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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 05 2013 01:51 GMT
#921
On March 05 2013 10:51 GARO wrote:
NA LCS matches were going to be played at IPL 6 alongside the main event right?

Not anymore...
So much for guitar's reassurance. lol.
liftlift > tsm
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14113 Posts
March 05 2013 01:52 GMT
#922
On March 05 2013 10:51 GARO wrote:
NA LCS matches were going to be played at IPL 6 alongside the main event right?

Thats what was communicated to everyone yes. Its going to happen at the next MLG with the teams playing their matches at the event and then having 4 other teams from the rest of the world playing on sunday. I think they got gambit as one of those teams for the exhibition tourny at the very least.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 05 2013 01:53 GMT
#923
On March 05 2013 10:51 GARO wrote:
NA LCS matches were going to be played at IPL 6 alongside the main event right?

NA LCS matches are going to be played from Riot LA Studio now. Exhibition NA v EU match will likely be rescheduled to some unknown date in the future. Riot is trying to organise an LCS viewing event and some other fun stuff for those people who have unrefundable plane tickets. More details to come when things are sorted out...
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 01:58:25
March 05 2013 01:53 GMT
#924
Oh, I guess the idiots blaming the LCS for hypothetically taking 'half the league' audience away from IPL are more funnier now.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 01:55:25
March 05 2013 01:54 GMT
#925
I'm just waiting for that regional all-stars match so we can see the Weixiao+Madlife bot lane crush all contenders.

TBH I'd be interested in seeing the two play together under any setting since it feels like the two have very compatible playstyles.
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TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
March 05 2013 01:56 GMT
#926
On March 05 2013 10:51 Simberto wrote:
How is toplane supposed to work?

Apparently you can't play top and start without a ward, that is suicide. However, on champions that don't like flask, i really have no idea what to start with. Do i have to do some retarded allin start with a red pot? Or 9 pots + 2 wards? cloth + ward + 2pot is not enough sustain to survive most lanes. So i am really at a loss here.


I like how for 2 years everyone "knew" tops couldn't afford to start with a ward. Bottle comes out and everyone starts bottle + ward. Bottle gets nerfed to hell but everyone still starts ward.

I remember Dyrus raging liking crazy at a Yorick once for starting boots + ward + pot, calling him a retard because everyone knew you HAD to get those 2 extra potions on top.

Starting cloth is still fine in a lot of lanes.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 05 2013 01:57 GMT
#927
On March 05 2013 10:51 Simberto wrote:
How is toplane supposed to work?

Apparently you can't play top and start without a ward, that is suicide. However, on champions that don't like flask, i really have no idea what to start with. Do i have to do some retarded allin start with a red pot? Or 9 pots + 2 wards? cloth + ward + 2pot is not enough sustain to survive most lanes. So i am really at a loss here.

  • Red Pot - If you think you can kill the other guy
  • Mass HPots - If you don't think you can kill and you want to spam sustain to win trades/not lose trades and farm lots
  • Cloth - Expect trades where the extra armour more important than the extra HPots (pure phys damage lanes), or you're up against 1v2 lane. Generally want to take HP Regen in Def tree.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
March 05 2013 01:58 GMT
#928
I might be a lot lower elo, but I don't see how not starting ward is suicide...

Maybe with aggressive jungler like Lee but I still start my build with insane amount of sustain and still do okay.
We see things they'll never see
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
March 05 2013 01:58 GMT
#929
clakey D and chauster agree that wriggles is a worthwhile investment
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11826 Posts
March 05 2013 02:01 GMT
#930
On March 05 2013 10:58 Tensai176 wrote:
I might be a lot lower elo, but I don't see how not starting ward is suicide...

Maybe with aggressive jungler like Lee but I still start my build with insane amount of sustain and still do okay.


If you have no ward, you can never cross the entrance of the river, or you are dead if he is there. Which usually means you lose lane either to that gank, or to missing 10 cs for nothing.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
March 05 2013 02:04 GMT
#931
I generally start 9pots ward. Recently I tried getting a health bead to build into a warmogs later because I wanted to be tanky, but then I ended up building damage anyways.

I really don't see why I'd ever start anything else. No lanes are instant kills and the wards prevent a lot of ganks.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
March 05 2013 02:04 GMT
#932
On March 05 2013 10:54 TheYango wrote:
I'm just waiting for that regional all-stars match so we can see the Weixiao+Madlife bot lane crush all contenders.

TBH I'd be interested in seeing the two play together under any setting since it feels like the two have very compatible playstyles.

That lane wouldn't even be fair.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 02:17:51
March 05 2013 02:08 GMT
#933
On March 05 2013 10:58 zulu_nation8 wrote:
clakey D and chauster agree that wriggles is a worthwhile investment

I'm still not convinced that it outperforms Razor+Spirit. Someone is going to have to convince me otherwise.

Razor+Spirit - 1400 gold, 2 item slots (with Spirit having multiple strong build paths and so is still reasonably slot-efficient)
25 Armor
14 HP5, 7 MP5
20% bonus damage to jungle monsters
25% chance for 300 damage proc (increased to 360 by the Spirit Stone passive)
10 true damage to jungle monsters

vs.

