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Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
April 16 2013 13:29 GMT
#1641
What do you guys consider the three best "all around" champions for top? Having a hard time focusing on just a few since it's so easy to get countered top and be destroyed
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 16 2013 13:30 GMT
#1642
On April 16 2013 22:19 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 22:18 onlywonderboy wrote:
On April 16 2013 17:22 red_ wrote:
On April 16 2013 16:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
On April 16 2013 16:27 Amarok wrote:
On April 16 2013 14:20 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Also, what you guys think of the All-stars picks thus far? I'd rather Patoy be support over X(s)pecial, but other then that, I agree with the NA picks.


I was a bit disappointed Crumbzz ended up so far behind Saint and TOO. I'd have him just above SV (though its close), but if he wasn't 30 odd percent behind them it wouldn't be so jarring.

Patoy and Crumbzz carry one of the best teams in the NA and neither player is on the team.


Odee needs to market their individual players better (read: start marketing them, period).
Crumbz so far behind is just sad. Patoy not winning is a travesty.


Semi-related but I feel like Lautemortis is tragically underrated because of coL being so poor as a team. I dunno that I'd take him above Crumbzz/Saint, but I'd probably slot him as the 3rd best LCS jungler. Every time I watch a coL game he is making plays(or at least, setting up should-be plays that aren't followed up on).

I don't know, he's redeemed himself a bit in the last few weeks but he played like shit the first couples weeks (individual play, not just his team being too heavy).


Still remember those terror amumu bandages.It was like a drunk a spiderman.

Exactly, shit like that makes me think he's probably not the 3rd best Jungler in the LCS lol
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 13:37:43
April 16 2013 13:35 GMT
#1643
On April 16 2013 22:29 Talack wrote:
What do you guys consider the three best "all around" champions for top? Having a hard time focusing on just a few since it's so easy to get countered top and be destroyed

Yorick, Nunu, Garen. Never get countered. They heal too much to have any bad matchups.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 16 2013 13:37 GMT
#1644
On April 16 2013 22:24 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 22:21 AsnSensation wrote:
On April 16 2013 22:12 Requizen wrote:
On April 16 2013 18:24 AsnSensation wrote:
just rewatched the bo5 for the lulz and noticed that Wickd didn't gg a single time he lost, while Soaz always gg'd ~_~

and lol at snoopeh asking Soaz in the postgame raidcall if he got teammate's help. Soaz says no and Snoopeh says:" yeah, we didn't help wickD either"

On April 16 2013 07:41 Chrispy wrote:
Yung Shake defending LoL esports honour in the harsh Twitterworld.

On that same note, so is incontrol. What do you think the chances of him defending Riot and LoL are had EG not picked up a team? Pretty low I bet... but hey, good for him anyway.


Just looked this up, only a few people will get this, but LOL the person shitting on League in that convo is TuElite hahaha

oh my god please link that

I unfollowed him some time ago but he occasionally acts so crazy that it's entertaining.




I always he assumed that he was asian but he's some crazy french canadian, I wonder if he's related with deezer.

Haha oh man, that guy never fails to deliver the pure insanity.

I'm sure any Redditor on here saw this already, but... suffice to say don't trust League players with secrets XD


If they really want to balance him they should just give him mana >_>
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 16 2013 13:37 GMT
#1645
On April 16 2013 22:24 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 22:21 AsnSensation wrote:
On April 16 2013 22:12 Requizen wrote:
On April 16 2013 18:24 AsnSensation wrote:
just rewatched the bo5 for the lulz and noticed that Wickd didn't gg a single time he lost, while Soaz always gg'd ~_~

and lol at snoopeh asking Soaz in the postgame raidcall if he got teammate's help. Soaz says no and Snoopeh says:" yeah, we didn't help wickD either"

On April 16 2013 07:41 Chrispy wrote:
Yung Shake defending LoL esports honour in the harsh Twitterworld.

On that same note, so is incontrol. What do you think the chances of him defending Riot and LoL are had EG not picked up a team? Pretty low I bet... but hey, good for him anyway.


Just looked this up, only a few people will get this, but LOL the person shitting on League in that convo is TuElite hahaha

oh my god please link that

I unfollowed him some time ago but he occasionally acts so crazy that it's entertaining.


https://twitter.com/EGiNcontroL/status/323912129835053057

I always he assumed that he was asian but he's some crazy french canadian, I wonder if he's related with deezer.

Haha oh man, that guy never fails to deliver the pure insanity.

I'm sure any Redditor on here saw this already, but... suffice to say don't trust League players with secrets XD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgUqmz8ca40&feature=youtu.be


except its like hella old news

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=36741045#36741045
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
April 16 2013 13:38 GMT
#1646
They are trying to move thresh Q passive onto E? that doesn't really make that big of a difference imo. just max EW or WE from now on o.o
BW -> League -> CSGO
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 16 2013 13:40 GMT
#1647
On April 16 2013 22:38 wussleeQ wrote:
They are trying to move thresh Q passive onto E? that doesn't really make that big of a difference imo. just max EW or WE from now on o.o


and get less hooks, its a good little nerf and adds some decision making on how much you will be able to auto in lane
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 13:42:06
April 16 2013 13:40 GMT
#1648
On April 16 2013 22:37 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 22:24 Requizen wrote:
On April 16 2013 22:21 AsnSensation wrote:
On April 16 2013 22:12 Requizen wrote:
On April 16 2013 18:24 AsnSensation wrote:
just rewatched the bo5 for the lulz and noticed that Wickd didn't gg a single time he lost, while Soaz always gg'd ~_~

and lol at snoopeh asking Soaz in the postgame raidcall if he got teammate's help. Soaz says no and Snoopeh says:" yeah, we didn't help wickD either"

On April 16 2013 07:41 Chrispy wrote:
Yung Shake defending LoL esports honour in the harsh Twitterworld.

