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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 17:46:38
May 28 2013 17:45 GMT
#3521
Matter of time before ppl leave due to servers really. We had this discussion a while back.

Riot fails hard in this situation "Oh hey guys, we've been investigating this issue for ages"

But they neglected to check the patch / client update that was put on before all the issues started happening untill korea upgraded and started having problems too.

Isnt that like, priority number #1? Issue with the servers? Check recently added shit.

Now suddenly korea has problems with a recent update they're all "it'll be fixed in 10 mins!"
Useless wet fish.
komokun
Profile Joined July 2011
France343 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 17:48:12
May 28 2013 17:46 GMT
#3522
On May 29 2013 02:20 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 02:11 Ketara wrote:
On May 29 2013 01:54 nafta wrote:
On May 29 2013 01:50 Ketara wrote:
By the way, I've been doing a thing when I play Zac. I know this isn't standard but tell me what you guys think about it.

I've been maxing E first instead of W, and then since I have real short cooldown jumps early, I take Exhaust instead of Flash. Then in teamfights I dive into the backline and exhaust the enemy carry before bouncing around.

I think it is a little less damage but a lot more utility early and a better late game.

Thoughts?


If you are talking about jungle maxing e is standart.Maxing w isn't standart on neither top nor jungle.


All of the Zacs at the all stars were maxing W first, from what I saw.


Really?I didn't pay attention to all stars but solo q everyone goes q max top and e max jungle.Also pretty sure they maxed e in jungle otherwise they wouldn't do the insanely long range ganks.


From what I see, toplane Zac usually max Q->E and jungle Zac either max W or E.
I don't know if I'm the only one doing that but there are certain champs I mix the way I skill them up. Zac is one of them. I usually get 2 or 3 points into jump then max W for jungle Zac unless I feel like I need a stronger slow in which case I go for Q.

I still think flash is too important because it allows you to move while bouncing and CC as many people as possible in a TF, then come back onto the squishier targets to finish them off.
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
May 28 2013 17:49 GMT
#3523
On May 29 2013 02:11 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 01:54 nafta wrote:
On May 29 2013 01:50 Ketara wrote:
By the way, I've been doing a thing when I play Zac. I know this isn't standard but tell me what you guys think about it.

I've been maxing E first instead of W, and then since I have real short cooldown jumps early, I take Exhaust instead of Flash. Then in teamfights I dive into the backline and exhaust the enemy carry before bouncing around.

I think it is a little less damage but a lot more utility early and a better late game.

Thoughts?


If you are talking about jungle maxing e is standart.Maxing w isn't standart on neither top nor jungle.


All of the Zacs at the all stars were maxing W first, from what I saw.


The standard from top lane is to max q first, e second and w last. Some people prefer to max w first and then e next (seen a couple max q next - don't like it at all).
wat
zergnewb
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States816 Posts
May 28 2013 17:58 GMT
#3524
I've had to go against Zac top a few games now. He was always behind but holy crap he could make my hp drop fast with all of his jumping bull crap.
Welcome to the Durst-Zone
Spaiku
Profile Joined July 2012
Spain1114 Posts
May 28 2013 18:03 GMT
#3525
I find this Doublelift coment so dumb

"I love trash-talk. PraY is good, probably better than me in lane with Caitlyn - but he's dead wrong. There's not very many Korean ADs that play at a high level at all"

Just because korean ad carries play with other 4 good players and don't afk farm to 400 cs and get all the team kills does that mean they don't "play at a high level at all".

He also admits that Korea is the most talented region, is there something mystic about the ad carry position that makes koreans bad at it while they're the best at every other position?

Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 28 2013 18:10 GMT
#3526
he says they are the best, not that there are LOTS of good players, its just there aren't many really good players like froggen and dl in europe and NA while there are a bunch of them in korea

not role specific at all
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
May 28 2013 18:10 GMT
#3527
On May 29 2013 03:03 Spaiku wrote:
I find this Doublelift coment so dumb

"I love trash-talk. PraY is good, probably better than me in lane with Caitlyn - but he's dead wrong. There's not very many Korean ADs that play at a high level at all"

Just because korean ad carries play with other 4 good players and don't afk farm to 400 cs and get all the team kills does that mean they don't "play at a high level at all".

