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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 07 2013 22:26 GMT
#1701
PSA bly loves Wriggle's still.
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 22:28:49
April 07 2013 22:27 GMT
#1702
Wriggles is good. Build it first on Udyr, max turtle and go slapahoe tribe on their mid lane till you get the turret. Its so fun.

Edit: Need LS quints too though
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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
April 07 2013 22:28 GMT
#1703
On April 08 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote:
Razor + stuff > Wriggles.

People always say this but if you want to get life steal anyway and you dont need extra mana wriggles is gud
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 07 2013 22:29 GMT
#1704
On April 08 2013 07:27 Cixah wrote:
Wriggles is good. Build it first on Udyr, max turtle and go slapahoe tribe on their mid lane till you get the turret. Its so fun.


I miss s2 pre wriggles nerf.Top lane was so hilarious.Go wriggles and completely ignore enemy laner.

Isn't it kind of weird to watch hsgg on renek vs voy on malph?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 07 2013 22:40 GMT
#1705
Yeah, the pick surprised me too.
As for lifesteal... when jungling, I find it a bit awkward (Xj9 was playing Nocturne so he had some innate sustain too, was just amusing to see how different from his soloQ games that was, though he still had 170+ cs at 21 minutes, started splitpushing in place of TRM's Nunu as soon as he could 1v1 the enemy Renek); In lane you want to stay as long as possible to cs and you tend to trade more or less so I can get it, but in the jungle as long as you can trade pretty fast you can back much more often without "losing" opportunities, and with resistances (esp. a bit of early armour of champs like Noc, Xin, etc. eg. not Evelynn/Diana/Elise/stuff) you get some mileage out of the big monster's healing anyway.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 22:47:11
April 07 2013 22:40 GMT
#1706
On April 08 2013 07:28 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 07:25 Alaric wrote:
Razor + stuff > Wriggles.

People always say this but if you want to get life steal anyway and you dont need extra mana wriggles is gud

The vast majority of junglers aren't buying enough damage for lifesteal to outperform HP regen as a sustain stat, let alone enough for it to be a combat stat.

There is no "want to get lifesteal anyway". Either you're doing enough right-click damage for lifesteal to be a better sustain stat than HP regen or you're not. If your first two major items are Locket/Bulwark and you're relying solely on your base stat growth for your right click damage, "not" is more likely.

EDIT: On Nocturne in particular, seeing as he has two steroids and actually probably should be buying damage, Lifesteal probably does scale out better than HP regen.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 07 2013 22:50 GMT
#1707
Isn't the main point of wriggle pretty much a gold item now?Faster clear+free ward+some sustain.

Saint wriggle into avarice blade noct when he has a tf on his team.That's what I call greed lol.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 07 2013 22:53 GMT
#1708
yep its a gold item, i've said this since preseason, the ROI is more than worth it in solo queue, and I've pretty much always done it in 5s unless starved. I treat it as a philo stone.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 07 2013 23:12 GMT
#1709
Near the end of season 2 I started feeling like wriggles didn't really win me games. Yes it did give me a ward that sometimes won games but the damage or tankiness on it usually didn't win games. Rather I would have wanted like a 2 second slow or something to make my ganks more successful. Now I'm starting to feel that way again. Also I've been doing 2 dorans in the jungle just for those small skirmishes early in the game and for the sustain.
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SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
April 07 2013 23:12 GMT
#1710
Wriggles is strictly wrong. No one has ever said "If only I had some lifesteal/ad we would have won that game." It's the same reason why people aren't finishing any spirit stone items, you're better off getting different stats with for your gold. Games aren't even lasting the 50+ minutes they used to where gp10 items are useful. Anything being compared to gp10 items is also wrong.
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
April 07 2013 23:13 GMT
#1711
I wasn't watching, so how did the scrim between clg and curse go?
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
April 07 2013 23:16 GMT
#1712
CLG just got early lead and held onto it.Nyjacky couldn't really make much plays on tf so he became useless and voy got his first completed item at like 25+ minutes so he was squishy on malph.Wasn't really close.
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
April 07 2013 23:18 GMT
#1713
Cool cool cool. They are scrimming again, nice!
Best Teemo World
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
April 07 2013 23:19 GMT
#1714
On April 08 2013 08:12 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Wriggles is strictly wrong. No one has ever said "If only I had some lifesteal/ad we would have won that game." It's the same reason why people aren't finishing any spirit stone items, you're better off getting different stats with for your gold. Games aren't even lasting the 50+ minutes they used to where gp10 items are useful. Anything being compared to gp10 items is also wrong.


Spirit stone items are situationally really strong though. Honestly, I dont go Madreds on anyone but like...trundle.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
April 07 2013 23:26 GMT
#1715
On April 08 2013 08:12 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Wriggles is strictly wrong. No one has ever said "If only I had some lifesteal/ad we would have won that game." It's the same reason why people aren't finishing any spirit stone items, you're better off getting different stats with for your gold. Games aren't even lasting the 50+ minutes they used to where gp10 items are useful. Anything being compared to gp10 items is also wrong.

I can think of plenty of times when I thought if this god damn mid lane would ward top side I could actually get some other stuff done / counter. Pretty sure this is the scenario Bly is refrencing.
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GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
April 07 2013 23:28 GMT
#1716
On April 08 2013 08:16 nafta wrote:
CLG just got early lead and held onto it.Nyjacky couldn't really make much plays on tf so he became useless and voy got his first completed item at like 25+ minutes so he was squishy on malph.Wasn't really close.

Jacky also had some pretty unfortunate blue cards, like during that cleanup after the lost dragon fight.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 23:31:09
April 07 2013 23:29 GMT
#1717
I find it so funny how every time in solo q I tell people to start q on cait they tell me I'm trash yet every single good cait player starts q and pushes lane the second he comes lol.Even liftlift says this shit.

Dlift stream is the most funny shit ever.Pretty much 90% of what he says is "Why is cop so bad" XD.
.AK
Profile Joined September 2010
United States561 Posts
April 07 2013 23:30 GMT
#1718
On April 08 2013 08:12 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Wriggles is strictly wrong. No one has ever said "If only I had some lifesteal/ad we would have won that game." It's the same reason why people aren't finishing any spirit stone items, you're better off getting different stats with for your gold. Games aren't even lasting the 50+ minutes they used to where gp10 items are useful. Anything being compared to gp10 items is also wrong.

I'm really bad at this game but I find it hard to believe that league is so imbalanced item wise that multiple items are just flat out wrong. Every item has a different power curve/build up and that item will be better to have then another at one point. That point not come very often or be that much more "worth it" but talking in absolutes for a strategy game is really questionable without a lot of usage (see scouts in SC1). I also don't see why a team couldn't develop a strategy that goes really late game so their gp10 items get to pay off. Sure it might not work really well but I image in the right scenarios it could work.
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qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
April 07 2013 23:30 GMT
#1719
Is it just or is hotshot playing that matchup wrong. Malphite should shit on khazix. All he has to do is to max E and push all day.
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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-07 23:36:20
April 07 2013 23:35 GMT
#1720
On April 08 2013 08:30 qanik wrote:
Is it just or is hotshot playing that matchup wrong. Malphite should shit on khazix. All he has to do is to max E and push all day.

Red pot on Malph is pretty useless + no armor page + buying HP regen with a dShield and a flask...

Ok I'm no pro but this build looks really bad. There is no logic behind it.
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