since the current combo is E->Q. Now that I think about it, that doesn't make as much sense. This new way gives consistency to it's usage at least. I don't think it's a step down in any case. I think his new kit is going to be a lot more powerful, and a lot more controlled.
His passive is still the most troublesome to me. It gives him mpen for mana items. Which means it's going to be difficult to imagine the new Xerath not building tear first. Seems worrying to me for the most part. So something like Tear -> RoA -> Archangels seems seriously scary for an AP champion with that much range.
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Ouch.
I just lost to a Heimerdinger pretty hard. Was playing TF, everytime I ulted he just took a tower. Lost my inhib at 18 minutes to just heimer.
Pretty smart counterpick by him. Totally nullifies what makes TF awesome by forcing him to be in lane. Looking back, I ulted bottom and turned around a gank from a 1-0 for other team and grabbed a triple. But lost tower so team still lost the trade anyway.
I feel baited and outsmarted. I dunno why I forgot how hard Heimer pushed things.
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On June 17 2013 04:48 iCanada wrote:
Ouch.
I just lost to a Heimerdinger pretty hard. Was playing TF, everytime I ulted he just took a tower. Lost my inhib at 18 minutes to just heimer.
Pretty smart counterpick by him. Totally nullifies what makes TF awesome by forcing him to be in lane. Looking back, I ulted bottom and turned around a gank from a 1-0 for other team and grabbed a triple. But lost tower so team still lost the trade anyway.
I feel baited and outsmarted. I dunno why I forgot how hard Heimer pushed things.
Just take Teleport in that matchup. You're not focused on killing Heimer, just saving your towers. Do your ult gank bot and then tele back to mid.
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On June 17 2013 04:48 iCanada wrote:
Ouch.
I just lost to a Heimerdinger pretty hard. Was playing TF, everytime I ulted he just took a tower. Lost my inhib at 18 minutes to just heimer.
Pretty smart counterpick by him. Totally nullifies what makes TF awesome by forcing him to be in lane. Looking back, I ulted bottom and turned around a gank from a 1-0 for other team and grabbed a triple. But lost tower so team still lost the trade anyway.
I feel baited and outsmarted. I dunno why I forgot how hard Heimer pushed things.
Could try to poke him out of lane and then gank botlane after you push heimer out.
Also any thoughts on perhaps getting dblade after machete rather than madreds if your jungle lee sin?
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On June 17 2013 04:48 iCanada wrote:
Ouch.
I just lost to a Heimerdinger pretty hard. Was playing TF, everytime I ulted he just took a tower. Lost my inhib at 18 minutes to just heimer.
Pretty smart counterpick by him. Totally nullifies what makes TF awesome by forcing him to be in lane. Looking back, I ulted bottom and turned around a gank from a 1-0 for other team and grabbed a triple. But lost tower so team still lost the trade anyway.
I feel baited and outsmarted. I dunno why I forgot how hard Heimer pushed things.
ur jungler failed
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On June 17 2013 05:48 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 04:48 iCanada wrote:
Ouch.
I just lost to a Heimerdinger pretty hard. Was playing TF, everytime I ulted he just took a tower. Lost my inhib at 18 minutes to just heimer.
Pretty smart counterpick by him. Totally nullifies what makes TF awesome by forcing him to be in lane. Looking back, I ulted bottom and turned around a gank from a 1-0 for other team and grabbed a triple. But lost tower so team still lost the trade anyway.
I feel baited and outsmarted. I dunno why I forgot how hard Heimer pushed things. ur jungler failed
Yeah I was going to say...where was your jungler during all this?
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On June 17 2013 03:54 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 03:50 Craton wrote:
Both of them were completely centered around heavy early aggression. Maybe I just played Mundo wrong, but I liked to farm till I was like level 4-5 and then overgank whichever lane was behind. Mundo always been kind of sketchy early game imo. On Shy though I'd be really aggressive early. Always in enemy jungle, forcing fighgts to come to me because when shy actually fight she wins.
Mundo was a counterjungler whose main path was wraith wolf enemy wraith repeat and gank mid at every chance
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On June 17 2013 03:16 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 03:04 Kaniol wrote:
Haven't been playing LoL since ~ Jayce got released, can anyone explain to me what happenned to Shyv and Mundo that they basically disappeared from the game? Mostly shifts in the meta game more than anything. But they did nerf the crap out of Shy W, lowered her base armor and attack speed as well. Her early clear is actually much rougher than say a Nautilus or Sejuani now.
Because Sej is super strong, but really? Naut? He's weak as fuck level 1-2, even 3 his shield is crap if he wants to gank. Shyv can at least run.
Mundo has pretty good poke with Q too, especially in the midgame (and he can max it earlier with the jungle changes), but the competitive meta wants that poke/push before those levels.
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On June 17 2013 04:48 iCanada wrote:
Ouch.
I just lost to a Heimerdinger pretty hard. Was playing TF, everytime I ulted he just took a tower. Lost my inhib at 18 minutes to just heimer.
Pretty smart counterpick by him. Totally nullifies what makes TF awesome by forcing him to be in lane. Looking back, I ulted bottom and turned around a gank from a 1-0 for other team and grabbed a triple. But lost tower so team still lost the trade anyway.
I feel baited and outsmarted. I dunno why I forgot how hard Heimer pushed things.
Its not like TF needs to spam ult in like that in that situation. Why not just pick teleport and spam wild cards? He can't push at all vs wild card spam and when your TP is up you can go gank -> TP back and be fine. You clear faster than him.
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On June 16 2013 07:31 TheYango wrote:
Well you also have to adjust for the fact that there actually are zero manaless supports or AD carries.
Kennen! Albeit. That doesn't happen often :p
On June 17 2013 01:27 Slayer91 wrote:
you just said that to steak your claim to the pun war
That seems like a bullshit accusation.
I am super stoked about this LCS. I feel like a lot of teams are going to be re-examining how their mindset is. I really hope we see a huge improvement to the NA and EU scenes.
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I think I'm done playing League for a while.
I can't handle all the trashtalk in the games. It's gotten so much worse since summer started. I do not enjoy playing anymore. It's just stressful and rarely fun.
Maybe I'll start actually watching LCS instead.
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