He also admits that Korea is the most talented region, is there something mystic about the ad carry position that makes koreans bad at it while they're the best at every other position?



Doublelift also called Europe's bot lanes weak (lacking fundamentals was how he put it), and I'm sure he doesn't think NA's bot lanes play at a high level. I think Doublelift's criticism just stems from the fact that in his mind a "high level" of play for ADC is a nebulous mechanically perfect playstyle that nobody will reach. I think the only ADC that he's ever shown respect for is Weixiao.
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
May 28 2013 18:12 GMT
#3528
On May 29 2013 01:54 mr_tolkien wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1f76hr/doublelift_ama_postallstars/

Pretty interesting AMA. Doublelift calling himself the most overrated player in the world atm :p


He is almost bipolar in his estimation of himself, one day he is the destroyer of worlds, in another he is a piece of garbage. It's the same with his evaluation of other players too, there's certain he respects to no ends, and others have to jump over hoops just to get a nod of recognition. It's a trend I've noticed amongst professional players. They really are heavily influenced by their current form, their confidence level, what they experienced in the past, and their recent performances. Their view of the world swings so heavily by these factors that they are almost no different from the fans when it comes to having heavily biased views on various topics.

I can assure you that his glowing praise towards MadLife is almost entirely due to the fact that his Thresh single handidly ruined Doublelift's laning phase against Korea. Imagine if Thresh had been banned instead of Lee Sin, and MadLife had picked a more passive, and less broken champion such as Lulu, then he might have never gotten the nod of approval from Doublelift to the degree he showed here. All this from the two games he played from an All Stars Championship. One day he is a world class player, and after two games of living up to his fame MadLife suddenly becomes a god in the eyes of Doublelift and the Western viewership.

Then again, Doublelift manages to keep his opinion on WeiXiao fairly stable despite facing against him in perhaps the most hyped match-up because he has a certain degree of respect for him. He relates to WeiXiao on the hardships he has faced due to ever-changing bottom lane partnerships and subpar supporting in general that affected his performances over the past few months.

It's also part of the reason why he feels so reluctant to acknowledge Korean AD carries in general because of his past experience in Korea. Cpt Jack was an AD carry that had enough qualities to function well in a well-oiled machine that was Azubu Blaze (in my opinion the best team in the world at the time), and when he came out victorious against world famous AD carries such as Doublelift, and WeiXiao, the Korean press lauded undeserved praise towards him, championing him as the best AD carry in the world.

It was an injustice towards superior AD carries at the time, and Doublelift has never been hesitant to call out the mediocre skillset of Cpt Jack (and his fellow Korean AD carries) relative to their success and recognition world-wide. While his views exposed the truth at the time, it has gotten to the point where any AD carry from Korea automatically gets a stigma that the support player is doing all the work, and nothing he does becomes impressive in the eyes of Doublelift. It's a biased way of looking at the world that was influenced by the negative experience he had in the past, and he'll never accept world class AD carries such as PraY with the ease he'll accept the likes of WeiXiao for example.

Of course, Doublelift isn't alone in this. We all have our biases, but it's easier to read into Doublelift's because his story and background is so well known.
TL+ Member
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
May 28 2013 18:12 GMT
#3529
So I finally settled on Mid and decided on
Ryze, Ori, Kha and Kennen as my go to champion pool for now.
All champs are fun to play for me, and except for Ori, relatively easy.

Then the obvious question appeared WHY ISN'T THERE A PIKACHU KENNEN YET?
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 19:09:40
May 28 2013 18:14 GMT
#3530
On May 29 2013 00:35 BlackPaladin wrote:
Damn smash was only a d player? D:
Figured he'd be like high c at least.
I was c- at my highest. There is such a huge discrepency from d to c it's like bronze/silver league lol.
Like i had 100 apm max cause i suck dick, so i mainly won games off of strategy and better micro (i used to be able to micro like a boss in scbw from all those UMS lotr defense games, hue). But my macro sucked cock due to it. If i needed to micro it meant my macro went to shit ;-; so when i was done microing in a fight i'd have a billion resources but no troops and would instadie.

na man, I was fraudulent as fuck at broodwar. thank god LoL came along so that I could actually be good at a game among TLers. I guess to be fair, I didn't even try to play BW competitively until like Fall 08, but yea, still sucked.

