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On June 16 2013 17:57 Alaric wrote:
When I get oom with Leona, I feel like I fucked up majorly—but she's by far my best support and I'm pretty aggressive so when I spend mana I generally make stuff happen, so there's generally a kill/back and I back myself before I'm oom.
Taric could be in the same boat I guess, I remember wishing I had a chalice on him and Alistar, but it's because their heals are so expensive. It's probably a matter of balancing aggression and sustain so that you get enough out of your combos to get a kill before you're oom/zone the opponent enough than you get regen your mana without having to spend it on heals. (Sona's probably there too tbh but I just spam too much shit.)
No idea about Lulu, I know I can burn through flask before level 4 but I'm playing hyper-aggro with her, generally trying to zone/kill through poke before that point. Probably over-using E at level 2, and too bad to hit every single Q nor to auto enough.
I rarely have mana problems with Fiddle unless I have a lot of opportunities to E for poke (as in both champs running from their creep wave). I'd probably have more if I had the presence of mind of buying boots earlier, Cait is such a bitch to fear. ;_;
leona has the single highest base mana regen in the game
you done goofed son
taric is different because he's a heal spam champ if you auto a lot but flat mana is probably better investment
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Bit late on this, but I find it quite funny that Reapered gets released from the team he hand-picked and created for himself.
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On June 16 2013 18:59 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2013 17:57 Alaric wrote:
When I get oom with Leona, I feel like I fucked up majorly—but she's by far my best support and I'm pretty aggressive so when I spend mana I generally make stuff happen, so there's generally a kill/back and I back myself before I'm oom.
Taric could be in the same boat I guess, I remember wishing I had a chalice on him and Alistar, but it's because their heals are so expensive. It's probably a matter of balancing aggression and sustain so that you get enough out of your combos to get a kill before you're oom/zone the opponent enough than you get regen your mana without having to spend it on heals. (Sona's probably there too tbh but I just spam too much shit.)
No idea about Lulu, I know I can burn through flask before level 4 but I'm playing hyper-aggro with her, generally trying to zone/kill through poke before that point. Probably over-using E at level 2, and too bad to hit every single Q nor to auto enough.
I rarely have mana problems with Fiddle unless I have a lot of opportunities to E for poke (as in both champs running from their creep wave). I'd probably have more if I had the presence of mind of buying boots earlier, Cait is such a bitch to fear. ;_; leona has the single highest base mana regen in the game you done goofed son taric is different because he's a heal spam champ if you auto a lot but flat mana is probably better investment
Yeah I remember checking recently, I knew her mp5 was high, but the highest in the game, damn. x_o
And her mana costs are relatively low, too, especially considering only Q and R raise when leveled (and those are typically the abilities that are maxed out last). What I meant is that I rarely do more 2 rotations before I back (and maybe an additional W, I rarely use it even when pressuring just because pressing WE can be so fast people are still wary) because of how her trading works (and high her damage is). If I knew how to play Alistar properly, I'd burn 150 mana for Q and W each trade, sure, but I probably wouldn't need more than 2-3 to force a back/kill (or die myself, hue) and I wouldn't feel his costs as harshly.
Isn't Nami close to 100% pick so far in LCS EU? Her winrate isn't as high but she's certainly popular. I guess the Q buff was the main part, teams still took a while to pick her up.
Not necessarily a bug, but there seem to be a few frames where Vi is vulnerable to cc during her ult. I used it on a Tristana last game, and right as I reached her (before the suppression start) she ulted and I got knocked-back, cancelling the ult (still on cd and everything of course, just cancelled the effect). First time it happens to me, so I'm not sure about the context.
