On May 21 2013 07:01 wei2coolman wrote: Hmmm; was having discussion with my friend yesterday, and got me thinking. What does Riot think when they nerf a champion to the point its no longer played? Do they sit back in their chairs and pat themselves on the back on a job well done? Do they just stop caring? Cuz for the most part I feel like after a major nerf and its stopped being played Riot doesn't really bother buffing it a bit.
If you're referring to Olaf basically getting nerfed into the ground, I'm sad too. Balance team: what can we do to make Olaf balanced Morello: nerf it ALL. Balance team: Olaf now has lowest winrate of all champs for a long time. Morello: Good. His kit was antifun.
Most other low winrate champs are just niche, but quite strong when picked correctly(Urgot, syndra, LB, Ali, Shen to name a few).
On May 21 2013 07:01 wei2coolman wrote: Hmmm; was having discussion with my friend yesterday, and got me thinking. What does Riot think when they nerf a champion to the point its no longer played? Do they sit back in their chairs and pat themselves on the back on a job well done? Do they just stop caring? Cuz for the most part I feel like after a major nerf and its stopped being played Riot doesn't really bother buffing it a bit.
I feel like they prioritize overpowered and "problematic" champions over underpowered and obsolete champions. And there's always something overpowered so they never get to obsolete champions.
On May 21 2013 07:01 wei2coolman wrote: Hmmm; was having discussion with my friend yesterday, and got me thinking. What does Riot think when they nerf a champion to the point its no longer played? Do they sit back in their chairs and pat themselves on the back on a job well done? Do they just stop caring? Cuz for the most part I feel like after a major nerf and its stopped being played Riot doesn't really bother buffing it a bit.
very anecdotal...
but i heard from a friend of mine that if you mention the orianna release at riot, you're gonna get fired because it was really tumultuous.
there was also a story about xypherous being some sort of savant. like if there's a problem, there's a call button and then when you ask him to fix it, you'll just come back after lunch or something and the problem will magically be fixed.
I was planning on Papa John's for dinner today with that discount
Problem: with coupon its still like 12 bucks because I need delivery (I don't have a car). I am a poor as shit college student who makes 9 bucks an hour and has to pay his rent.
On May 21 2013 05:16 upperbound wrote: Okay what's the proper response to this situation:
I'm Irelia top vs. Vlad. I'm giving smiteless leash at blue and vlad starts pushing the lane before i get there. I just farm for a bit, letting the lane push slightly, planning on letting the wave reset at level 4 and then going aggressive. Naut does the 3:05 gank, no damage, i just back up to my tower. I have river brush warded, and naut is just gonna camp. My jungler is camping bot. Vlad shoves the wave to tower, and Naut just comes walking through lane. I back up behind tower into exp range but out of range of cs. Naut continues to just walk at me. My jungler is still bot despite me asking for help.
Do you:
- Leave tower and lose all the cs and exp. - Try to trade kills and hope to bury the junglers' buffs? - Something else I haven't thought of.
I traded kills, but I couldn't even go back to lane afterward. It became clear that I was going to die no matter what, so I tried to die before Naut (even giving up the first blood), but I died just after and Vlad got the buffs. Also, my team continued to not come top, and Vlad farmed another wave past tower. When I got back to lane, I was barely level 3, and Vlad was more than halfway to 6 with double buffs, and I couldn't do anything. I feel like that would have probably been the outcome no matter what, though. I'm just confused.
Trading kills is fine. You can be really fucked in your lane, just as long as your jungler does the same to a different lane. If their jungler applies more pressure on lanes then yours, it isn't your fault that you're losing your lane. If you strictly lose 1v1, it isn't your junglers fault you're behind in your lane.
If vlad is shoving, you should either shove back, pick a champion that can't get shoved in, or make sure your jungler is there to keep him off the turret. Atleast two of these options are entirely in your control, and if you picked your lane but didn't account for this possibility, it's still entirely your fault. Just so we are clear on all your responsibilities in a lane.
There's no champion that can prevent being shoved to tower at level 3 once the minions start snowballing.
I've had junglers who when I tell them not to gank because there's a triple wave pushing at me, tell me to start pushing back. Yeah alright I'll just start tanking these minions that hit me for 300 dmg a second, I'm sure my opponent will be nice enough to sit back and leave me be.
With Purple side top often taking Wraiths/Golems, this is really common. A lot of champions can zone you off creeps when they hit level 2, and then you just have to wait because there's no way to approach the wave.
You do realize that it's incredibly obvious that one player is pushing right? They auto the minions, and spam their spells. The minions don't just suddenly die. Every champion can prevent pushing. You are just wrong.
I don't understand how I can even out the wave when, if I approach the wave, naut gets a free stun and vlad gets a q+e, and I have to run against red buff. Then I don't ecen have the option of staying in lane.
I'm not trying to argue, I legitimately want to know how to react against that.
