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SgtSquiglz
Profile Joined December 2010
United States668 Posts
April 20 2013 22:27 GMT
#2481
I love the feeling of zed ulting someone, then walking away knowing they're going to explode in a couple seconds.

Cool guys don't look at explosions after all.
Take anything I say with a grain of salt.....I suck at this game. Also, Go Blue!
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
April 20 2013 22:33 GMT
#2482
quick question, how does one get into challenger league?

From my understanding is that you get a promotion serie at D1, but what happens if there aren't available spot in the league?
Best Teemo World
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
April 20 2013 22:38 GMT
#2483
On April 21 2013 07:21 Serelitz wrote:
Feels like most rewarding ability award should definitely go to Nocturne ult if it summons a free TL writer.

Too bad the discussion got a bit overshadowed by the whole Elementz drama. Whole reason I prefer this to lolreddit is because it's not as unhealthily obsessed over drama


Neo's the cheap imitation.

Everybody knows the real one comes when

OOBBBLLIVIOOOON!!!!!!!!!!
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 20 2013 22:43 GMT
#2484
On April 21 2013 07:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 06:45 Serelitz wrote:
On April 21 2013 06:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On April 21 2013 06:39 Serelitz wrote:
Mundo cleavers are a big one, leona's E/R are pretty big as well.

Big ones that aren't mentioned:
Darius dunks
Blitz/Thresh hooks
J4/kennen/Galio/Malph/Sejuani ults
Lux instagib
Jayce/Nidalee poke.


You missed a big one in the ults category: NOTHING is as baller as a cross-map Enchanted Crystal Arrow (coughcopcough)


Ah you're right. Most globals are pretty rewarding tbh, should be a category of themselves.


DAAAARKNEEESSSSSS

Someone summoned me?
what?

Uh oh, you guys summoned him but gave him no purpose.
Now he's going to have to make use of his powers before returning to the Void....
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RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-20 22:44:53
April 20 2013 22:44 GMT
#2485
On April 20 2013 23:20 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2013 18:52 Shikyo wrote:
MF basically has more DPS than any other ADC in the midgame. Have been there losing 1v1s Vayne vs MF when she has 1 full item less than me etc. Just don't fight her 1v1, Ezreal shouldn't need to anyway.

Graves can 1v1 with her if you really need to.


mf has higher base stats than most ADCs, only kog iirc has similar stats
mf's W also reduces lifesteal, which matters a lot in straight up 1v1 adc duels
trist and varus probably have a good fight against mf, considering they have useful ults for dueling


unrelated: more people need to see this vid. other regions stand no chance against godlife

I can't stop imagining Madlife being Will Ferrel now. So good.
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
April 20 2013 22:47 GMT
#2486
Is it just me, or does Elementz look like Liam Neeson?
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
April 20 2013 22:51 GMT
#2487
On April 21 2013 07:23 Solaris.playgu wrote:
Lasthitting people with Mundo cleavers has got to be my favorite. The animation followed by the sound effect and watching their dead bodies fall to the ground while I run in the other direction just feels sooooo good =)


I think you are right in that. Playing Mundo in ARAM is deceptively fun. Spamming those cleavers and hitting them feels really great. Riot did something right there with the theme and sound.

The other one is Lux's ult. To see how much burst is possible is really great. Same here is that the theme and sound works so well together. Plus, who doesn't like lasers.

Ashe's arrow used to be really bad with the shuriken. Didn't fit the theme at all, and then they changed it to a real frost arrow. It's a tiny bit better, but not fully. I think the sound needs work, and I hope in the future they will refine that arrow to look much better.

Jarven IV's Warrring Kingdom skin is just too good now. Makes his ult feel much much better. I think it's a shame when people don't use that skin with Jarven IV. I don't believe any of his other skins are as good as with the ult as this one is.


