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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 27 2013 01:34 GMT
#1761
On March 27 2013 10:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 08:38 Alaric wrote:
Viktor can roam super easily, cast E, clear the wave as it arrives, then go away while your opponent has to deal with yours. Plus his W and the range on his E allow him to cut retreat/countergank paths, and to initiate dives from afar easily. You won't be able to duel people if you get followed/caught in the river since you're very ult/poke reliant for solo kills though, but your AoE should be enough to be pretty strong in 2v2.


You can duel fairly well to be honest.

Viktor just isn't as good anymore because he can't abuse people in lane with the advent of the super pot starts. Since he can't capitalize on move speed as much anymore, I just don't feel like he works as well.

Annie feels better is all ways except for the long range poke. Tibbers just out matches Chaos Storm so hard. =/

That said, I want to experiment with different stuff for Viktor. I've tried RoA on him, which I like for the mana and the mid game power (~20 mine), but it makes awkward timings for the augment and his RoA. Idk

Dring start doesn't sound to terrible on him, perhaps chalice or morellomnicon start? I feel with his q, should try and abuse his trading power. And early cdr and mana helps a lot with that
liftlift > tsm
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 27 2013 01:36 GMT
#1762
On March 27 2013 10:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 10:29 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 27 2013 08:38 Alaric wrote:
Viktor can roam super easily, cast E, clear the wave as it arrives, then go away while your opponent has to deal with yours. Plus his W and the range on his E allow him to cut retreat/countergank paths, and to initiate dives from afar easily. You won't be able to duel people if you get followed/caught in the river since you're very ult/poke reliant for solo kills though, but your AoE should be enough to be pretty strong in 2v2.


You can duel fairly well to be honest.

Viktor just isn't as good anymore because he can't abuse people in lane with the advent of the super pot starts. Since he can't capitalize on move speed as much anymore, I just don't feel like he works as well.

Annie feels better is all ways except for the long range poke. Tibbers just out matches Chaos Storm so hard. =/

That said, I want to experiment with different stuff for Viktor. I've tried RoA on him, which I like for the mana and the mid game power (~20 mine), but it makes awkward timings for the augment and his RoA. Idk

Dring start doesn't sound to terrible on him, perhaps chalice or morellomnicon start? I feel with his q, should try and abuse his trading power. And early cdr and mana helps a lot with that


The DRing doesn't really give him enough mp5 to spam Q enough to trade through their sustain. Especially if they're starting >3 potions. It wears you down really fast. Viktor is still good mid game, but it's just so hard to take advantage of his strengths early.

It feels bad, but it's hard to convince myself to play him when I can easily play Annie, have no mana issues, and have on demand stuns. Plus she's fucking adorable.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
March 27 2013 01:36 GMT
#1763
Diamond so ez to get. Why didn't riot just put in and not waste my time!
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 01:43:16
March 27 2013 01:42 GMT
#1764
On March 27 2013 10:36 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Diamond so ez to get. Why didn't riot just put in and not waste my time!


pics of your epeen or it didn't happen. Loci and/or QQ. strong.
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 27 2013 01:53 GMT
#1765
Also, Off topic:

If anyone is a good artist or good at graphic art programs, I'm looking for someone to draw a tattoo for me. PM me if you're interested. <3
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 27 2013 02:54 GMT
#1766
On March 27 2013 08:00 Dark_Chill wrote:
Why don't more people play Nasus? I was just in a game where I was forced to play jungle and someone had already picked Taric, so I tried out Nasus. I started with a dorans shield vs Khazix and he really couldn't do much to get me out of lane. The amount of sustain and early tankiness is ridiculous. Also, with whither, your gank assist is really really good, and getting free tankiness from your ult is awesome. If the enemy had gotten some jungle assistance, I suspect things might have gone a bit differently, but still. Is there a reason Nasus isn't picked more?


Lots of people play nasus.

There are just like 100 champions in this game.
Freeeeeeedom
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
March 27 2013 02:59 GMT
#1767
111, but who's counting.
twitch.tv/cratonz
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
March 27 2013 03:06 GMT
#1768
On March 27 2013 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Also, Off topic:

If anyone is a good artist or good at graphic art programs, I'm looking for someone to draw a tattoo for me. PM me if you're interested. <3


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I tried to capture your essence in a classic yet provocative design. Let me know if you want to take it to the next level.
Stay positive!
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 03:16:21
March 27 2013 03:15 GMT
#1769
On March 27 2013 12:06 remedium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Also, Off topic:

If anyone is a good artist or good at graphic art programs, I'm looking for someone to draw a tattoo for me. PM me if you're interested. <3


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I tried to capture your essence in a classic yet provocative design. Let me know if you want to take it to the next level.

