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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 04 2013 22:01 GMT
#5401
On June 05 2013 05:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
111 farm 10:30

This is one of my pet peeves--people using "farm" as the noun in place of "CS", "creeps", or "lasthits".
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SoulSever
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada779 Posts
June 04 2013 22:23 GMT
#5402
On June 05 2013 01:19 Ketara wrote:
My biggest issue with promotion series right now is that when you win one, you're placed in the new division at 0 points.

Which means you can get dropped again from two losses immediately after.

Which also means that the system has to compensate you for the fact that you won 2/3 or 3/5 games, and yet got 0 points for it. Sometimes even worse than that because sometimes your game that got you into the promotion series only gave 2 points or something.

I don't see what's so hard about tracking the number of points you get for winning a game while you're in the series, and putting you at that when you get out of the series. It would mean there is an actual difference between going 2-0 and going 2-1, make it harder to drop the division immediately after if you get unlucky, etc.

All the little quirks in the system seem to be erring on the side of preventing people from advancing, which just seems like poor design to me. If they make a system that for actual matchmaking purposes means functionally nothing, they should want it to be as much as possible a system that makes people feel good and makes them want to play more, or make them feel like they're improving when maybe they aren't improving so much.

But it doesn't. Instead it's stressful at best and a stupid inconvenience at worst. I have yet to see anybody come out in favor of the system at all, or provide any sort of reasonable argument for why it's a good thing the way it is.


Being demoted means the system thinks you're in the division you deserve to be in right? It wouldn't demote you from gold II if you're MMR is still that of plat III even if you lose a bunch at 0 LP?
Violet <3 ~~~Better places than here exist
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 04 2013 22:29 GMT
#5403
So much lag on euw damn.I was 1v5 for 5 minutes xD.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21665 Posts
June 04 2013 22:33 GMT
#5404
On June 05 2013 07:23 SoulSever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 01:19 Ketara wrote:
My biggest issue with promotion series right now is that when you win one, you're placed in the new division at 0 points.

Which means you can get dropped again from two losses immediately after.

Which also means that the system has to compensate you for the fact that you won 2/3 or 3/5 games, and yet got 0 points for it. Sometimes even worse than that because sometimes your game that got you into the promotion series only gave 2 points or something.

I don't see what's so hard about tracking the number of points you get for winning a game while you're in the series, and putting you at that when you get out of the series. It would mean there is an actual difference between going 2-0 and going 2-1, make it harder to drop the division immediately after if you get unlucky, etc.

All the little quirks in the system seem to be erring on the side of preventing people from advancing, which just seems like poor design to me. If they make a system that for actual matchmaking purposes means functionally nothing, they should want it to be as much as possible a system that makes people feel good and makes them want to play more, or make them feel like they're improving when maybe they aren't improving so much.

But it doesn't. Instead it's stressful at best and a stupid inconvenience at worst. I have yet to see anybody come out in favor of the system at all, or provide any sort of reasonable argument for why it's a good thing the way it is.


Being demoted means the system thinks you're in the division you deserve to be in right? It wouldn't demote you from gold II if you're MMR is still that of plat III even if you lose a bunch at 0 LP?


No if you lose a bunch at 0 you will get demoted regardless of MMR. The front and the backend (Divisions and MMR) are completely seperate from each other. The only interaction between the 2 is how many points you gain/lose
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Zizoz
Profile Joined June 2012
United States232 Posts
June 04 2013 22:51 GMT
#5405
Actually I read a red post a while back saying that you can't get demoted if your MMR is higher than a certain threshold based on your division. I don't know how that threshold is determined, nor can I find the post, though.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
June 04 2013 22:57 GMT
#5406
I've lost 5 times at 0 and not been demoted and lost once and been demoted, so there's clearly some other important determining factor.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Zizoz
Profile Joined June 2012
United States232 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 23:00:01
June 04 2013 22:59 GMT
#5407
Found the post: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=35170316#post35170316

Although in my experience you have to actually lose at 0 LP, rather than just "drop to 0 LP or less".
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 04 2013 23:00 GMT
#5408
Wait what. Edward left? O_O
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 04 2013 23:29 GMT
#5409
On June 05 2013 08:00 Sufficiency wrote:
Wait what. Edward left? O_O


GG's botlane is gonna be so shit now. Genja got away with being the most passive and defense oriented ADC in EU because Edward was good enough to give Genja roam to farm, and even with the best support in EU botlane was arguably their weakest lane.

Gambit needs a new support to get really good really fast if they wanna have any shot at worlds imo.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 23:47:01
June 04 2013 23:45 GMT
#5410
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3516146

Of course no loss forgiven for 2 games this happens.God damn it riot.

Free skins for korea.

edit:I know it is for na post but it is happening in eu atm :D.Random disconnects op.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
June 04 2013 23:47 GMT
#5411
On June 05 2013 08:45 nafta wrote:
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3516146

Of course no loss forgiven for 2 games this happens.God damn it riot.

Free skins for korea.

edit:I know it is for na post but it is happening in eu atm :D.Random disconnects op.

but, but... they will probably give us 4 win IP boost!!!!!11
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 04 2013 23:52 GMT
#5412
EUW got IP boosts. Justice is most definitely served.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
drivec
Profile Joined May 2009
United States354 Posts
June 04 2013 23:59 GMT
#5413
man ive been disconnecting anywhere from 45 seconds to 2mins into every game i basically stopped playing because of it dont know what they did this patch but i wish they would fix it.
starcraft is chess at warp speed
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
June 05 2013 00:13 GMT
#5414
On June 05 2013 08:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
EUW got IP boosts. Justice is most definitely served.

i wish they fixed their shit first, people are still dropping every game
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
June 05 2013 00:18 GMT
#5415
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1223898

YAY WE GOT 20 WIN IP BOOST!!!!!!1

not, Korea got a fkn rare skin.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 05 2013 00:19 GMT
#5416
20 wins is pretty significant.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 05 2013 00:21 GMT
#5417
How much IP is that? 3000?
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 00:22:25
June 05 2013 00:21 GMT
#5418
On June 05 2013 09:18 Mensol wrote:
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1223898

YAY WE GOT 20 WIN IP BOOST!!!!!!1

not, Korea got a fkn rare skin.


3000 ip>>>>>>>rare skin.Let's be serious.Gooby pls.

I really don't understand riot lol.I couldn't care less if we get compensated but this can't we get some rp or skins like na/kr?They gave rp before and it wasn't a problem :/.

edit:Funny thing is that if you didn't have sona on kr you'd get her for free which is 3150 ip :D.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 00:24:05
June 05 2013 00:21 GMT
#5419
On June 05 2013 09:19 onlywonderboy wrote:
20 wins is pretty significant.

i prefer 1000 rp or silent night sona over 20 win ip boost any day.

actually im ok with 500 rp too.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 05 2013 00:26 GMT
#5420
Don't really see why you acting shocked. This was always going to happen, shouldn't get hope just because over entities do something else.
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