Wriggles - 1600 gold, 1 item slot
30 Armor
15 Damage
10% Lifesteal
25% chance for 500 damage proc
Sight ward

Razors+Spirit has faster jungling speed on champs that are at least somewhat ability-reliant for jungling speed (a pure autoattacker is just barely faster with Wriggle's until their natural AD growth gets high enough to make Razor+Spirit's % damage increase more than the difference in proc damage), most junglers buy defensive items as their first items, so typically Lifesteal will not outperform HP5 as a sustain stat at that stage of the game. Wriggle's has a tad more armor, and gives damage against champs, but no mana regen, costs 200 more, and doesn't have as much flexibility in how you build up to it. On champs that have zero use for the Spirit Stone mana regen perhaps Wriggle's is better, but quite a few Razors junglers get good use out of the extra mana regen.

EDIT: actually, if you account for the likelihood of Wriggle's procs overkilling small jungle monsters, I think even a pure autoattacker jungles faster with Razor+Spirit (since Razor+Spirit is consistent higher damage and smaller proc that overkills less).
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RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 02:34:57
March 05 2013 02:29 GMT
#934
On March 05 2013 10:51 Simberto wrote:
How is toplane supposed to work?

Apparently you can't play top and start without a ward, that is suicide. However, on champions that don't like flask, i really have no idea what to start with. Do i have to do some retarded allin start with a red pot? Or 9 pots + 2 wards? cloth + ward + 2pot is not enough sustain to survive most lanes. So i am really at a loss here.


My solution to toplane is to play Nasus (Naysoos) top. Start off the game by feeding 4 - 8 kills. After that make sure your team feeds another 15 - 20. After all of this, you sit at your base turtling while making sure to buy a bork, spirit visage, and stack your Q.

Once 55 minutes pass, you are free to move out, proceed to spam Q, and get a penta. Then kill their Towers, Inhib, and Nexus faster than a level 25, 6 item Tiny.

(Yes toplane is my worst role, and got lucky because the other team didn't know how to close out a game.)
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
March 05 2013 02:30 GMT
#935
I feel like the only reason to get Wriggles is if you are in a position that you already like having lifesteal, and you can be somewhat assured that you will pick up a dragon before the 10 minute mark, due to a game plan that enables this.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
March 05 2013 02:35 GMT
#936
On March 05 2013 10:57 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 10:51 Simberto wrote:
How is toplane supposed to work?

Apparently you can't play top and start without a ward, that is suicide. However, on champions that don't like flask, i really have no idea what to start with. Do i have to do some retarded allin start with a red pot? Or 9 pots + 2 wards? cloth + ward + 2pot is not enough sustain to survive most lanes. So i am really at a loss here.

  • Red Pot - If you think you can kill the other guy
  • Mass HPots - If you don't think you can kill and you want to spam sustain to win trades/not lose trades and farm lots
  • Cloth - Expect trades where the extra armour more important than the extra HPots (pure phys damage lanes), or you're up against 1v2 lane. Generally want to take HP Regen in Def tree.

Bead + hp pots is good if you want locket.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-05 02:42:59
March 05 2013 02:42 GMT
#937
I think the lifesteal from wriggles provides at least as much health as health regen from spirit for most junglers and there are definitely autoattack centered junglers. Besides that, wriggles is a finished item and does not take up two slots. It has its uses.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11826 Posts
March 05 2013 02:44 GMT
#938
And what about just buying razors, NOT buying the stone, and building useful items instead? That is my go-to plan on AA-heavy junglers.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
March 05 2013 02:52 GMT
#939
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=35267762#post35267762
Well lookie der, BORK hotfix inc.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
March 05 2013 02:54 GMT
#940
On March 05 2013 10:56 TheLink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 10:51 Simberto wrote:
How is toplane supposed to work?

Apparently you can't play top and start without a ward, that is suicide. However, on champions that don't like flask, i really have no idea what to start with. Do i have to do some retarded allin start with a red pot? Or 9 pots + 2 wards? cloth + ward + 2pot is not enough sustain to survive most lanes. So i am really at a loss here.


I like how for 2 years everyone "knew" tops couldn't afford to start with a ward. Bottle comes out and everyone starts bottle + ward. Bottle gets nerfed to hell but everyone still starts ward.

I remember Dyrus raging liking crazy at a Yorick once for starting boots + ward + pot, calling him a retard because everyone knew you HAD to get those 2 extra potions on top.

Starting cloth is still fine in a lot of lanes.

I think this is being really shortsighted as to exactly why everyone was opening with boots. Base MS was lower before S3 and boots gave more MS. Now if you factor in the fact that every single jungler was able to open with boots in S2, if you didn't open with boots you were in for a pretty rough time in any solo lane. If you opened with boots+ward+pot then the opposing laner could just trade with you heavily and take momentum, and cloth+ward+2pots wasn't really that good either. Like a huge reason as to why laners don't need to take boots as a starting item isn't because flask magically came out. It has a lot more to do with the fact that the ms boost from boots were reduced and junglers generally have to open with machete or else their clearing speed will be too shit.
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