On the other hand, I will turn around and speak about the opposite:

If you talk about an ult that's disappointing throughout all of it's incarnations. Malphite's ult is just lackluster in it's sound and overall animations showing. It's supposed to be unstoppable force, but the sound doesn't do it justice. I also feel that it's a shame that they didn't alter knock up or ground animation in some way to fix malphite's sad ult issues(like they did with the Riot symbol on his ground slam). Although I will admit Glacial malphite is really well done. Especially the Q animation it has.
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
April 20 2013 22:58 GMT
#2488
On April 21 2013 06:08 AsmodeusXI wrote:
What do you find to be the most satisfying ability-use situation in LoL?

I was just thinking about it, and there's little that's more satisfying to me than Whimsy-ing an Udyr as he Bears into my team. Similarly, hitting a fleeing Yi with a Zenith Blade is always just the fucking greatest.

Does anyone else know what I'm talking about/have their own example?


I am a sucker for a Morgana bind. I used to just casually ask my 5's team if they wanted me to initiate with #1 Bind NA. I'd land it and go balls deep and usually die because my team always assume I'd miss haha.

Any kill in any way with Soraka or AP Ezreal.
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
April 20 2013 23:03 GMT
#2489
LOL. Why haven't I watched qtpie's stream before? All Blue Items build (OP) and his gf (or w/e) goes "Yeah, for those just tuning in, Dignitas is disbanding and qtpie is subbing for CLG."

BEST TROLLZ
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
SgtSquiglz
Profile Joined December 2010
United States668 Posts
April 20 2013 23:07 GMT
#2490
On April 21 2013 08:03 AsmodeusXI wrote:
LOL. Why haven't I watched qtpie's stream before? All Blue Items build (OP) and his gf (or w/e) goes "Yeah, for those just tuning in, Dignitas is disbanding and qtpie is subbing for CLG."

BEST TROLLZ


Yeah, in the manner of weeks qtpie's managed to build up a huge stream fanbase. Its pretty impressive how quickly he did it. Mainly cause he's so damn hilarious.
Take anything I say with a grain of salt.....I suck at this game. Also, Go Blue!
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
April 20 2013 23:09 GMT
#2491
On April 21 2013 07:27 SgtSquiglz wrote:
I love the feeling of zed ulting someone, then walking away knowing they're going to explode in a couple seconds.

Cool guys don't look at explosions after all.


Then soraka flashes over a wall and heals them and you look like a tard
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
SgtSquiglz
Profile Joined December 2010
United States668 Posts
April 20 2013 23:11 GMT
#2492
On April 21 2013 08:09 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 07:27 SgtSquiglz wrote:
I love the feeling of zed ulting someone, then walking away knowing they're going to explode in a couple seconds.

Cool guys don't look at explosions after all.


Then soraka flashes over a wall and heals them and you look like a tard


Or barrier. Always forget barrier.
Take anything I say with a grain of salt.....I suck at this game. Also, Go Blue!
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
April 20 2013 23:11 GMT
#2493
On April 21 2013 08:09 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 07:27 SgtSquiglz wrote:
I love the feeling of zed ulting someone, then walking away knowing they're going to explode in a couple seconds.

Cool guys don't look at explosions after all.


Then soraka flashes over a wall and heals them and you look like a tard


impossible. nobody plays soraka anymore.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
April 20 2013 23:16 GMT
#2494
On April 21 2013 08:11 greggy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 08:09 sob3k wrote:
On April 21 2013 07:27 SgtSquiglz wrote:
I love the feeling of zed ulting someone, then walking away knowing they're going to explode in a couple seconds.

Cool guys don't look at explosions after all.


Then soraka flashes over a wall and heals them and you look like a tard


impossible. nobody plays soraka anymore.


Also fuck Soraka forever. Worst Support.

+ Show Spoiler +
I AM BIASED.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 20 2013 23:20 GMT
#2495
On April 21 2013 08:16 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 08:11 greggy wrote:
On April 21 2013 08:09 sob3k wrote:
On April 21 2013 07:27 SgtSquiglz wrote:
I love the feeling of zed ulting someone, then walking away knowing they're going to explode in a couple seconds.

Cool guys don't look at explosions after all.


Then soraka flashes over a wall and heals them and you look like a tard


impossible. nobody plays soraka anymore.