On May 29 2013 02:11 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 01:54 nafta wrote:
On May 29 2013 01:50 Ketara wrote:
By the way, I've been doing a thing when I play Zac. I know this isn't standard but tell me what you guys think about it.

I've been maxing E first instead of W, and then since I have real short cooldown jumps early, I take Exhaust instead of Flash. Then in teamfights I dive into the backline and exhaust the enemy carry before bouncing around.

I think it is a little less damage but a lot more utility early and a better late game.

Thoughts?


If you are talking about jungle maxing e is standart.Maxing w isn't standart on neither top nor jungle.


All of the Zacs at the all stars were maxing W first, from what I saw.

I would be incredibly surprised if this is accurate. E max first is sooooo much better.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
May 28 2013 18:15 GMT
#3531
On May 29 2013 02:34 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 01:00 Numy wrote:
On May 29 2013 00:01 Argoth. wrote:
On May 28 2013 23:33 EquilasH wrote:
On May 28 2013 19:21 OutlaW- wrote:
Is this the right place to ask this? I've been trying to login for 15 minutes now and always getting this -.-
[image loading]
Is there a way to fix this, I remember I got it yesterday as well but it eventually went away

I kept getting it - found a fix that told me to change my DNS to 4.2.2.2 (alternate: 4.2.2.3) and it worked 100%.

having the same issue. srsly riot...


Now i'm having same issue too lol. Still not a word from Riot about this mess.

edit: I just found this
Guys,

It looks like we might have something. Today we started to notice very similar issues on Korean shard, which basically means, that this problem might be client, not platform related. KR shard is now running same 3.7 version of the client, which might finally point our investigation into right direction. Please give us some time to confirm this before I call it a breakthrough. If we're right, then fixing this will be a matter of hours as we can roll back the changes or just release a hotfix.

Also, we plan to remove all penalties caused by disconnects, so the leaverbuster problem (for the period starting on May 18th) should be quickly mitigated.

And obviously we never stopped investigating this, although there was no visible progress to announce.

Souce: http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=11792982#11792982

Which begs the question why isn't NA experiencing same. Meh think i'm just going to give up playing lol and find something else to play. Every single time I get excited to play there's countless issues hindering playing. Too frustrating.



You can't move to another server or something? Would be sad to see someone leaving the game, cus the server's are shit.


US gives around 300. So nah EUW is only option.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 28 2013 18:19 GMT
#3532
On May 29 2013 03:14 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 00:35 BlackPaladin wrote:
Damn smash was only a d player? D:
Figured he'd be like high c at least.
I was c- at my highest. There is such a huge discrepency from d to c it's like bronze/silver league lol.
Like i had 100 apm max cause i suck dick, so i mainly won games off of strategy and better micro (i used to be able to micro like a boss in scbw from all those UMS lotr defense games, hue). But my macro sucked cock due to it. If i needed to micro it meant my macro went to shit ;-; so when i was done microing in a fight i'd have a billion resources but no troops and would instadie.

na man, I was fraudulent as fuck at broodwar. thank god LoL came along so that I could actually be good at a game among TLers. I guess to be fair, I even try to play BW competitively until like Fall 08, but yea, still sucked.

Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 02:11 Ketara wrote:
On May 29 2013 01:54 nafta wrote:
On May 29 2013 01:50 Ketara wrote:
By the way, I've been doing a thing when I play Zac. I know this isn't standard but tell me what you guys think about it.

I've been maxing E first instead of W, and then since I have real short cooldown jumps early, I take Exhaust instead of Flash. Then in teamfights I dive into the backline and exhaust the enemy carry before bouncing around.

I think it is a little less damage but a lot more utility early and a better late game.

Thoughts?


If you are talking about jungle maxing e is standart.Maxing w isn't standart on neither top nor jungle.


