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On April 17 2013 01:17 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 00:30 Alaric wrote:On April 16 2013 23:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
I was seriously tired of wards preventing my ganks or people playing so safe so I bought Rengar. I guess I can go back to jungle Twitch or buy Shaco or Nocturne now. Hecarim is permaban, so Rammoose. Also apart from the "we don't talk about the tribunal here", what does the fact that he is a popular streamer has to do with the fact that you believe he doesn't deserve the ban? ôo Rammus really doesn't circumvent wards well enough. Which suddenly becomes absurd. Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 01:08 Requizen wrote:On April 17 2013 01:02 Gahlo wrote:On April 17 2013 00:15 Requizen wrote:On April 17 2013 00:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Rengar top is currently still really strong, I know a guy who does elo jobs and plays only rengar and basically never loses. Care to link info? I'm really curious as to how to make it work. I've seen a lot of people use a CDR based build with things like Kindle, Bruta, and Glacial, which I like, but perhaps I'm not using good Runes/Masteries/Skill orders. This guy is a pretty high Rengar main. He hasn't streamed for a while but he's got a decent amount of recordings up. http://www.twitch.tv/dekar173/videos?kind=past_broadcasts Looked him up on Lolking.... wow that's pretty damn impressive. Research time~ Didn't take much time he literally only has one mastery page LOL He's only gold though. I feel like there are better Rengars.
I looked up a random vod and he was in diamond.
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On April 17 2013 02:09 qanik wrote:
Just how accurate is the lolking score on lolking?
It's just a score they made up, so it has perfect accuracy to match your lolking score.
It's based on your division and league points.
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qtpie stream is fucking hilarious.
"go to zumba class, get dat body all the guys will love, and i will love you, and then i can leave leesha. don't tell leesha that".
Why is qtpie so hilarious? this guys seriously gives no fucks.
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Playing Zac now in a bot game, he actually feels quite fun to play, also quite skillbased and seems to require a ton of precision... Also makes me realize just how awful all the Zacs have been who I've played with. Might actually experiment some more.
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On April 17 2013 02:26 Shikyo wrote:
also quite skillbased and seems to require a ton of precision...
Not really, actually. It's just that his Q has a shorter range than you'd expect from this kind of "skillshots" (but it's almost instant after the wind-up, so no travel time) and I found his E tends to land shorter than the indicator if released while charging (had it released with the cursor over a target right inside the range and I landed too short to even hit them, happened quite often), but apart from that his ult only requires you to rightclick while on top of the enemy team (you could do it while simply running to them considering how you're basically cc immune during it and get a huge MS boost, but you're reliant on hitting once to get the rest of the bounces off if they have an escape ability so unless it's on cd you should avoid that) and pressing W every time it's off cd and you're not in the middle of an aa animation.
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On April 17 2013 02:14 koreasilver wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 01:17 obesechicken13 wrote:On April 17 2013 00:30 Alaric wrote:On April 16 2013 23:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
I was seriously tired of wards preventing my ganks or people playing so safe so I bought Rengar. I guess I can go back to jungle Twitch or buy Shaco or Nocturne now. Hecarim is permaban, so Rammoose. Also apart from the "we don't talk about the tribunal here", what does the fact that he is a popular streamer has to do with the fact that you believe he doesn't deserve the ban? ôo Rammus really doesn't circumvent wards well enough. Which suddenly becomes absurd. On April 17 2013 01:08 Requizen wrote:On April 17 2013 01:02 Gahlo wrote:On April 17 2013 00:15 Requizen wrote:On April 17 2013 00:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Rengar top is currently still really strong, I know a guy who does elo jobs and plays only rengar and basically never loses. Care to link info? I'm really curious as to how to make it work. I've seen a lot of people use a CDR based build with things like Kindle, Bruta, and Glacial, which I like, but perhaps I'm not using good Runes/Masteries/Skill orders. This guy is a pretty high Rengar main. He hasn't streamed for a while but he's got a decent amount of recordings up. http://www.twitch.tv/dekar173/videos?kind=past_broadcasts Looked him up on Lolking.... wow that's pretty damn impressive. Research time~ Didn't take much time he literally only has one mastery page LOL He's only gold though. I feel like there are better Rengars. I looked up a random vod and he was in diamond.
Yeah, it seems his Dekar174 account is his smurf he uses.
