[Patch 3.02: Fake Quinn] General Discussion - Page 53

On February 18 2013 13:39 De4ngus wrote:

super inaccurate. its just based on teir/division and has nothing to do with mmr.

On February 18 2013 14:01 xes wrote:

That's unfortunate that they don't have a better estimate

They had enough information to pretty much emulate true MMR. Use the guys with a ton (150+?) of games in preseason 3 as seeds with a marker for stable elo with maybe k=12 and calculate elo based on match histories. Then as you update k factors and elo, you can use the marked players as an extra check. If someone who's elo is supposed to be 1300 but played 10 games in a row with 1500 player who have marked elo as stable, then you know your system was too restrictive on the k factor compared to riot's MMR engine and can update the player in question followed by updating the emulator itself with the new information

On February 18 2013 14:44 Nos- wrote:
Not sure if you guys read the brief history through chinese dota article up but, the metas that chinese dota went through feel very much mirrored by what league went through or is going through right now.

On February 18 2013 15:10 wei2coolman wrote:

Difference is, meta changes in LoL are influenced by player base reacting to Riot's changes to LoL, as opposed to Dota, which is playerbase figuring shit out for themselves.

On February 18 2013 15:16 cLutZ wrote:


I just read it. I dont recall Lol ever having a lategame meta. We had a couple of teams play lategame comps, and some teams exploited laneswapping before it was understood properly to get fed AD Carries, but nothing like average games being even 40+ mins.

On February 18 2013 15:16 cLutZ wrote:


I just read it. I dont recall Lol ever having a lategame meta. We had a couple of teams play lategame comps, and some teams exploited laneswapping before it was understood properly to get fed AD Carries, but nothing like average games being even 40+ mins.

On February 18 2013 15:32 zodde wrote:


Wasn't CLG.eu's playstyle something that could be compared to a lategame meta? They picked a team that wouldn't ever lose a late game 5v5 team fight if played correctly. They lost early, but just turtled and when it came to team fights, they still won.

I don't think you can compare the game lengths directly between DotA and LoL, it's better to compare relative game lengths. CLG.eu could have games where they were in the lead the whole game, but it still took 40+ minutes to close it out, where the more aggresive teams would end the games in 20-25 minutes.

While they are both mobas, DotA and LoL are still vastly different games, but I still see some similarity to the history of DotA and what we're seen in LoL the past years.


On what wei2coolman wrote, I think that Riot should make fewer changes to the game, just to give the pro scene a chance to develop their own styles. A more static game, in term of game changes/patches, would be good for the e-sport side of LoL. But I guess Riot cares too much about their casual playerbase?

On February 18 2013 15:32 zodde wrote:
On what wei2coolman wrote, I think that Riot should make fewer changes to the game, just to give the pro scene a chance to develop their own styles. A more static game, in term of game changes/patches, would be good for the e-sport side of LoL. But I guess Riot cares too much about their casual playerbase?

On February 18 2013 16:20 wei2coolman wrote:

I disagree about CLG.eu's playstyle being considered lategame meta. Though they always stalled to lategame, they didn't have good lategame strategy. Essentially, they're only lategame power was their teamfighting ability, no actual lategame powertiming/objective control.

On February 18 2013 16:21 TheYango wrote:

Does anyone really believe "the casual playerbase" will quit over a longer patch cycle? It seems like a really weak argument to me.

Hell, you could make the argument that a longer patch cycle would even drive up RP sales as players might be more willing to invest in champs/skins for a popular champ without fear of that champ being nerfed.

On February 18 2013 16:29 Chrispy wrote:
Why are there so many goofballs out there not banning Nidalee 100% of the time?

Seriously.

EHome simply controlled the map and maxed out three heroes before even attempting to go onto LGD's high ground.