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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:56 Slayer91 wrote: how the fuck is garen anywhere close to a melee carry or anywhere close to riven (i guess they both have executish ults?) Neither Riven nor Garen are melee carries. Neither is this guy. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:57 Sufficiency wrote: % based is REALLY awkward though - because the more health you have, the less effective (flat) health regeneration is. ZAC doesn't really have this problem because his passive essentially refunds all of his health costs. But if you give % cost to, say, Mordekaiser, it will be doom to him. And lo and behold, Aatrox's passive refunds his health costs when he was about to die! Coincidence? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:51 MoonBear wrote: Heath costs eventually become negligible as the game goes late. It mainly just punishes early. Hrm. How to fix.... Even Zac health costs is 4%, so even if it scales cost with late game, but Riot always finds a way to make the sustain significantly greater than the actual cost. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:46 ticklishmusic wrote: I'm not sure about the passive CD part if its supposed to "keep him alive". Well, he's more of a carry in the sense that he does damage from autos, whereas Riven's damage comes from spells and passive procs and Garen... well, I personally wouldn't consider Garen a carry. Again with lore, I miss the reflections or w/e. Why the fuck is a 100000 year old demon battlelord joining the League? (well, I guess its cuz he likes fighting, and League is the only place to fight). Either way,he and Panth are going to be best buddies. On the note of Pantheon who seems the closest related champ (design-ish wise, AD caster-ish), I hope Riot figured him out better-- Panth falls off so hard after early/ midgame. This guy also seems really vulnerable to CC. Panth is more reliant on his abilities, as an auto-based champion with what appears to me a jump/knockup and a slow, he's probably more in line with Trynd than Panth. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:59 thenexusp wrote: And lo and behold, Aatrox's passive refunds his health costs when he was about to die! Coincidence? If his passive does not have a CD, one can assume it works immediately, unlike (say) Guardian Angel's effect which has a lag time that makes you basically invincible. His laning phase will probably work out similarly to Mordekaiser's, except you build up your Blood Well against all-ins where Mordekaiser builds shield against pokes. In this regard, Aatrox is probably strong against all-ins (and his intro seems to suggest this as well). What will make-or-break for him is probably his W's base heal and ratio. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Also utility creep. This guy has a knockup(stronger than suppress), and a slow. Honestly Riot's design team either needs to tone down every champ in the game, or else they'd need to rework a large majority of the older champs to maintain usefulness. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:51 MoonBear wrote: Heath costs eventually become negligible as the game goes late. It mainly just punishes early. Hrm. How to fix.... Make costs scale based off of % damage dealt by the skill. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:58 Sufficiency wrote: Neither Riven nor Garen are melee carries. Neither is this guy. lux and diana arent melee carries either. what's your point? i thought the argument would be relating riven and garen as hard scaling melees who can snowball but garen barely scales at all damage wise meanwhile riven hyper scales so its like complete opposite champs | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
The ganks you could pull off with that kit make me excited... tank all the damages, dive all the towers, give none of the fucks. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On May 10 2013 07:59 wei2coolman wrote: Even Zac health costs is 4%, so even if it scales cost with late game, but Riot always finds a way to make the sustain significantly greater than the actual cost. Also doesn't matter because its 4% of current as a cost and 4% of maximum as a passive, so it breaks even at some point. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 10 2013 08:13 iCanada wrote: SO, maybe its just because I suck at not jungling... But god damn that Aatrox guy sounds like a jungler. The ganks you could pull off with that kit make me excited... tank all the damages, dive all the towers, give none of the fucks. It sounds to me like his E and Q are more utility than damage oriented, so as just an auto champion his clear would be slow as hell, not to mention fairly dangerous if you don't start with W and/or use W too much in early levels. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
ALSO I WILL NEVER EVER AGAIN BELIEVE IT WHEN RIOT SAYS THEY DONT ENFORCE THE META IT SAYS RIGHT THERE THAT HE'S MEANT FOR "TOP LANE" | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
That being said, I still think Aatrox's passive very clever in design and form. I hope the numbers are also good so it becomes skill rewarding to chain skills into the passive in fights. I think he has scope for being a good carry but the fundamental issue of getting into melee range and not getting 5-man focused, cc'ed and exploded remains. Hm. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
If so, that sounds awesome, and he looks awesome. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On May 10 2013 08:21 Dusty wrote: just reading the kit he seems like a melee ad carry player's wet dream Riot trying to prove they can implement melee ADCs based on their kit hue | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 10 2013 08:22 Mondeezy wrote: Can someone explain his passive? Is it essentially a morde shield type deal that only procs on death? If so, that sounds awesome, and he looks awesome. When you use abilities, it costs health and a portion of that health is stored in a pool. When you die (hit 0), that health is refunded, but while you're idle the pool drains. So it rewards spamming/constant management to have max effectiveness. | ||
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