Theoretically if you activate Q at max Fury, can you then R, wait 3.75 seconds, jump, Q, Q, W, E, and then immediately Q again for a 7.7 AD ratio burst combo? 3 Empowered Q's. You'd also get 350% attack speed buff if the empowered Q's stack and 150% if they didn't.
I know shake made this Rengar vid at one point but I think he was relying more on IE SotD.
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On April 17 2013 02:43 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 02:14 koreasilver wrote:On April 17 2013 01:17 obesechicken13 wrote:On April 17 2013 00:30 Alaric wrote:On April 16 2013 23:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
I was seriously tired of wards preventing my ganks or people playing so safe so I bought Rengar. I guess I can go back to jungle Twitch or buy Shaco or Nocturne now. Hecarim is permaban, so Rammoose. Also apart from the "we don't talk about the tribunal here", what does the fact that he is a popular streamer has to do with the fact that you believe he doesn't deserve the ban? ôo Rammus really doesn't circumvent wards well enough. Which suddenly becomes absurd. On April 17 2013 01:08 Requizen wrote:On April 17 2013 01:02 Gahlo wrote:On April 17 2013 00:15 Requizen wrote:On April 17 2013 00:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Rengar top is currently still really strong, I know a guy who does elo jobs and plays only rengar and basically never loses. Care to link info? I'm really curious as to how to make it work. I've seen a lot of people use a CDR based build with things like Kindle, Bruta, and Glacial, which I like, but perhaps I'm not using good Runes/Masteries/Skill orders. This guy is a pretty high Rengar main. He hasn't streamed for a while but he's got a decent amount of recordings up. http://www.twitch.tv/dekar173/videos?kind=past_broadcasts Looked him up on Lolking.... wow that's pretty damn impressive. Research time~ Didn't take much time he literally only has one mastery page LOL He's only gold though. I feel like there are better Rengars. I looked up a random vod and he was in diamond. Yeah, it seems his Dekar174 account is his smurf he uses. Theoretically if you activate Q at max Fury, can you then R, wait 3.75 seconds, jump, Q, Q, W, E, and then immediately Q again for a 7.7 AD ratio burst combo? 3 Empowered Q's. You'd also get 350% attack speed buff if the empowered Q's stack and 150% if they didn't. I know shake made this Rengar vid at one point but I think he was relying more on IE SotD.
Add 1.0 AD «ratio» per Q since it's an auto as well.
EDIT : forget about me I'm stupid.
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On April 17 2013 02:26 Shikyo wrote:
Playing Zac now in a bot game, he actually feels quite fun to play, also quite skillbased and seems to require a ton of precision... Also makes me realize just how awful all the Zacs have been who I've played with. Might actually experiment some more.
I had the same experience with Vi.
I used to think that Vi was such a shit champ, to the point in which I would actually ban her to stop my own team from picking her.
Then one day I decided to try her out and realised she was actually really good, almost OP, it was just that everyone I had seen use her sucked balls.
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Karma too weak must keep buffing
Inner Flame damage increased to 80/125/170/215/260 from 60/110/160/210/260
Inspire cooldown reduced to 10 seconds from 12
+ Show Spoiler +No one tell them the truth SHHHHHHH
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On April 17 2013 03:35 Requizen wrote:Karma too weak must keep buffing Show nested quote +Inner Flame damage increased to 80/125/170/215/260 from 60/110/160/210/260
Inspire cooldown reduced to 10 seconds from 12 + Show Spoiler +No one tell them the truth SHHHHHHH
Truth is that she's still weak and that probably won't be enough
W is practically unusable and Q still is bleh. E is good sure but that just doesn't cut it when she has no ultimate.
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On April 17 2013 03:45 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 03:35 Requizen wrote:Karma too weak must keep buffing Inner Flame damage increased to 80/125/170/215/260 from 60/110/160/210/260
Inspire cooldown reduced to 10 seconds from 12 + Show Spoiler +No one tell them the truth SHHHHHHH Truth is that she's still weak and that probably won't be enough W is practically unusable and Q still is bleh. E is good sure but that just doesn't cut it when she has no ultimate.