Also fuck Soraka forever. Worst Support.

+ Show Spoiler +
I AM BIASED.


Soraka is the only support!
Freeeeeeedom
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 20 2013 23:25 GMT
#2496
Also flash into bush -> ult out to turn around a chase with fiddle
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
OhTwoMise
Profile Joined September 2012
United States164 Posts
April 20 2013 23:41 GMT
#2497
On April 21 2013 06:59 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 06:55 ketchup wrote:
I find it amazing that Elementz has been benched around three times for essentially the same reasons each time. So, I have to ask the question if he'll actually be able to join a team still? Will he create his own team? Will he finally stop playing support because he sincerely does not seem to enjoy the role? Time to wait and see.

he's not good enough to play anything else besides support, where he can get carried by strong solo lanes


I know soloQ is not relevant at all for arranged 5s but 600 s3 ranked games and Plat IV is simply unacceptable for a pro player and he doesn't even play support in soloQ most of the time.


I can't really think of any team setup where I'd want my weakest player on support all the time. If I had to choose, I'd probably try to hide him on AD. I actually find it kind of mind-boggling that so many people share this sentiment. Do you really think supports are low impact? Or that they are somehow easier to play (at a high level) than other roles?

On April 21 2013 01:49 IamPryda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 01:27 Gaslo wrote:
Mmyeah, id say people who claim supports cant carry, are just bad at the role. :I

O I am not saying a good support can't carry hence why thresh is banned so much. But in solo q I fine adc's to be the worst players even at plat on solo q. Maybe it's just bad experience but I feel like a good adc should adjust his play style to the supports not the other way around and in solo q I constantly get adc's who Think Bot is a dictatorship not a duo


Whether or not an AD should adjust to you is irrelevant. Either he's going to or he's not. You can either opt to lose all the games where they don't make the adjustment, or you can make your own adjustment and have a drastically higher winrate. I think I actually commented on this earlier, but I find it really confusing that people who are otherwise willing to examine their own play for flaws just throw that out the window as soon as they're playing support because "it's the AD's fault".

On April 21 2013 03:38 Amui wrote:
On my smurf, support is terrible. I can be 1v2ing the lane, and when I've gotten both support and ADC to 50%, I allin the next time my CD's are up. I die after pinging, blowing flash and exhaust, and my ADC has gotten 3 more CS, with absolutely no followup or indication of knowing that he could have gotten a double kill.

Much better to play stuff like "support" leblanc, help your ADC CS by getting all the ones he'd miss, and also take all the kills.


This seems like an awful attitude if you're solo queueing. If you're going to play with that AD more, sure, go ahead and hash it out with him, but if you're in solo queue, it's really on you to figure out he's not going to follow before you feed a kill. If you've gotten them to 50%, then you can keep chipping away or zone them. You have so many options beyond an all-in that your AD won't follow. Being a good solo queue support is not about making the optimal play in a vacuum; it's about figuring out what your AD is going to do and playing around that.

One of the guys I play with on a regular basis complains about this all the time. He plays in the same games I do, presumably with people of the same MMR I do, but he's actually gotten to the point where he won't play Leona with pubs because "they won't follow up". I haven't had a pub not follow my Leona initiate in months. Does he get more kills in lane than I do? Almost certainly. My lanes in these games only lose by any significant margin when there's heavy spillover from the rest of the map, though.

I actually don't have any problem at all with awkward kill supports except that there will be a midgame timing where they have to choose between item progression and having enough wards, and most of the people that like to play that way will choose to give up map control. Especially now that Sightstone exists.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 20 2013 23:59 GMT
#2498
Honestly I can't believe you are so surprised people would place the least skilled player on supp.If your mid/jungler are good supp doesn't even need to do much honestly.I'd take a better adc over a better supp 99% of the time.Lately a lot of people seem to be talking about supports like they are this best role that only a select few people can play which just isn't true at all.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 21 2013 00:08 GMT
#2499
On April 21 2013 08:59 nafta wrote:
Honestly I can't believe you are so surprised people would place the least skilled player on supp.If your mid/jungler are good supp doesn't even need to do much honestly.I'd take a better adc over a better supp 99% of the time.Lately a lot of people seem to be talking about supports like they are this best role that only a select few people can play which just isn't true at all.