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On June 16 2013 19:05 GTR wrote:
Bit late on this, but I find it quite funny that Reapered gets released from the team he hand-picked and created for himself.
in the end, he still wins if he can find a new sponsor. he keeps the ogn spot and gets to add a 5th.
the real loser is beezlehan. who is now stuck on a team that is pretty much dead and can't do shit for 6 months
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On June 16 2013 19:45 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2013 18:59 Slayer91 wrote:On June 16 2013 17:57 Alaric wrote:
When I get oom with Leona, I feel like I fucked up majorly—but she's by far my best support and I'm pretty aggressive so when I spend mana I generally make stuff happen, so there's generally a kill/back and I back myself before I'm oom.
Taric could be in the same boat I guess, I remember wishing I had a chalice on him and Alistar, but it's because their heals are so expensive. It's probably a matter of balancing aggression and sustain so that you get enough out of your combos to get a kill before you're oom/zone the opponent enough than you get regen your mana without having to spend it on heals. (Sona's probably there too tbh but I just spam too much shit.)
No idea about Lulu, I know I can burn through flask before level 4 but I'm playing hyper-aggro with her, generally trying to zone/kill through poke before that point. Probably over-using E at level 2, and too bad to hit every single Q nor to auto enough.
I rarely have mana problems with Fiddle unless I have a lot of opportunities to E for poke (as in both champs running from their creep wave). I'd probably have more if I had the presence of mind of buying boots earlier, Cait is such a bitch to fear. ;_; leona has the single highest base mana regen in the game you done goofed son taric is different because he's a heal spam champ if you auto a lot but flat mana is probably better investment Yeah I remember checking recently, I knew her mp5 was high, but the highest in the game, damn. x_o And her mana costs are relatively low, too, especially considering only Q and R raise when leveled (and those are typically the abilities that are maxed out last). What I meant is that I rarely do more 2 rotations before I back (and maybe an additional W, I rarely use it even when pressuring just because pressing WE can be so fast people are still wary) because of how her trading works (and high her damage is). If I knew how to play Alistar properly, I'd burn 150 mana for Q and W each trade, sure, but I probably wouldn't need more than 2-3 to force a back/kill (or die myself, hue) and I wouldn't feel his costs as harshly. Isn't Nami close to 100% pick so far in LCS EU? Her winrate isn't as high but she's certainly popular. I guess the Q buff was the main part, teams still took a while to pick her up. Not necessarily a bug, but there seem to be a few frames where Vi is vulnerable to cc during her ult. I used it on a Tristana last game, and right as I reached her (before the suppression start) she ulted and I got knocked-back, cancelling the ult (still on cd and everything of course, just cancelled the effect). First time it happens to me, so I'm not sure about the context.
Idk I think when you go HAM on cow you should really come out with a kill if you land a combo, or atleast burn a flash or something tbh.
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ive got no beef with that statement
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Well either I suck either I played him with sucky ADs that didn't follow-up then. :<
Thing is, it's not that long a cc if you do the WQ combo (compared to, say, get a W in a wall into Q), and the damage isn't stellar either from level 3-4 if you don't max Q or W first, so from a straight-up trading point of view (I'm not denying the power at level 2, in combination with Flash, or for post-6 dives) it doesn't feel that impactful compared to other champs' cc/burst unless your AD follows-up immediatly.
Then again, maybe it's because you should always manipulate your combo to put them into a wall or the middle of your creep wave or something and he doesn't feel that strong because I play him as badly as someone trying to all-in with Janna.
I really have no clue how to play him apart from the combo mechanical execution (which is easy); decision-making and subsequent positioning: scrub level.
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@Soniv, World Elite having a great game with Annie mid =O.
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Doing some predictions for this/next patch:
Most popular ADs will probably be Vayne and Kog for their ''hypercarry'' (I hate this term) potential. They do well against the popular picks atm and the popularity of laneswaps diminishes their 'disadvantage' in the laning phase. In particular, Vayne's knockback does well against popular picks such as Kennen/Jayce/Shen, while both their %dmg does well against Shen/Malphite.