Your naivety is kind of adorable
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On April 17 2013 02:43 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 02:14 koreasilver wrote:On April 17 2013 01:17 obesechicken13 wrote:On April 17 2013 00:30 Alaric wrote:On April 16 2013 23:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
I was seriously tired of wards preventing my ganks or people playing so safe so I bought Rengar. I guess I can go back to jungle Twitch or buy Shaco or Nocturne now. Hecarim is permaban, so Rammoose. Also apart from the "we don't talk about the tribunal here", what does the fact that he is a popular streamer has to do with the fact that you believe he doesn't deserve the ban? ôo Rammus really doesn't circumvent wards well enough. Which suddenly becomes absurd. On April 17 2013 01:08 Requizen wrote:On April 17 2013 01:02 Gahlo wrote:On April 17 2013 00:15 Requizen wrote:On April 17 2013 00:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Rengar top is currently still really strong, I know a guy who does elo jobs and plays only rengar and basically never loses. Care to link info? I'm really curious as to how to make it work. I've seen a lot of people use a CDR based build with things like Kindle, Bruta, and Glacial, which I like, but perhaps I'm not using good Runes/Masteries/Skill orders. This guy is a pretty high Rengar main. He hasn't streamed for a while but he's got a decent amount of recordings up. http://www.twitch.tv/dekar173/videos?kind=past_broadcasts Looked him up on Lolking.... wow that's pretty damn impressive. Research time~ Didn't take much time he literally only has one mastery page LOL He's only gold though. I feel like there are better Rengars. I looked up a random vod and he was in diamond. Yeah, it seems his Dekar174 account is his smurf he uses. Theoretically if you activate Q at max Fury, can you then R, wait 3.75 seconds, jump, Q, Q, W, E, and then immediately Q again for a 7.7 AD ratio burst combo? 3 Empowered Q's. You'd also get 350% attack speed buff if the empowered Q's stack and 150% if they didn't. I know shake made this Rengar vid at one point but I think he was relying more on IE SotD.
Rengar's level 1 and level 2 allin with red pot is one of the strongest among all top laner's. I've seen around 5 rengar's, and 4 of them got first blood at either level 1 or level 2.
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On April 17 2013 03:50 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 02:43 obesechicken13 wrote:On April 17 2013 02:14 koreasilver wrote:On April 17 2013 01:17 obesechicken13 wrote:On April 17 2013 00:30 Alaric wrote:On April 16 2013 23:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
I was seriously tired of wards preventing my ganks or people playing so safe so I bought Rengar. I guess I can go back to jungle Twitch or buy Shaco or Nocturne now. Hecarim is permaban, so Rammoose. Also apart from the "we don't talk about the tribunal here", what does the fact that he is a popular streamer has to do with the fact that you believe he doesn't deserve the ban? ôo Rammus really doesn't circumvent wards well enough. Which suddenly becomes absurd. On April 17 2013 01:08 Requizen wrote:On April 17 2013 01:02 Gahlo wrote:On April 17 2013 00:15 Requizen wrote:On April 17 2013 00:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Rengar top is currently still really strong, I know a guy who does elo jobs and plays only rengar and basically never loses. Care to link info? I'm really curious as to how to make it work. I've seen a lot of people use a CDR based build with things like Kindle, Bruta, and Glacial, which I like, but perhaps I'm not using good Runes/Masteries/Skill orders. This guy is a pretty high Rengar main. He hasn't streamed for a while but he's got a decent amount of recordings up. http://www.twitch.tv/dekar173/videos?kind=past_broadcasts Looked him up on Lolking.... wow that's pretty damn impressive. Research time~ Didn't take much time he literally only has one mastery page LOL He's only gold though. I feel like there are better Rengars. I looked up a random vod and he was in diamond. Yeah, it seems his Dekar174 account is his smurf he uses. Theoretically if you activate Q at max Fury, can you then R, wait 3.75 seconds, jump, Q, Q, W, E, and then immediately Q again for a 7.7 AD ratio burst combo? 3 Empowered Q's. You'd also get 350% attack speed buff if the empowered Q's stack and 150% if they didn't. I know shake made this Rengar vid at one point but I think he was relying more on IE SotD. Rengar's level 1 and level 2 allin with red pot is one of the strongest among all top laner's. I've seen around 5 rengar's, and 4 of them got first blood at either level 1 or level 2.
