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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
June 04 2013 17:32 GMT
#5281
On June 05 2013 02:31 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 02:13 Seuss wrote:
On June 05 2013 02:05 Ketara wrote:
I'm starting to not see how bitching about the league system is in any way constructive.

We've listed the problems with it over and over and over at this point, and nobody defends it. The only thing people ever do is clarify how it works, which is not helpful because everybody knows how it works. Or some people tell other people to ignore it, which we've all heard a hundred times already.

I haven't seen anybody ever try to argue that it's a good system.

Talking about it any more unless it gets changed somehow seems dumb.


I just assumed the whole discussion fell under "Elo Hell", which is one of the taboo topics.

if it's not then it should be

this discussion sucks lol


I don't think there's an angle from which we haven't examined it and all the conclusions are the same.

So yeah.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 04 2013 17:36 GMT
#5282
On June 05 2013 02:32 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 02:31 kainzero wrote:
On June 05 2013 02:13 Seuss wrote:
On June 05 2013 02:05 Ketara wrote:
I'm starting to not see how bitching about the league system is in any way constructive.

We've listed the problems with it over and over and over at this point, and nobody defends it. The only thing people ever do is clarify how it works, which is not helpful because everybody knows how it works. Or some people tell other people to ignore it, which we've all heard a hundred times already.

I haven't seen anybody ever try to argue that it's a good system.

Talking about it any more unless it gets changed somehow seems dumb.


I just assumed the whole discussion fell under "Elo Hell", which is one of the taboo topics.

if it's not then it should be

this discussion sucks lol


I don't think there's an angle from which we haven't examined it and all the conclusions are the same.

So yeah.

imo we should make more analogies

analogies are the best

it's like if dr mundo did 200 pushups and got 20 lp to be promoted to silver belt
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 17:39:08
June 04 2013 17:38 GMT
#5283
On June 05 2013 02:22 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 02:13 Vanka wrote:
They only put the league system on the chinese server like last week (they tried 2 times before, but it had bugged out within days the last two tries). After not being able to hit 2000 elo, ever, to get into diamond range for the past two months, I get from plat 2 to diamond 5 in ~20 games. Clearly it is superior because I'm able to get higher with it.

That's the whole point, milestones. MMOs now have it down to a science when it comes to how to get people hooked. The League system isn't about improving the ranking system (Elo rating was doing just fine), it's about giving people clear goals and a gradual sense of accomplishment, it's an extension of the level-up.


Except it doesn't give people a gradual sense of accomplishment, at all. And nobody tries to argue that it does.

So why talk about it.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
June 04 2013 17:42 GMT
#5284
Actually it is true that the new system makes it hard for people to get promoted.
That is because in the old system, the Elo was just a number, did not had a ceiling and therefore we had what alot of people refered to as elo inflation. Now the ladder jas a ceiling, 50 spots in challenger, and the division have to keep the same %of the entire population. So it makes it harder to.climb to fight the inflation that we get in the invisible mmr under the system
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 04 2013 17:44 GMT
#5285
At the end of the day the only real change to the system was including number of wins into the matching metric. Everything else is just facade.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 04 2013 17:44 GMT
#5286
lol qtpie playing bronze ranked on smurf; shit is hilarious.
liftlift > tsm
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 17:49:53
June 04 2013 17:49 GMT
#5287
Ahahahaha Lux support puts all her wards down by 1:15 2 behind purple side blue buff and 1 at dragon. I ask why and i get

Omg noob
They might inv
U fucking noob
dont u know
l2p ranked

3 wards by 1:15 for an invade that wasnt even hinted at, they never invaded and she wasted 225g and probably the most vital part of botlane. God i love people sometimes XD


Shit is hillarious. Unlike qtpie smashing noobs.
Useless wet fish.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 04 2013 17:49 GMT
#5288
On June 05 2013 02:44 wei2coolman wrote:
lol qtpie playing bronze ranked on smurf; shit is hilarious.


in all honesty qtpie's stream is the first one since theoddone's which i'd really call hilarious, whenever that guy opens his mouth saying random shit I laugh so hard.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 04 2013 17:56 GMT
#5289
On June 05 2013 02:49 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 02:44 wei2coolman wrote:
lol qtpie playing bronze ranked on smurf; shit is hilarious.


in all honesty qtpie's stream is the first one since theoddone's which i'd really call hilarious, whenever that guy opens his mouth saying random shit I laugh so hard.

so fucking hilarious. bronze level plays every 5 seconds,
liftlift > tsm
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 04 2013 17:57 GMT
#5290
On June 05 2013 02:14 Scip wrote:
all set-up sweepers own Blissey in this metagame imho. And then there are the still troubling problems with WObbufett who just totally owns her

Blissey got wrecked in Gen IV after the Physical/Special Split. Also Stealth Rocks was a crazy introduction as well. But yeah set-up sweepers are pretty terrifying. The fact that Wobbuffett has dropped from Ubers to Borderline, previous tanks/walls/sponges like Cresselia have just dropped to UU and the Lati@s twins and Garchomp are in OP is also pretty crazy to me. But Gen V is all about the weather wars anyway.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Lounge
Profile Joined November 2011
537 Posts
June 04 2013 17:57 GMT
#5291
The new system sucks so bad. You have to beat all the elite 4 in a row and then win against your rival. I'm not saying I'm should be a Pokemon Master but I feel like I'm really stuck in Elite 4 Hell. Like I could totally 1v1 anyone in Gary Oak's division but the system is designed to screw me over so I can't. I get stuck with so many Youngsters and Lasses every game I play and I know I'm at least a Cool Trainer.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 04 2013 18:03 GMT
#5292
On June 05 2013 02:57 Lounge wrote:
The new system sucks so bad. You have to beat all the elite 4 in a row and then win against your rival. I'm not saying I'm should be a Pokemon Master but I feel like I'm really stuck in Elite 4 Hell. Like I could totally 1v1 anyone in Gary Oak's division but the system is designed to screw me over so I can't. I get stuck with so many Youngsters and Lasses every game I play and I know I'm at least a Cool Trainer.

