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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
May 10 2013 19:22 GMT
#2861
if its going to make you win lane you will be more ahead than if you had gp10 quints i assure you

whether that does help you win lane depends on comps. Only all in bot comps really make hp quints worth it. Any harass and armour quints are better because of all the pots and w heals you have for hp to scale with the quints.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
May 10 2013 19:40 GMT
#2862
anyone having lissandra success?

i keep losing my lissy games even though i do well.
i've been going RoA/Zhonya's/Warmogs or Morellos.

it feels like she's super squishy so in order to use my abilities i have to be tanky. the short cooldown Q makes me think that you need to be spamming it, but if you don't build tanky then you just blow up instantly.

the short range on her Q also gives a lot of difficult matchups for her in lane. syndra just absolutely smashed me.
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
May 10 2013 20:14 GMT
#2863
I've copied it from Xpekes stream and had great success with 21/9/0, standard ap runes and going Nomicon first and then whatever I need/want out of Zhonyas, Abyssal, Deathcap/DFG. I just play her for full burst, using Zhonyas and eventually ult as protection, worked really well, just gotta find the right time to jump in.
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
May 10 2013 21:18 GMT
#2864
Anyone feel with the tiamat cost being lowered, and with rej. bead becoming more and more popular as a starting item that tiamat is actually really good right now? The AA reset is godtier x_x
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
May 10 2013 21:24 GMT
#2865
I thought the active didn't reset auto animation...
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
May 10 2013 21:27 GMT
#2866
Nope, but it "fills" the autoattack cooldown, so as long as you don't have crit/on-hit effects it's basically the same in effect.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
May 10 2013 21:37 GMT
#2867
I think the thing stopping from Hydra/Tiamat being good items is they way they get reduced damage at the edges. If it were like the old tiamat I would like it a lot better.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 21:58:15
May 10 2013 21:57 GMT
#2868
On May 11 2013 06:37 Dusty wrote:
I think the thing stopping from Hydra/Tiamat being good items is they way they get reduced damage at the edges. If it were like the old tiamat I would like it a lot better.

New Tiamat is strictly better than old Tiamat if you're just talking about the splash. The new Tiamat has a larger splash radius with reduced damage at the edges. Old Tiamat had a considerably smaller splash radius. The new Tiamat basically just added extra splash radii.
Kouda
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States2205 Posts
May 10 2013 21:57 GMT
#2869
On May 11 2013 06:27 Alaric wrote:
Nope, but it "fills" the autoattack cooldown, so as long as you don't have crit/on-hit effects it's basically the same in effect.

So it isn't a pure AA reset, but its still godtier for the cost imo ~~~ <3
soverelgne
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom72 Posts
May 10 2013 21:57 GMT
#2870
But the old tiamat didn't have that much range to begin with, so the new one still offers more aoe, even if it's reduced alone the edge.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
May 10 2013 22:04 GMT
#2871
Yeah I guess I didn't consider the ranges.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 10 2013 22:05 GMT
#2872
On May 11 2013 04:40 kainzero wrote:
anyone having lissandra success?

i keep losing my lissy games even though i do well.
i've been going RoA/Zhonya's/Warmogs or Morellos.

it feels like she's super squishy so in order to use my abilities i have to be tanky. the short cooldown Q makes me think that you need to be spamming it, but if you don't build tanky then you just blow up instantly.

the short range on her Q also gives a lot of difficult matchups for her in lane. syndra just absolutely smashed me.

I've been going Chalice -> Zhonya's -> Grail ->Dcap and then whatever with pretty decent success. Chalice/Grail is nice because you can push waves with impunity and her wave clear is quite good (also CDR is nice on her for Q spam). I don't care for RoA on her. Building tanky on her is nice, but I think you might be itemizing too heavily into defense. While E-ing into the team and ulting yourself is cool, a lot of times it's just more effective to ult someone on the enemy team. I find myself ulting myself more often as a counter engage sort of thing.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
May 10 2013 22:37 GMT
#2873
Zzzz...

ARAM not fun anymore. Everyone at my ARAM elo (Rcord is 33-13) is just ARAM smurf. Every game has atleast three of Anivia, Yi, Ziggs, Nidalee, Veigar, Maokai or Xerath.

Game basically decided by which team gets more free weeks and which team gets more smurf champions. Its frustrating because I miss the actually solid fun ARAM's I was having before where people with melee champs not auto lose because the just get poked to death cuz they bad.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 22:46:19
May 10 2013 22:45 GMT
#2874
On May 11 2013 07:05 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 04:40 kainzero wrote:
anyone having lissandra success?

i keep losing my lissy games even though i do well.
i've been going RoA/Zhonya's/Warmogs or Morellos.

it feels like she's super squishy so in order to use my abilities i have to be tanky. the short cooldown Q makes me think that you need to be spamming it, but if you don't build tanky then you just blow up instantly.

the short range on her Q also gives a lot of difficult matchups for her in lane. syndra just absolutely smashed me.