All the roles need skill. Late game I like having my map warded and for my ADC to not die first every fight.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-21 00:11:26
April 21 2013 00:10 GMT
#2500
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 21 2013 08:41 OhTwoMise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 06:59 AsnSensation wrote:
On April 21 2013 06:55 ketchup wrote:
I find it amazing that Elementz has been benched around three times for essentially the same reasons each time. So, I have to ask the question if he'll actually be able to join a team still? Will he create his own team? Will he finally stop playing support because he sincerely does not seem to enjoy the role? Time to wait and see.

he's not good enough to play anything else besides support, where he can get carried by strong solo lanes


I know soloQ is not relevant at all for arranged 5s but 600 s3 ranked games and Plat IV is simply unacceptable for a pro player and he doesn't even play support in soloQ most of the time.


I can't really think of any team setup where I'd want my weakest player on support all the time. If I had to choose, I'd probably try to hide him on AD. I actually find it kind of mind-boggling that so many people share this sentiment. Do you really think supports are low impact? Or that they are somehow easier to play (at a high level) than other roles?

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 01:49 IamPryda wrote:
On April 21 2013 01:27 Gaslo wrote:
Mmyeah, id say people who claim supports cant carry, are just bad at the role. :I

O I am not saying a good support can't carry hence why thresh is banned so much. But in solo q I fine adc's to be the worst players even at plat on solo q. Maybe it's just bad experience but I feel like a good adc should adjust his play style to the supports not the other way around and in solo q I constantly get adc's who Think Bot is a dictatorship not a duo


Whether or not an AD should adjust to you is irrelevant. Either he's going to or he's not. You can either opt to lose all the games where they don't make the adjustment, or you can make your own adjustment and have a drastically higher winrate. I think I actually commented on this earlier, but I find it really confusing that people who are otherwise willing to examine their own play for flaws just throw that out the window as soon as they're playing support because "it's the AD's fault".

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2013 03:38 Amui wrote:
On my smurf, support is terrible. I can be 1v2ing the lane, and when I've gotten both support and ADC to 50%, I allin the next time my CD's are up. I die after pinging, blowing flash and exhaust, and my ADC has gotten 3 more CS, with absolutely no followup or indication of knowing that he could have gotten a double kill.

Much better to play stuff like "support" leblanc, help your ADC CS by getting all the ones he'd miss, and also take all the kills.


This seems like an awful attitude if you're solo queueing. If you're going to play with that AD more, sure, go ahead and hash it out with him, but if you're in solo queue, it's really on you to figure out he's not going to follow before you feed a kill. If you've gotten them to 50%, then you can keep chipping away or zone them. You have so many options beyond an all-in that your AD won't follow. Being a good solo queue support is not about making the optimal play in a vacuum; it's about figuring out what your AD is going to do and playing around that.

One of the guys I play with on a regular basis complains about this all the time. He plays in the same games I do, presumably with people of the same MMR I do, but he's actually gotten to the point where he won't play Leona with pubs because "they won't follow up". I haven't had a pub not follow my Leona initiate in months. Does he get more kills in lane than I do? Almost certainly. My lanes in these games only lose by any significant margin when there's heavy spillover from the rest of the map, though.

I actually don't have any problem at all with awkward kill supports except that there will be a midgame timing where they have to choose between item progression and having enough wards, and most of the people that like to play that way will choose to give up map control. Especially now that Sightstone exists.



I don't think my attitude is wrong. I made a decision that I would make again without hesitation. Both enemies are at 50%, I'm at 100% with double summoners, and my AD is as well, and we have even creeps. It's bad because a level 20 ADC suffers from tunnel vision, not because it was a bad play. It is bad to go for suboptimal plays, because that teaches bad habits.

If I can carry from support(through killing people instead of keeping people alive), then I will do it if it means my chance of success goes up.
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