10/10 would read again.
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 04 2013 18:05 GMT
#5293
On June 05 2013 02:44 Numy wrote:
At the end of the day the only real change to the system was including number of wins into the matching metric. Everything else is just facade.

People are just mad that the system doesn't let them progress without them actually improving.

For all people complained about Elo inflation, it did a good job lulling people into the idea that they were improving gradually even if they weren't because of the steady upward slide of everyone's Elo over a season.
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 18:06:22
June 04 2013 18:06 GMT
#5294
I have to off-topic this thread with some awesome almost-NSFW game-maps.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184466&currentpage=54#1065

(Last page :3)
Useless wet fish.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 04 2013 18:07 GMT
#5295
On June 05 2013 03:05 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 02:44 Numy wrote:
At the end of the day the only real change to the system was including number of wins into the matching metric. Everything else is just facade.

People are just mad that the system doesn't let them progress without them actually improving.

For all people complained about Elo inflation, it did a good job lulling people into the idea that they were improving gradually even if they weren't because of the steady upward slide of everyone's Elo over a season.


I could be wrong, but I feel that Gold V people are wayyyy worse than 1500 Elo players from last season. I think Riot secretly lowered the bar with the introduction of the new league system.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-04 18:11:36
June 04 2013 18:11 GMT
#5296
Since qtpie started streaming I haven't watched another stream if it's on.The guy is comedy gold.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 04 2013 18:17 GMT
#5297
On June 05 2013 03:07 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 03:05 TheYango wrote:
On June 05 2013 02:44 Numy wrote:
At the end of the day the only real change to the system was including number of wins into the matching metric. Everything else is just facade.

People are just mad that the system doesn't let them progress without them actually improving.

For all people complained about Elo inflation, it did a good job lulling people into the idea that they were improving gradually even if they weren't because of the steady upward slide of everyone's Elo over a season.


I could be wrong, but I feel that Gold V people are wayyyy worse than 1500 Elo players from last season. I think Riot secretly lowered the bar with the introduction of the new league system.

The "V" of any division is usually pretty shit; cuz you can't drop out of it. So if a silver player gets a lucky 10 game ranked winning streak, they get put into Gold, but now they can't drop out of it.
liftlift > tsm
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
June 04 2013 18:19 GMT
#5298
On June 05 2013 03:11 nafta wrote:
Since qtpie started streaming I haven't watched another stream if it's on.The guy is comedy gold.

Best stream ever!
This shit beat all challenger streams.
Terran
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 04 2013 18:20 GMT
#5299
On June 05 2013 03:07 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 03:05 TheYango wrote:
On June 05 2013 02:44 Numy wrote:
At the end of the day the only real change to the system was including number of wins into the matching metric. Everything else is just facade.

People are just mad that the system doesn't let them progress without them actually improving.

For all people complained about Elo inflation, it did a good job lulling people into the idea that they were improving gradually even if they weren't because of the steady upward slide of everyone's Elo over a season.


I could be wrong, but I feel that Gold V people are wayyyy worse than 1500 Elo players from last season. I think Riot secretly lowered the bar with the introduction of the new league system.


Since you can't get demoted by playing bad Gold V, Plat V, Diamond V players have a high tendency to be really bad and not truly be what ranking they are.

You can luck out in placements and end up in Gold but really be a Silver or Bronze player and the only way to drop down would be to just not play ranked at all for like three months. You could be boosted to Plat V or Diamond V, or possibly gotten really really lucky throughout multiple promotions, and not truly be Plat or Diamond caliber player but stay at that tier for all of S3.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
June 04 2013 18:20 GMT
#5300
On June 05 2013 03:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 03:07 Sufficiency wrote:
On June 05 2013 03:05 TheYango wrote:
On June 05 2013 02:44 Numy wrote:
At the end of the day the only real change to the system was including number of wins into the matching metric. Everything else is just facade.

People are just mad that the system doesn't let them progress without them actually improving.

For all people complained about Elo inflation, it did a good job lulling people into the idea that they were improving gradually even if they weren't because of the steady upward slide of everyone's Elo over a season.


I could be wrong, but I feel that Gold V people are wayyyy worse than 1500 Elo players from last season. I think Riot secretly lowered the bar with the introduction of the new league system.

The "V" of any division is usually pretty shit; cuz you can't drop out of it. So if a silver player gets a lucky 10 game ranked winning streak, they get put into Gold, but now they can't drop out of it.


It's also the hardest one to get out of if you are around that elo.There are good people and very bad people it's just so random lol.
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