On May 21 2013 05:16 upperbound wrote: Okay what's the proper response to this situation:
I'm Irelia top vs. Vlad. I'm giving smiteless leash at blue and vlad starts pushing the lane before i get there. I just farm for a bit, letting the lane push slightly, planning on letting the wave reset at level 4 and then going aggressive. Naut does the 3:05 gank, no damage, i just back up to my tower. I have river brush warded, and naut is just gonna camp. My jungler is camping bot. Vlad shoves the wave to tower, and Naut just comes walking through lane. I back up behind tower into exp range but out of range of cs. Naut continues to just walk at me. My jungler is still bot despite me asking for help.
Do you:
- Leave tower and lose all the cs and exp. - Try to trade kills and hope to bury the junglers' buffs? - Something else I haven't thought of.
I traded kills, but I couldn't even go back to lane afterward. It became clear that I was going to die no matter what, so I tried to die before Naut (even giving up the first blood), but I died just after and Vlad got the buffs. Also, my team continued to not come top, and Vlad farmed another wave past tower. When I got back to lane, I was barely level 3, and Vlad was more than halfway to 6 with double buffs, and I couldn't do anything. I feel like that would have probably been the outcome no matter what, though. I'm just confused.
Trading kills is fine. You can be really fucked in your lane, just as long as your jungler does the same to a different lane. If their jungler applies more pressure on lanes then yours, it isn't your fault that you're losing your lane. If you strictly lose 1v1, it isn't your junglers fault you're behind in your lane.
If vlad is shoving, you should either shove back, pick a champion that can't get shoved in, or make sure your jungler is there to keep him off the turret. Atleast two of these options are entirely in your control, and if you picked your lane but didn't account for this possibility, it's still entirely your fault. Just so we are clear on all your responsibilities in a lane.
There's no champion that can prevent being shoved to tower at level 3 once the minions start snowballing.
I've had junglers who when I tell them not to gank because there's a triple wave pushing at me, tell me to start pushing back. Yeah alright I'll just start tanking these minions that hit me for 300 dmg a second, I'm sure my opponent will be nice enough to sit back and leave me be.
With Purple side top often taking Wraiths/Golems, this is really common. A lot of champions can zone you off creeps when they hit level 2, and then you just have to wait because there's no way to approach the wave.
You do realize that it's incredibly obvious that one player is pushing right? They auto the minions, and spam their spells. The minions don't just suddenly die. Every champion can prevent pushing. You are just wrong.
I don't understand how I can even out the wave when, if I approach the wave, naut gets a free stun and vlad gets a q+e, and I have to run against red buff. Then I don't ecen have the option of staying in lane.
I'm not trying to argue, I legitimately want to know how to react against that.
He was talking about someone pushing the lane starting at lvl 1 or so, not after the jungler comes to the lane. It's obvious that you can't out push two players at low levels. If the enemy jungler is doing work, the only thing you can hope to happen is that your jungler does work somewhere on the map also. If you watch the LCS, you often see top lanes get pushed in, have their turret taken, and then have to get back into the game from having no items. There is nothing wrong with getting plowed by multiple players on the enemy team, as long as your teams advantage is used.
On May 21 2013 05:16 upperbound wrote: Okay what's the proper response to this situation:
I'm Irelia top vs. Vlad. I'm giving smiteless leash at blue and vlad starts pushing the lane before i get there. I just farm for a bit, letting the lane push slightly, planning on letting the wave reset at level 4 and then going aggressive. Naut does the 3:05 gank, no damage, i just back up to my tower. I have river brush warded, and naut is just gonna camp. My jungler is camping bot. Vlad shoves the wave to tower, and Naut just comes walking through lane. I back up behind tower into exp range but out of range of cs. Naut continues to just walk at me. My jungler is still bot despite me asking for help.
Do you:
- Leave tower and lose all the cs and exp. - Try to trade kills and hope to bury the junglers' buffs? - Something else I haven't thought of.
I traded kills, but I couldn't even go back to lane afterward. It became clear that I was going to die no matter what, so I tried to die before Naut (even giving up the first blood), but I died just after and Vlad got the buffs. Also, my team continued to not come top, and Vlad farmed another wave past tower. When I got back to lane, I was barely level 3, and Vlad was more than halfway to 6 with double buffs, and I couldn't do anything. I feel like that would have probably been the outcome no matter what, though. I'm just confused.
Trading kills is fine. You can be really fucked in your lane, just as long as your jungler does the same to a different lane. If their jungler applies more pressure on lanes then yours, it isn't your fault that you're losing your lane. If you strictly lose 1v1, it isn't your junglers fault you're behind in your lane.
If vlad is shoving, you should either shove back, pick a champion that can't get shoved in, or make sure your jungler is there to keep him off the turret. Atleast two of these options are entirely in your control, and if you picked your lane but didn't account for this possibility, it's still entirely your fault. Just so we are clear on all your responsibilities in a lane.