Garen had the strongest allin back when his Q reseted autoattack afterwards =( Too bad people found out about it a year after I started abusing it and ended up nerfing it
On April 17 2013 03:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 03:45 Shikyo wrote:On April 17 2013 03:35 Requizen wrote:Karma too weak must keep buffing Inner Flame damage increased to 80/125/170/215/260 from 60/110/160/210/260
Inspire cooldown reduced to 10 seconds from 12 + Show Spoiler +No one tell them the truth SHHHHHHH Truth is that she's still weak and that probably won't be enough W is practically unusable and Q still is bleh. E is good sure but that just doesn't cut it when she has no ultimate. Your naivety is kind of adorable
You doing well on a bad champion =/= said champion being good. She's still junk
Though I admit she's probably not the worst champion in the game(would be quinn).
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On April 17 2013 03:50 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 02:43 obesechicken13 wrote:On April 17 2013 02:14 koreasilver wrote:On April 17 2013 01:17 obesechicken13 wrote:On April 17 2013 00:30 Alaric wrote:On April 16 2013 23:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
I was seriously tired of wards preventing my ganks or people playing so safe so I bought Rengar. I guess I can go back to jungle Twitch or buy Shaco or Nocturne now. Hecarim is permaban, so Rammoose. Also apart from the "we don't talk about the tribunal here", what does the fact that he is a popular streamer has to do with the fact that you believe he doesn't deserve the ban? ôo Rammus really doesn't circumvent wards well enough. Which suddenly becomes absurd. On April 17 2013 01:08 Requizen wrote:On April 17 2013 01:02 Gahlo wrote:On April 17 2013 00:15 Requizen wrote:On April 17 2013 00:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Rengar top is currently still really strong, I know a guy who does elo jobs and plays only rengar and basically never loses. Care to link info? I'm really curious as to how to make it work. I've seen a lot of people use a CDR based build with things like Kindle, Bruta, and Glacial, which I like, but perhaps I'm not using good Runes/Masteries/Skill orders. This guy is a pretty high Rengar main. He hasn't streamed for a while but he's got a decent amount of recordings up. http://www.twitch.tv/dekar173/videos?kind=past_broadcasts Looked him up on Lolking.... wow that's pretty damn impressive. Research time~ Didn't take much time he literally only has one mastery page LOL He's only gold though. I feel like there are better Rengars. I looked up a random vod and he was in diamond. Yeah, it seems his Dekar174 account is his smurf he uses. Theoretically if you activate Q at max Fury, can you then R, wait 3.75 seconds, jump, Q, Q, W, E, and then immediately Q again for a 7.7 AD ratio burst combo? 3 Empowered Q's. You'd also get 350% attack speed buff if the empowered Q's stack and 150% if they didn't. I know shake made this Rengar vid at one point but I think he was relying more on IE SotD. Rengar's level 1 and level 2 allin with red pot is one of the strongest among all top laner's. I've seen around 5 rengar's, and 4 of them got first blood at either level 1 or level 2.
I'm sure he does but I don't like red pot. Just the idea of temporary stats seems horrible.
I was talking more about level 6 burst which changes his role for the rest of the game.
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On April 17 2013 03:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 03:45 Shikyo wrote:On April 17 2013 03:35 Requizen wrote:Karma too weak must keep buffing Inner Flame damage increased to 80/125/170/215/260 from 60/110/160/210/260
Inspire cooldown reduced to 10 seconds from 12 + Show Spoiler +No one tell them the truth SHHHHHHH Truth is that she's still weak and that probably won't be enough W is practically unusable and Q still is bleh. E is good sure but that just doesn't cut it when she has no ultimate. Your naivety is kind of adorable
I dunno I've yet to see you carry a game with her. 
Not saying she's bad and this does seem once again like Riot's MO of 'buff the shit out of something that may have been fine to begin with" but I haven't seen any proof of her being good one way or another, just a lot of talk.
+ Show Spoiler +I feel like I agree that in theory she SHOULD be good.
