EPTStill a must have for pure autoattackers? Situational for other champs now? Shouldn't rush it anymore?
Do discuss.
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Still a must have for pure autoattackers? Situational for other champs now? Shouldn't rush it anymore? Do discuss. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
Nerfing EVERYTHING about the item at once >> | ||
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EquilasH
Denmark2142 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23357 Posts
Like it was just a terrible idea it made all champs snowball ridiculously hard because you lifesteal so much if you are behind there's no way to catch up by capitalizing on mistakes because they can just drain tank you. It's like they removed green pot for being too snowbally and then put in something 10x worse. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
pre-mitigation heal was just silly, I don't even know why it was like that in the first place. also, we're all aware the 'proper' abbreviation is botrk but we agreed a few pages back that bork is cooler | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
I'd only buy it if I need the active, for example Irelia vs Nidalee(free kill after BotRK is finished) or if I bought just one aspd item and wanted it to have lifesteal as well. Luckily you can make use of the active quite often so that's not to say it won't be bought alot. They nerfed the effective gold value of the item by 550 gold, nerfed the heal, and nerfed the neutral monster farming. That's very significant, I don't understand people who say it wasn't. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On March 05 2013 23:57 Shikyo wrote: I think they nerfed too many things about BotRK. It lost most of its power. Now it's a situational item. I'd only buy it if I need the active, for example Irelia vs Nidalee(free kill after BotRK is finished) or if I bought just one aspd item and wanted it to have lifesteal as well. Luckily you can make use of the active quite often so that's not to say it won't be bought alot. They nerfed the effective gold value of the item by 550 gold, nerfed the heal, and nerfed the neutral monster farming. That's very significant, I don't understand people who say it wasn't. If so, good. That's what it was supposed to be. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
I still have a hard time being consistent with Nami's bubble, but she feels so mobile now that I'm sure I'll get the hang of the character in general. I'm beginning to really like the healtrading, it feels like you can make janna-like maneuvers and force trades with your W/E, saving the Q for a disengage if they try to go on you. You're also quite fast - 340 MS on a ranged support, with an MS boost! My only complaint is still it doesn't always feel like the challenge-reward of aqua prison is quite right. It feels noticably less rewarding to land than similar abilities, like rupture (and is harder to land, too.) If they don't want to make Aqua prison easier to land... maybe it should be a bit more rewarding? Only 1.25 sec stun is quite short  Maybe just up it to the somewhat standard 1.5s?@BORK - I'm surprised the heal was as strong as it was in the first place. 15% of their max health in true healing? It was easily swinging fights by 600 health. (-200 on them, +400 on you vs a 100 armor, 2.6k health target. That's not even health stacking.) In addition to the movespeed steal. That's immense! Making the heal post-mitigation means it actually has counterplay. Pre-mitigation is retarded, and I'm not even sure how it got past the PBE. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
depending on the match up i'll max either W or E first. E makes setting up the aqua prison really easy which you want if you can be aggressive, whereas i use W if i feel that a more passive lane is better. W does feel really mana-intensive. because aqua prison is so hard to hit, generally i use it as a follow up to a chain stun. it's really hard to engage favorably off of a naked aqua prison, which is why i like using it after E hits in lane because you whittle them down first. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On March 05 2013 23:39 Ketara wrote: So what does everybody think about the hotfixed BotRK? Still a must have for pure autoattackers? Situational for other champs now? Shouldn't rush it anymore? Do discuss. If you're an autoattacker who isn't crit-based (Autoattacking bruisers: Irelia, Jax, etc) then it's definitely a great offensive/sustain item. If you're a carry, it's not 100% obvious anymore. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 06 2013 02:26 ticklishmusic wrote: Played a game with a Quinn top, and our Nid complained that she was bad and the Quinn complained that top was bad. (destroyed Cait/Ali as Thresh/Graves though). Top kept moaning about our Tryn jungle who was kinda meh, I kept quiet even though I was thinking "dammit, shut up, don't be so dependent on jungle ganls and just don't be stupid in your lane". I just basically ignored them, and somehow she was like 4/1, the rest of us were fed and then she and Tryn just alternately splitpushed everywhere. It was kinda ridiculous. This post is really confusing. It somehow seems like a QQ post but everyone in your team was fed so I'm not sure what there is to QQ about. It also is confusing to see which champion you're referring to at times when you use "she". | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On March 06 2013 01:36 sylverfyre wrote: I dunno - I like harassing with W so much that I feel it's good even when you want to be aggressive. I try to mostly use Aqua prison as a disengage (or as a next-step in a chainCC) and the E slow doesn't feel like it's enough to make it reliable. If you're an autoattacker who isn't crit-based (Autoattacking bruisers: Irelia, Jax, etc) then it's definitely a great offensive/sustain item. If you're a carry, it's not 100% obvious anymore. Who else fits into that ETC category right now? | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On March 06 2013 02:26 ticklishmusic wrote: Played a game with a Quinn top, and our Nid complained that she was bad and the Quinn complained that top was bad. (destroyed Cait/Ali as Thresh/Graves though). Top kept moaning about our Tryn jungle who was kinda meh, I kept quiet even though I was thinking "dammit, shut up, don't be so dependent on jungle ganls and just don't be stupid in your lane". I just basically ignored them, and somehow she was like 4/1, the rest of us were fed and then she and Tryn just alternately splitpushed everywhere. It was kinda ridiculous. I fail to see the point :x | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On March 06 2013 02:33 cLutZ wrote: Who else fits into that ETC category right now? Warwick. Always neglected I think ticklish is just saying despite the solo queue attitude present in his game, Quinn top and jungle Tryn were a good part of the same comp and despite the lack of team cohesion they ended up stomping a game. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On March 06 2013 02:33 cLutZ wrote: Who else fits into that ETC category right now? Off the top of my head: Xin, J4, Vi (because we're not tired of seeing those 3 junglers at all), Skarner, Rengar, Olaf, Noct (though he can get crit too), Shaco, Trundle, Udyr... maybe Bruiser Teemo or Top Taric. Edit: of course, the silly thing is that Riot has stated on multiple occasions that they don't necessarily want BotRK to be good for bruisers, as they want it to be an ADC choice. But of course, it's a pretty good one-stop-shop for an offensive item if you like chaining auto-attacks and a ranged slow. | ||
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Mondeezy
United States1938 Posts
On March 06 2013 02:41 Requizen wrote: Off the top of my head: Xin, J4, Vi (because we're not tired of seeing those 3 junglers at all), Skarner, Rengar, Olaf, Noct (though he can get crit too), Shaco, Trundle, Udyr... maybe Bruiser Teemo or Top Taric. Edit: of course, the silly thing is that Riot has stated on multiple occasions that they don't necessarily want BotRK to be good for bruisers, as they want it to be an ADC choice. But of course, it's a pretty good one-stop-shop for an offensive item if you like chaining auto-attacks and a ranged slow. Played with a rengar that picked up botrk yesterday. Straight up demolished everyone lol. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
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