All of the Zacs at the all stars were maxing W first, from what I saw.

I would be incredibly surprised if this is accurate. E max first is sooooo much better.


So, my Q max plan is the worst?
Freeeeeeedom
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 28 2013 18:22 GMT
#3533
On May 29 2013 03:12 Keniji wrote:
So I finally settled on Mid and decided on
Ryze, Ori, Kha and Kennen as my go to champion pool for now.
All champs are fun to play for me, and except for Ori, relatively easy.

Then the obvious question appeared WHY ISN'T THERE A PIKACHU KENNEN YET?
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Mid lane is by far the hardest lane to get to play. Not saying that should really impact your choice in role but I personally find mid lane to be the most fun and enjoyable role but find myself rarely getting to play it and usually forced onto ADC, support, or jungle because I don't really mind filling other positions and someone absolutely always wants to play mid. It's probably the only role where you can only reasonably depend on getting it if you're 1st or 2nd pick. By 3rd pick mid is usually gone lol.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
May 28 2013 18:24 GMT
#3534
On May 29 2013 01:53 Badboyrune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 01:26 Sermokala wrote:
On May 29 2013 01:17 Badboyrune wrote:
On May 28 2013 23:57 Ketara wrote:
On May 28 2013 23:55 Requizen wrote:
On May 28 2013 23:50 Slayer91 wrote:
jayce and elise have the issue of basically being the kits of 2 champs just without an ult

its like udyr except with gap closing and burst damage

I'm just not sure what Jayce's weakness is supposed to be. Strong poke and harass, strong 1v1 initiate and disengage. I guess you can force him to 2v1 but even then he can farm way better than most top laners. It's just really annoying that he doesn't really have a true weakness to exploit.

Elise is only marginally better because she isn't so mobile and her stun isn't nearly as annoying as a knockback/stun, but yeah. I said it in the QQ thread, but they're both like Nidalee but with actually really strong late games, and that's not quite fair imo.


His weakness is he doesn't have an ult.

Also mana management.


mana management lol

i felt like it was ages since riot made a champ that actually required mana management, manaless or not. I guess it would nami, but who cares about supports right?

Ziggs needs blue more despretly then an addic ever needs their fix. Even chalice won't solve his mana issues.

Once nami gets a chalice shes pretty set for mana for the rest of the game.


It's pretty sad when the last champion that requires mana management was released over a year ago


Post-nerf Elise is very mana intensive. I'd bet Syndra is too.
I am the Town Medic.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
May 28 2013 18:24 GMT
#3535
Oh god that DL AMA is hilarious. An orangatang + madlife botlane lollllll
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 28 2013 18:29 GMT
#3536
Difference between D and C in BW was like Bronze to Gold in League, or Bronze to mid/high Masters in SC2.

Did someone put Dlift on Ritalin or something? Or did they just take him off of something else?
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
May 28 2013 18:30 GMT
#3537
On May 29 2013 03:19 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 03:14 Mogwai wrote:
On May 29 2013 00:35 BlackPaladin wrote:
Damn smash was only a d player? D:
Figured he'd be like high c at least.
I was c- at my highest. There is such a huge discrepency from d to c it's like bronze/silver league lol.
Like i had 100 apm max cause i suck dick, so i mainly won games off of strategy and better micro (i used to be able to micro like a boss in scbw from all those UMS lotr defense games, hue). But my macro sucked cock due to it. If i needed to micro it meant my macro went to shit ;-; so when i was done microing in a fight i'd have a billion resources but no troops and would instadie.

na man, I was fraudulent as fuck at broodwar. thank god LoL came along so that I could actually be good at a game among TLers. I guess to be fair, I even try to play BW competitively until like Fall 08, but yea, still sucked.

On May 29 2013 02:11 Ketara wrote:
On May 29 2013 01:54 nafta wrote:
On May 29 2013 01:50 Ketara wrote:
By the way, I've been doing a thing when I play Zac. I know this isn't standard but tell me what you guys think about it.

I've been maxing E first instead of W, and then since I have real short cooldown jumps early, I take Exhaust instead of Flash. Then in teamfights I dive into the backline and exhaust the enemy carry before bouncing around.