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On April 17 2013 04:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 03:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:On April 17 2013 03:45 Shikyo wrote:On April 17 2013 03:35 Requizen wrote:Karma too weak must keep buffing Inner Flame damage increased to 80/125/170/215/260 from 60/110/160/210/260
Inspire cooldown reduced to 10 seconds from 12 + Show Spoiler +No one tell them the truth SHHHHHHH Truth is that she's still weak and that probably won't be enough W is practically unusable and Q still is bleh. E is good sure but that just doesn't cut it when she has no ultimate. Your naivety is kind of adorable I dunno I've yet to see you carry a game with her. Not saying she's bad and this does seem once again like Riot's MO of 'buff the shit out of something that may have been fine to begin with" but I haven't seen any proof of her being good one way or another, just a lot of talk. + Show Spoiler +I feel like I agree that in theory she SHOULD be good.
Agreed. Had a Karma Mid last game that got fed but didn't really do anything. Like less then a fed Zil. She could have just been bad though I suppose.
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Karma's pretty OP in ARAM at the very least.
I think she's pretty strong on SR too, but not as a support.
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Destiny - ADC/Support, Platinum Division I, Teamless
HA! he is demoted to plat as expected.
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On April 17 2013 03:56 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 03:50 Amui wrote:On April 17 2013 02:43 obesechicken13 wrote:On April 17 2013 02:14 koreasilver wrote:On April 17 2013 01:17 obesechicken13 wrote:On April 17 2013 00:30 Alaric wrote:On April 16 2013 23:29 obesechicken13 wrote:
I was seriously tired of wards preventing my ganks or people playing so safe so I bought Rengar. I guess I can go back to jungle Twitch or buy Shaco or Nocturne now. Hecarim is permaban, so Rammoose. Also apart from the "we don't talk about the tribunal here", what does the fact that he is a popular streamer has to do with the fact that you believe he doesn't deserve the ban? ôo Rammus really doesn't circumvent wards well enough. Which suddenly becomes absurd. On April 17 2013 01:08 Requizen wrote:On April 17 2013 01:02 Gahlo wrote:On April 17 2013 00:15 Requizen wrote:On April 17 2013 00:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Rengar top is currently still really strong, I know a guy who does elo jobs and plays only rengar and basically never loses. Care to link info? I'm really curious as to how to make it work. I've seen a lot of people use a CDR based build with things like Kindle, Bruta, and Glacial, which I like, but perhaps I'm not using good Runes/Masteries/Skill orders. This guy is a pretty high Rengar main. He hasn't streamed for a while but he's got a decent amount of recordings up. http://www.twitch.tv/dekar173/videos?kind=past_broadcasts Looked him up on Lolking.... wow that's pretty damn impressive. Research time~ Didn't take much time he literally only has one mastery page LOL He's only gold though. I feel like there are better Rengars. I looked up a random vod and he was in diamond. Yeah, it seems his Dekar174 account is his smurf he uses. Theoretically if you activate Q at max Fury, can you then R, wait 3.75 seconds, jump, Q, Q, W, E, and then immediately Q again for a 7.7 AD ratio burst combo? 3 Empowered Q's. You'd also get 350% attack speed buff if the empowered Q's stack and 150% if they didn't. I know shake made this Rengar vid at one point but I think he was relying more on IE SotD. Rengar's level 1 and level 2 allin with red pot is one of the strongest among all top laner's. I've seen around 5 rengar's, and 4 of them got first blood at either level 1 or level 2. Garen had the strongest allin back when his Q reseted autoattack afterwards =( Too bad people found out about it a year after I started abusing it and ended up nerfing it Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 03:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:On April 17 2013 03:45 Shikyo wrote:On April 17 2013 03:35 Requizen wrote:Karma too weak must keep buffing Inner Flame damage increased to 80/125/170/215/260 from 60/110/160/210/260
Inspire cooldown reduced to 10 seconds from 12 + Show Spoiler +No one tell them the truth SHHHHHHH Truth is that she's still weak and that probably won't be enough W is practically unusable and Q still is bleh. E is good sure but that just doesn't cut it when she has no ultimate. Your naivety is kind of adorable You doing well on a bad champion =/= said champion being good. She's still junk Though I admit she's probably not the worst champion in the game(would be quinn).
Psst. Soniv doesn't carry games on Karma, but conversely I think that makes her a good champion!
I would try Lich Bane on Karma. She has a lot of zone control in teamfights and judging from Soniv's play, wins through repeated wear and tear and short engage + forcing disengages. She's let down by her lack of immediate burst damage though so I think if you start adding 2 lichbane procs to her burst suddenly she's should be scary as fuck. The movespeed should be pretty crucial as well.
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