For supports, I expect to see Thresh and Janna being played just as much. Lulu and Nami should be okay too, but not as popular. Fiddlesticks might see more play in the west and in particular team compositions (force Cleanse pickup, take Karthus and boom ADC). Nunu should see a resurgence for his buff as well as his Consume providing additional options for Level 1 openings. The popularity of laneswaps means the weakness of Nunu lane is ameliorated.
For solo lanes (no more Top/Mid/AP now!), Shen/Malphite/Zac for their tankiness/laneswap strength/CC. Shen in particular provides a nice shield for the aforementioned hypercarries. Jayce/TF/Karthus/Kennen/Zed will be the other popular picks for various reasons. I'd like to highlight Gragas/Yorick/Mordekaiser as a possibly underpicked / underrated champions.
In the jungle, Evelynn takes a hit from the SotEL nerf but should still see play. Lee Sin/J4/Elise will still see plenty of play for their flexible routes / crazy gank potential. I don't jungle myself, so I'm not sure how the jungle changes will affect the jungler picks. I'll take a guess and say that Nunu will be popular again. Will also highlight Kayle/Shaco/Gragas as possibly underappreciated champs.
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On June 16 2013 21:45 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Doing some predictions for this/next patch:
Most popular ADs will probably be Vayne and Kog for their ''hypercarry'' (I hate this term) potential. They do well against the popular picks atm and the popularity of laneswaps diminishes their 'disadvantage' in the laning phase. In particular, Vayne's knockback does well against popular picks such as Kennen/Jayce/Shen, while both their %dmg does well against Shen/Malphite.
For supports, I expect to see Thresh and Janna being played just as much. Lulu and Nami should be okay too, but not as popular. Fiddlesticks might see more play in the west and in particular team compositions (force Cleanse pickup, take Karthus and boom ADC). Nunu should see a resurgence for his buff as well as his Consume providing additional options for Level 1 openings. The popularity of laneswaps means the weakness of Nunu lane is ameliorated.
For solo lanes (no more Top/Mid/AP now!), Shen/Malphite/Zac for their tankiness/laneswap strength/CC. Shen in particular provides a nice shield for the aforementioned hypercarries. Jayce/TF/Karthus/Kennen/Zed will be the other popular picks for various reasons. I'd like to highlight Gragas/Yorick/Mordekaiser as a possibly underpicked / underrated champions.
In the jungle, Evelynn takes a hit from the SotEL nerf but should still see play. Lee Sin/J4/Elise will still see plenty of play for their flexible routes / crazy gank potential. I don't jungle myself, so I'm not sure how the jungle changes will affect the jungler picks. I'll take a guess and say that Nunu will be popular again. Will also highlight Kayle/Shaco/Gragas as possibly underappreciated champs.
The popularity of laneswaps will decrease imo. With the jungle change botlane purple doesn't start with instant xp disadvantage anymore.
I expect somewhat of a return to the "island" toplane of old, with a lot of early 4v4 focus around dragon.
From what I've seen on the rework shyvana will be really strong again, always have ult up + 40 sec spawn on jungle creeps seems pretty sick. %max hp on e seems pretty damn silly unless its a dot.
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Blue side does golems and misses 2 cs top (I managed to not lose any exp once, and only 1 cs as I got the 2nd one as the support), which is still much less than what the golems give. 1:55 still isn't enough for golems, sadly.
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This whole thing about blue side can still do golems really kind of depresses me, because it raises some questions about Riots QA department.
I mean, increasing the spawn times was specifically requested and targeted as a way to stop blue side from doing golems.
It would have taken two people 15 minutes of work time to go into custom games two or three times and see if they could still do golems.
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Rumour has it Helios has been kicked out of CJ Entus Blaze, it seems that Helios has changed his employment status on his Facebook page, which has caught the eye of numerous Korean netizens. With all these changes going on before the start of the summer season, some roster changes for the CJ Entus franchise are certainly not out of the realms of possibility.