vaguely resembles morello?
assuming that the thing in his hand is a nerf stick
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
March 27 2013 03:29 GMT
#1770
On March 27 2013 12:15 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 12:06 remedium wrote:
On March 27 2013 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Also, Off topic:

If anyone is a good artist or good at graphic art programs, I'm looking for someone to draw a tattoo for me. PM me if you're interested. <3


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I tried to capture your essence in a classic yet provocative design. Let me know if you want to take it to the next level.

vaguely resembles morello?
assuming that the thing in his hand is a nerf stick


uhh, its Viktor...
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
March 27 2013 03:30 GMT
#1771
add a few more thunderballs and it's perfect
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 03:35:48
March 27 2013 03:34 GMT
#1772
he says he's pretty much stopped playing viktor so I modified the design to incorporate some sadness as he goes on his rampage.

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[image loading]
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 03:49:19
March 27 2013 03:48 GMT
#1773
Anyone have any thoughts on my pub-star ashe build?

Start: D-Blade

First back: Avarice blade + boots

Mid: Botrk + Statikk (For that mid-game omph)

End: Inifinity edge + w/e you floats your boat

EDIT: Forgot to mention you need to be leveling farmshot in order to synergize with the yellow numbers.
FADC
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 03:52:00
March 27 2013 03:51 GMT
#1774
some dude was posting about that minus botrk + statikk (just standard items + avarice) a while back. I was like, lol, but I tried it and it actually seemed pretty good sooOOoooo
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 27 2013 04:01 GMT
#1775
Don't you have a bad time for a while? C-ASHE as some nerds call her, always seems to have trading issues.
Freeeeeeedom
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 04:07:31
March 27 2013 04:04 GMT
#1776
On March 27 2013 12:51 UniversalSnip wrote:
some dude was posting about that minus botrk + statikk (just standard items + avarice) a while back. I was like, lol, but I tried it and it actually seemed pretty good sooOOoooo


I usually run flash + barrier.

barrier + botrk means you can win some fights when people come down to interrupt your farm session at bottom.

I try to delay the upgrade into statikk as much as possible, but the mid game lightning crits are too tasty.

farmshot + riceblade mean you farm rice really really fast. Even if you 'lose' a lane. The CS number doesn't show the extra 8 gold you get per cs. (Also works on wards)

EDIT: I

9x AD Red and 2x AD Quints

1x Crit quint (don't ask, probably 8AD+1 crit and 3 ADquints is better, but I'm missing an AD quint)

flat armor yellows and MR blues.

I'd like to think of this build as a way to break a stalemate or secure the lead.

If you are behind this may not be the best build if you don't think you can utilize your riceblade + farmshot combo
FADC
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 04:17:32
March 27 2013 04:16 GMT
#1777
Yeah it works ok, just dont try anything fancy bot.

Very frustrating to spend alot of time farming up and then have some assasin get fed top or mid and your team not understand any peeling concepts and just lose instantly though. If your team does decently though Ashe is a great game closer. I'm just awful at playing AD in lane so I do stuff like that if I can get away with it sometimes.

If you can play AD its better to just play something with some escape if you are playing with rand pubs IMO.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 27 2013 04:19 GMT
#1778
On March 27 2013 12:34 UniversalSnip wrote:
he says he's pretty much stopped playing viktor so I modified the design to incorporate some sadness as he goes on his rampage.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I haven't a good laugh in a while, thanks guiz
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 04:21:31
March 27 2013 04:19 GMT
#1779
On March 27 2013 12:06 remedium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Also, Off topic:

If anyone is a good artist or good at graphic art programs, I'm looking for someone to draw a tattoo for me. PM me if you're interested. <3


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I tried to capture your essence in a classic yet provocative design. Let me know if you want to take it to the next level.


This reminded me of this: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=181716

Seriously, if people ask you what your tattoo is, tell them it's a diagram for the chemical ascaridole. You will be picking up chicks so fast it won't even be funny.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
rwrzr
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1980 Posts
March 27 2013 04:25 GMT
#1780
On March 27 2013 13:16 sob3k wrote:
Yeah it works ok, just dont try anything fancy bot.

Very frustrating to spend alot of time farming up and then have some assasin get fed top or mid and your team not understand any peeling concepts and just lose instantly though. If your team does decently though Ashe is a great game closer. I'm just awful at playing AD in lane so I do stuff like that if I can get away with it sometimes.

If you can play AD its better to just play something with some escape if you are playing with rand pubs IMO.


I agree with you I'm not going to dub Ashe the new OP, but if you have a strong support with a disable (lux, taric, nami) you can force the opponents to play passive and wait for a gank.

I haven't run into a real kill lane yet, but i'll tell you how it goes when I do run into one. Most people at my current rating are not really versed in any bot lane positioning other than 1) Farm or 2) All-In
FADC
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