On that same note, so is incontrol. What do you think the chances of him defending Riot and LoL are had EG not picked up a team? Pretty low I bet... but hey, good for him anyway.


Just looked this up, only a few people will get this, but LOL the person shitting on League in that convo is TuElite hahaha

oh my god please link that

I unfollowed him some time ago but he occasionally acts so crazy that it's entertaining.


https://twitter.com/EGiNcontroL/status/323912129835053057

I always he assumed that he was asian but he's some crazy french canadian, I wonder if he's related with deezer.

Haha oh man, that guy never fails to deliver the pure insanity.

I'm sure any Redditor on here saw this already, but... suffice to say don't trust League players with secrets XD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgUqmz8ca40&feature=youtu.be


except its like hella old news

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=36741045#36741045

Half a day is hella old?

Voy just made it sound like they had already finished it, one of those things that the pros get to know and maybe test before the rest of us.

On April 16 2013 22:35 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2013 22:29 Talack wrote:
What do you guys consider the three best "all around" champions for top? Having a hard time focusing on just a few since it's so easy to get countered top and be destroyed

Yorick, Nunu, Garen. Never get countered. They heal too much to have any bad matchups.

No, don't recommend more people to play Yorick. For the love of God, don't tell more people to play that complete asshat of a champion, I couldn't stand it.
It's your boy Guzma!
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 13:42:00
April 16 2013 13:41 GMT
#1649
Edit: double
It's your boy Guzma!
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
April 16 2013 13:44 GMT
#1650
Q max means lower q cd. Means more hooks. Having passive on q gives you 3 incentives to max it: more q damage, more passive damage, and more hooks. Moving the passive to e makes e more important. Really moving his q passive to e makes all his skills really desireable to level (q for more hooks, w for spammable throwable locket, and e for passive + damage)
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 13:59:36
April 16 2013 13:58 GMT
#1651
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 16 2013 14:00 GMT
#1652
Considering the effect you can have with Q just by the sheer threat of it, I'd level it last (E>W>Q) and keep doing my job with fully loaded autos. If they try to retaliate, well, they retaliate on the support, and on standard AD carries (550 range) it gives you an opportunity to walk up and E them. Or else you can just drop the lantern down and run to them, a bit like Blitz turns W on and runs at you, not so much to pop up as to make you run and get into an unsafe spot.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 14:05:55
April 16 2013 14:05 GMT
#1653
Yeah, it creates a real decision on what to max first, second, third. All 3 skills will have a real reason behind them. (Currently, if you're not maxing Q first, you're either silly, or you're very singleminded towards lantern.)
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 16 2013 14:09 GMT
#1654
On April 16 2013 23:05 sylverfyre wrote:
Yeah, it creates a real decision on what to max first, second, third. All 3 skills will have a real reason behind them. (Currently, if you're not maxing Q first, you're either silly, or you're very singleminded towards lantern.)


Or you are from the future like a thresh I saw like a week ago who told me it would be dumb not to max e.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
April 16 2013 14:15 GMT
#1655
I'll probably still max Q in soloq, but level up E instead of W. I've won a lot of lanes by just landing hook after hook. Although if I ever get to the point where people are smarter about dodging the hook E max is probably where it's at.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
April 16 2013 14:20 GMT
#1656
whats with all the remakes.
rengar isnt even that old.


Maybe make the champions properly in the first place, then you dont need to completely change one every month.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 16 2013 14:26 GMT
#1657
While I'm glad they are reworking Rengar, I am not optimistic about it, because his Ferocity mechanic is just stupid. On top of that his brush mechanic makes him super snowbally because you can't even get close to a bush if you are behind a Rengar. Oh, and a private snowball item = worst idea.
Freeeeeeedom
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 14:34:57
April 16 2013 14:29 GMT
#1658
Well with the sudden talk of Rengar, I've been playing Rengar lately and I'm currently trying out maxing all of his skills in the jungle.

In my experience W clears slower than Q because it deals less damage.
E deals a lot of damage if you use the empowered version during a gank because you want the added slow and snare. It clears like shit though.
W is obviously a mix between damage and tankiness. This skill used to be broken doing 255 + 1 damage compared to what it is now, 170 + .8 with a different heal. It was odd that they nerfed Rengar's regen down to half of an ordinary champion's. This is obviously just because they felt he had too much sustain but it's just an odd way of balancing a champion: "Haha even though you are built for jungling, you'll have shitty sustain compared to a Jax with the same items because you have almost no health regen unless you use all your empowered stacks on W".
Also Rengar lost a lot on his bonetooth necklace. At max stacks he can no longer instantly get another empowered stack.

If he's getting reworked hopefully he gets buffed though I'm not sure if it's needed. I was hoping to actually have a champion I could try out without Riot messing with them for a few weeks. :/
I was seriously tired of wards preventing my ganks or people playing so safe so I bought Rengar. I guess I can go back to jungle Twitch or buy Shaco or Nocturne now.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-16 14:39:17
April 16 2013 14:34 GMT
#1659
On April 16 2013 23:20 LaNague wrote:
whats with all the remakes.
rengar isnt even that old.


Maybe make the champions properly in the first place, then you dont need to completely change one every month.

Most of the champions they have reworked are older ones whose kit just hadn't evolved with the times. Rengar needs is getting some sort of rework just because his kit is so hard to balance. Sure you can sit on your high horse and belittle them for not making perfectly balanced champions in the first place, but at least they are making an effort to fix things.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
April 16 2013 14:40 GMT
#1660
A very popular French streamer just got perma banned on LoL :
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/tribunal/en/case/869634/#nogo

Wonder what it'll take from Riot to finally remove the tribunal.
The legend of Darien lives on
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