I've been going Chalice -> Zhonya's -> Grail ->Dcap and then whatever with pretty decent success. Chalice/Grail is nice because you can push waves with impunity and her wave clear is quite good (also CDR is nice on her for Q spam). I don't care for RoA on her. Building tanky on her is nice, but I think you might be itemizing too heavily into defense. While E-ing into the team and ulting yourself is cool, a lot of times it's just more effective to ult someone on the enemy team. I find myself ulting myself more often as a counter engage sort of thing.

well, the way i've been playing in teamfights is usually as initiate.

it's pretty easy to get into the back line with E, then ult one of them, root everyone around you, and then fire missiles while trying to get out of there. if I don't get defense then I usually blow up right after the root.

i'm not sure if i'm having playstyle issues or itemization issues. even then, with Zhonya's/RoA the ERWQ combo is good for 3/4 health on squishies.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
May 10 2013 22:50 GMT
#2875
On May 10 2013 10:47 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 10:44 ticklishmusic wrote:
So, what happened to the black dude with a gun?

+ Show Spoiler +
EDIT: any inappropriate connotation is completely accidental.


I saw the new champ and was like wtf too lol.

Seems like they're putting him back of the bus for this new champ.
interesting to see how this hero works
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
TheNikeYork
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States389 Posts
May 10 2013 22:52 GMT
#2876
On May 11 2013 07:50 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 10:47 Zooper31 wrote:
On May 10 2013 10:44 ticklishmusic wrote:
So, what happened to the black dude with a gun?

+ Show Spoiler +
EDIT: any inappropriate connotation is completely accidental.


I saw the new champ and was like wtf too lol.

Seems like they're putting him back of the bus for this new champ.
interesting to see how this hero works


HAHA RACISM
Everyone knows cucumbers have terrible souls
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
May 10 2013 22:55 GMT
#2877
On May 11 2013 07:37 iCanada wrote:
Zzzz...

ARAM not fun anymore. Everyone at my ARAM elo (Rcord is 33-13) is just ARAM smurf. Every game has atleast three of Anivia, Yi, Ziggs, Nidalee, Veigar, Maokai or Xerath.

How do you see record? I don't find most champs too terrible to deal with, but my teammates do ~_~. I think a good Lux is probably the worse offender.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
May 10 2013 22:56 GMT
#2878
On May 11 2013 07:45 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 07:05 onlywonderboy wrote:
On May 11 2013 04:40 kainzero wrote:
anyone having lissandra success?

i keep losing my lissy games even though i do well.
i've been going RoA/Zhonya's/Warmogs or Morellos.

it feels like she's super squishy so in order to use my abilities i have to be tanky. the short cooldown Q makes me think that you need to be spamming it, but if you don't build tanky then you just blow up instantly.

the short range on her Q also gives a lot of difficult matchups for her in lane. syndra just absolutely smashed me.

I've been going Chalice -> Zhonya's -> Grail ->Dcap and then whatever with pretty decent success. Chalice/Grail is nice because you can push waves with impunity and her wave clear is quite good (also CDR is nice on her for Q spam). I don't care for RoA on her. Building tanky on her is nice, but I think you might be itemizing too heavily into defense. While E-ing into the team and ulting yourself is cool, a lot of times it's just more effective to ult someone on the enemy team. I find myself ulting myself more often as a counter engage sort of thing.

well, the way i've been playing in teamfights is usually as initiate.

it's pretty easy to get into the back line with E, then ult one of them, root everyone around you, and then fire missiles while trying to get out of there. if I don't get defense then I usually blow up right after the root.

i'm not sure if i'm having playstyle issues or itemization issues. even then, with Zhonya's/RoA the ERWQ combo is good for 3/4 health on squishies.

Sounds like a difference in play style mostly. The E combo makes her initiation seem appealing, but I've found it's usually not ideal. I've had much more success with waiting for someone else to initiate (usually the Jungler) and following up with my skills. Her ratios are decent so I like building the mix of CDR and AP.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 23:11:23
May 10 2013 23:10 GMT
#2879
tiamat is not op

i dont know how tiamat lee sin became a thing, it's worse than tear jayce/khazix
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 23:20:50
May 10 2013 23:19 GMT
#2880
On May 11 2013 08:10 101toss wrote:
tiamat is not op

i dont know how tiamat lee sin became a thing, it's worse than tear jayce/khazix

Wait...you think Tear on Jayce and Kha is bad?
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
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