EPTVery rarely you'll see them ban a champ that completely shits on something they want to play
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Very rarely you'll see them ban a champ that completely shits on something they want to play | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On May 26 2013 18:08 TheLink wrote: I don't understand why bans should be a crutch. If someone is strong on a champion (Froggen Anivia being #1 example) then I want to see that champion and I believe the onus should be on the enemy team to beat it. Now 3 bans is enough so that it can't be taken to extremes (you can't literally be a 1-champ wonder) and 3 bans is enough to act as a safety net in case someone discovers something totally broken in a tournament. If Madlife has a sick Thresh then the opposing team should be playing a game versus a sick Thresh, not ban it out and move onto his next best champ. Basically I believe bans should NOT be a part of team strategy to the extent you guys seem to want it. Counterplay should come from your own plan and not from bans. Man up and get good enough at a champion to beat other peoples signature champions. I agree, better to lose a tourney game and lose out on a lot of money so you could man up on the fly and beat someones signature champion, instead of you know, just focussing on winning. | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
On May 26 2013 18:21 JackDino wrote: I agree, better to lose a tourney game and lose out on a lot of money so you could man up on the fly and beat someones signature champion, instead of you know, just focussing on winning. What? being better than your opponent isn't a part of winning anymore? | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On May 26 2013 18:27 TheLink wrote: Pretty sure the #1 complaint about pro DotA, and to a much lesser extent LoL, is that the game is too heavily influenced by pick/bans and less about gameplay. Hell even the starcraft guys all bitch about build order wins. I like Riot's approach to emphasising in-game over drafting. I don't want to play a 5 minute match in drafting and then spend 40 mins waiting for it to finish playing out as expected. What? being better than your opponent isn't a part of winning anymore? It is. So is denying the enemy a champ they're good with. In tourneys you play to win, not to stroke your epeen or whatever because you beat their champ. | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
Why shouldn't players be allowed to play their best champions in tournaments? | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On May 26 2013 18:31 TheLink wrote: Ok I'm going to pose a question. Why shouldn't players be allowed to play their best champions in tournaments? Because there is nothing interesting about watching the same thing being played every time. It's the same reason why all the games aren't blind pick. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On May 26 2013 18:31 TheLink wrote: Ok I'm going to pose a question. Why shouldn't players be allowed to play their best champions in tournaments? Because, y'know, it improves their chances of beating you, and that's not what you want. I remember a SC2 guy whose style was deemed boring, and in an interview he answered to that "I play to win", eg. in a competitive setting he has no obligation of entertaining the crowd, and if the optimal way to play is a boring one, then it's the designer's responsibility, not his. (Of course you then have stuff like EG where their super boring style is a product of their flaws rather than the game, as showed by other teams.) | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On May 26 2013 18:31 TheLink wrote: Ok I'm going to pose a question. Why shouldn't players be allowed to play their best champions in tournaments? Wait a second... so you're telling me seeing TF, Shen, Rumble, Kha'zix, Zed, Sona, Thresh, Jayce repeatedly isn't fun? You may be on to something. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Bans take out roughly 10% of the champion pool, and guaranteed there are more than 6 strong champions. Honestly, I don't think the ban/pick phase of LoL is that important in the grand scheme of things because the draft depth is so shallow. Ban signature heroes > leave shit like jayce/khazix/zed/thresh etc open. Don't ban signature heroes, and people learn why they're called such. Teams largely go into a game with a strategy/comp in mind, and apart from certain picks like malphite, they don't really respond to enemy picks because of lane swapping to negate poor matchups at higher levels. I think it would be cool if LoL took a somewhat different approach to Dota's CM when they change it. Maybe a 1/1/1/1 ban phase, followed by 1/2/1 pick and then another 1/1/1/1 ban phase. Give's a higher chance of letting OP/signature champs through, while giving both teams a chance to eliminate complementary heroes. I think because of how static the meta is for league(as far as picks go), it's easier to ban out complementary heroes after seeing only 2 picks | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On May 26 2013 18:31 TheLink wrote: Ok I'm going to pose a question. Why shouldn't players be allowed to play their best champions in tournaments? But they are, there's 5 players on a team, only 3 bans and then there's first pick. One will always play his best champ if he wants to, sometimes even 2 will always play their best champ. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1f2n5j/closing_ceremony_cancelled/ | ||
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vvSiegvv
United States364 Posts
On May 26 2013 20:19 justiceknight wrote: lol fucking real http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1f2n5j/closing_ceremony_cancelled/ Real.... I mean I understand being passionate about your country and team but come on.... | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On May 26 2013 20:30 Chrispy wrote: I have to withhold judgement, as I am from British Columbia and we don't exactly have the greatest track record when it comes to handling losses. I think with the way the last few seasons went, we have steeled our hearts, and hardened our skin to inevitable disappointment. Still hurts though to be known as a city of sore losers =( | ||
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Lylat
France8572 Posts
On May 26 2013 20:19 justiceknight wrote: lol fucking real http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1f2n5j/closing_ceremony_cancelled/ omg e-hooligans ! | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On May 26 2013 20:38 Amui wrote: I think with the way the last few seasons went, we have steeled our hearts, and hardened our skin to inevitable disappointment. Still hurts though to be known as a city of sore losers =( Well, its not that the Chinese oppose the closing ceremony, they just left. You can't hold a ceremony in on an empty stadium  .But yeah, Chinese are sore losers, just play on CN and you will see. Flame, blame everywhere, I've played like 250 ranked games on CN(and about 600 normals) and only 20% of that has no flame and rage etc. Another reason is Chinese don't like Koreans, in their hate list Japan is number one, the 2nd place is Korea. If it was NA that beat them in the final, I think they would felt better than the Korean beating them. Thats how serious it is. As an Asian country, they tend to connect politic/history with sport event. Korean has very serious national pride as well, it just the way it is in East Asia. Ofc, there are still alot of well-manned fans in China but I think the number of no-respect fans are very high. | ||
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
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Lylat
France8572 Posts
On May 26 2013 20:55 Caphe wrote: Well, its not that the Chinese oppose the closing ceremony, they just left. You can't hold a ceremony in on an empty stadium .Apparently they made the korean fans leave too. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
Now that is some dick move. I was surprise to see the stadium complete deserted since Shanghai has alot of Koreans. I went to school with like hundreds of Koreans in Shanghai. | ||
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