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On June 16 2013 23:52 Letmelose wrote:
Rumour has it Helios has been kicked out of CJ Entus Blaze, it seems that Helios has changed his employment status on his Facebook page, which has caught the eye of numerous Korean netizens. With all these changes going on before the start of the summer season, some roster changes for the CJ Entus franchise are certainly not out of the realms of possibility.
They consider him responsible for the lose against MVP Ozone ? Couldn't watch all the game so I don't really know about his performance. If someone can enlight me about it, would be great.
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On June 16 2013 19:55 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2013 19:05 GTR wrote:
Bit late on this, but I find it quite funny that Reapered gets released from the team he hand-picked and created for himself. in the end, he still wins if he can find a new sponsor. he keeps the ogn spot and gets to add a 5th. the real loser is beezlehan. who is now stuck on a team that is pretty much dead and can't do shit for 6 months
While Blaze took second place on OGN.
I donno. Reapered's team failed to perform this season and stayed mediocre. I wonder if anyone is willing to pick them up.
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On June 17 2013 00:24 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2013 23:52 Letmelose wrote:
Rumour has it Helios has been kicked out of CJ Entus Blaze, it seems that Helios has changed his employment status on his Facebook page, which has caught the eye of numerous Korean netizens. With all these changes going on before the start of the summer season, some roster changes for the CJ Entus franchise are certainly not out of the realms of possibility. They consider him responsible for the lose against MVP Ozone ? Couldn't watch all the game so I don't really know about his performance. If someone can enlight me about it, would be great.
Everything is pure speculation based off Helios' suspicious changes to his Facebook page, it just seems quite telling how he would tinker with his employment status, even if it surmounts to nothing. I personally believe that Helios is second-guessing his worth in his team at the very least, probably due to his mediocre performances in the finals compared to Dandy.
I believe that Helios is superior to CloudTemplar, but that is hardly any consolation because even players in lower tier teams such as ActScene has more presence in the early game. It just depends on whether the team as a whole has faith in Helios to become a better player, because at the moment he is anything but a world contender, when the team is striving to be one.
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On June 17 2013 00:40 Letmelose wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2013 00:24 WhiteDog wrote:On June 16 2013 23:52 Letmelose wrote:
Rumour has it Helios has been kicked out of CJ Entus Blaze, it seems that Helios has changed his employment status on his Facebook page, which has caught the eye of numerous Korean netizens. With all these changes going on before the start of the summer season, some roster changes for the CJ Entus franchise are certainly not out of the realms of possibility. They consider him responsible for the lose against MVP Ozone ? Couldn't watch all the game so I don't really know about his performance. If someone can enlight me about it, would be great. Everything is pure speculation based off Helios' suspicious changes to his Facebook page, it just seems quite telling how he would tinker with his employment status, even if it surmounts to nothing. I personally believe that Helios is second-guessing his worth in his team at the very least, probably due to his mediocre performances in the finals compared to Dandy. I believe that Helios is superior to CloudTemplar, but that is hardly any consolation because even players in lower tier teams such as ActScene has more presence in the early game. It just depends on whether the team as a whole has faith in Helios to become a better player, because at the moment he is anything but a world contender, when the team is striving to be one.
InSec Blaze incoming?
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On June 16 2013 10:52 BrokenMirage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2013 09:53 Scip wrote:
I think spelling it mêlée would be really badass but somehow I don't think it's going to catch on Yes it would be pretty badass, but most people online don't have the keyboard necessary for diacritics (except if they use French or use some other language with diacritics), nor do they have the patience to learn the hotkeys or search up the character. Also, unfortunately, no one online actually cares about the proprieties in spelling.
TIL Letters can crit... I spose you've gotta have crit runes on your keyboard to 'unlock the mechanic' though.
On June 16 2013 20:16 Slayer91 wrote:
ive got no beef with that statement
Way to milk the pun.
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you just said that to steak your claim to the pun war
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