I think it is a little less damage but a lot more utility early and a better late game.

Thoughts?


If you are talking about jungle maxing e is standart.Maxing w isn't standart on neither top nor jungle.


All of the Zacs at the all stars were maxing W first, from what I saw.

I would be incredibly surprised if this is accurate. E max first is sooooo much better.


So, my Q max plan is the worst?

In lane Q is best because of the damage rate on it. However in the jungle, E is better for ganks and W gives better sustained damage. W would be better in a lane where you can sit on a target and get several Ws off in a row, however, more often than not you're going to be farming/trading with a single combo, so one Q is better than one W.
It's your boy Guzma!
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 28 2013 18:33 GMT
#3538
On May 29 2013 03:30 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 03:19 cLutZ wrote:
On May 29 2013 03:14 Mogwai wrote:
On May 29 2013 00:35 BlackPaladin wrote:
Damn smash was only a d player? D:
Figured he'd be like high c at least.
I was c- at my highest. There is such a huge discrepency from d to c it's like bronze/silver league lol.
Like i had 100 apm max cause i suck dick, so i mainly won games off of strategy and better micro (i used to be able to micro like a boss in scbw from all those UMS lotr defense games, hue). But my macro sucked cock due to it. If i needed to micro it meant my macro went to shit ;-; so when i was done microing in a fight i'd have a billion resources but no troops and would instadie.

na man, I was fraudulent as fuck at broodwar. thank god LoL came along so that I could actually be good at a game among TLers. I guess to be fair, I even try to play BW competitively until like Fall 08, but yea, still sucked.

On May 29 2013 02:11 Ketara wrote:
On May 29 2013 01:54 nafta wrote:
On May 29 2013 01:50 Ketara wrote:
By the way, I've been doing a thing when I play Zac. I know this isn't standard but tell me what you guys think about it.

I've been maxing E first instead of W, and then since I have real short cooldown jumps early, I take Exhaust instead of Flash. Then in teamfights I dive into the backline and exhaust the enemy carry before bouncing around.

I think it is a little less damage but a lot more utility early and a better late game.

Thoughts?


If you are talking about jungle maxing e is standart.Maxing w isn't standart on neither top nor jungle.


All of the Zacs at the all stars were maxing W first, from what I saw.

I would be incredibly surprised if this is accurate. E max first is sooooo much better.


So, my Q max plan is the worst?

In lane Q is best because of the damage rate on it. However in the jungle, E is better for ganks and W gives better sustained damage. W would be better in a lane where you can sit on a target and get several Ws off in a row, however, more often than not you're going to be farming/trading with a single combo, so one Q is better than one W.


Ahh, that is what I though, cus W's CD doesnt go down.
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-28 18:39:25
May 28 2013 18:34 GMT
#3539
On May 29 2013 03:24 BlackPaladin wrote:
Oh god that DL AMA is hilarious. An orangatang + madlife botlane lollllll

I learned that there's no such thing as best, only world-class. If you strive to be the best you'll never get there, but you can fall a bit short and end up world-class. Anyone can have a bad day and lose to another godlike player, but it's all about the bigger picture

This is actually a fucking great quote from his AMA.
Glad his AMA actually answers questions; fucking St.V's ama were all like 2-4 word answers.

another gem
the most important thing I took away from Allstars is that everyone makes mistakes, and frequently. It's about the long walk, not the short run
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 28 2013 18:38 GMT
#3540
On May 29 2013 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2013 03:24 BlackPaladin wrote:
Oh god that DL AMA is hilarious. An orangatang + madlife botlane lollllll

Show nested quote +
I learned that there's no such thing as best, only world-class. If you strive to be the best you'll never get there, but you can fall a bit short and end up world-class. Anyone can have a bad day and lose to another godlike player, but it's all about the bigger picture

This is actually a fucking great quote from his AMA.
Glad his AMA actually answers questions; fucking St.V's ama were all like 2-4 word answers.

Those AMAs are the worst T_T

If you're gonna take the time to do one do it right.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
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