There's no champion that can prevent being shoved to tower at level 3 once the minions start snowballing.
I've had junglers who when I tell them not to gank because there's a triple wave pushing at me, tell me to start pushing back. Yeah alright I'll just start tanking these minions that hit me for 300 dmg a second, I'm sure my opponent will be nice enough to sit back and leave me be.
With Purple side top often taking Wraiths/Golems, this is really common. A lot of champions can zone you off creeps when they hit level 2, and then you just have to wait because there's no way to approach the wave.
You do realize that it's incredibly obvious that one player is pushing right? They auto the minions, and spam their spells. The minions don't just suddenly die. Every champion can prevent pushing. You are just wrong.
I don't understand how I can even out the wave when, if I approach the wave, naut gets a free stun and vlad gets a q+e, and I have to run against red buff. Then I don't ecen have the option of staying in lane.
I'm not trying to argue, I legitimately want to know how to react against that.
What??? How does Nautilus get a free stun? Did he just walk into lane and somehow not soak xp? I'm so confused ...
Might be a stupid question but what do you guys do to calm down after some dumb games?Like getting angry doesn't really make me play worse if anything it makes me actually tryhard but I lose more for some reason.So tips?Tried walks and shit but doesn't really help.Also when I get angry I want to play more so that's bad too lol.
On May 21 2013 05:16 upperbound wrote: Okay what's the proper response to this situation:
I'm Irelia top vs. Vlad. I'm giving smiteless leash at blue and vlad starts pushing the lane before i get there. I just farm for a bit, letting the lane push slightly, planning on letting the wave reset at level 4 and then going aggressive. Naut does the 3:05 gank, no damage, i just back up to my tower. I have river brush warded, and naut is just gonna camp. My jungler is camping bot. Vlad shoves the wave to tower, and Naut just comes walking through lane. I back up behind tower into exp range but out of range of cs. Naut continues to just walk at me. My jungler is still bot despite me asking for help.
Do you:
- Leave tower and lose all the cs and exp. - Try to trade kills and hope to bury the junglers' buffs? - Something else I haven't thought of.
I traded kills, but I couldn't even go back to lane afterward. It became clear that I was going to die no matter what, so I tried to die before Naut (even giving up the first blood), but I died just after and Vlad got the buffs. Also, my team continued to not come top, and Vlad farmed another wave past tower. When I got back to lane, I was barely level 3, and Vlad was more than halfway to 6 with double buffs, and I couldn't do anything. I feel like that would have probably been the outcome no matter what, though. I'm just confused.
Trading kills is fine. You can be really fucked in your lane, just as long as your jungler does the same to a different lane. If their jungler applies more pressure on lanes then yours, it isn't your fault that you're losing your lane. If you strictly lose 1v1, it isn't your junglers fault you're behind in your lane.
If vlad is shoving, you should either shove back, pick a champion that can't get shoved in, or make sure your jungler is there to keep him off the turret. Atleast two of these options are entirely in your control, and if you picked your lane but didn't account for this possibility, it's still entirely your fault. Just so we are clear on all your responsibilities in a lane.
There's no champion that can prevent being shoved to tower at level 3 once the minions start snowballing.
I've had junglers who when I tell them not to gank because there's a triple wave pushing at me, tell me to start pushing back. Yeah alright I'll just start tanking these minions that hit me for 300 dmg a second, I'm sure my opponent will be nice enough to sit back and leave me be.
With Purple side top often taking Wraiths/Golems, this is really common. A lot of champions can zone you off creeps when they hit level 2, and then you just have to wait because there's no way to approach the wave.
You do realize that it's incredibly obvious that one player is pushing right? They auto the minions, and spam their spells. The minions don't just suddenly die. Every champion can prevent pushing. You are just wrong.
I don't understand how I can even out the wave when, if I approach the wave, naut gets a free stun and vlad gets a q+e, and I have to run against red buff. Then I don't ecen have the option of staying in lane.
I'm not trying to argue, I legitimately want to know how to react against that.
If there's 2 people sitting in your lane, stay in XP range, stay high on HP(aka pot up), and wait for it to hit tower, and then just kill melee creeps. You won't be able to get ranged creeps. Especially against naut and vlad, this is an almost completely safe option if you are near full HP. Both are rather shitty tower divers at low levels because neither bring the burst damage required. Juke the naut Q with either flash or your own Q, and then stun him if he walks at you under tower after he's taken aggro.
Against a stronger combo though, like renek+j4 or something like that though, the smarter option would definitely to just sit far back just in XP range and wait for jungler because they can most definitely kill you under tower at level 3 if there are more than a few minions.
Not a huge fan of Papa Johns, but supporting ESPORTS is good so they get my money. Hopefully more mainstream visibility of ESPORTS can help bring more money and attention into the scene.
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