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On February 17 2013 23:51 WhiteDog wrote:
So friends wish me luck I'm doing my qualification matches for gold. If I lose, I might come here and start a discussion on why the new ranking system is bad.
It's still elo based, so if your elo is gold worthy, you will be back in the promotion series rather quickly if you lose. I hate how it isn't clear how it works though. I haven't even played my placement matches anyway though.
On February 17 2013 23:36 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 21:31 JonGalt wrote:On February 17 2013 21:23 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On February 17 2013 19:34 JonGalt wrote:
Just watched the Dominion trailer. Really cool!
But 2 top and 3 bot? Come on. EVERYONE knows it is 4 top/mid and 1 bot. Silly Riot with no knowledge of the meta.
Edit: Also, just out of curiosity - is there another website where there is LoL community?
The only ones I can think of are Reddit and Riot forums. Solomid forums to a smaller extent. Actually 2 bot 3 top is a really strong way to take back top lane if you put the correct timing and pressure on it. There's a point in every dominion game where it's highly likely to have 2-3 bot on each side. Yeah, but in the beginning, don't you usually send 3 top, 1 to your closest top tower, and 1 bot? I haven't played in forever, but that's how it always seemed to go. Secret sick strat works every time: send 4-1 in the beginning but the on that caps mid goes bot after the speed shrine, the 3 top stall. Guaranteed to kill botlaner + take bot cap before they get top. Then rotate top when they go PANIC and take that, bot defends cap normally. Start every game with a ~100 point lead. gg.
My secret strat is to pick Kassadin.
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On February 18 2013 01:24 h3r1n6 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 23:51 WhiteDog wrote:
So friends wish me luck I'm doing my qualification matches for gold. If I lose, I might come here and start a discussion on why the new ranking system is bad. It's still elo based, so if your elo is gold worthy, you will be back in the promotion series rather quickly if you lose. I hate how it isn't clear how it works though. I haven't even played my placement matches anyway though. Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 23:36 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 17 2013 21:31 JonGalt wrote:On February 17 2013 21:23 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On February 17 2013 19:34 JonGalt wrote:
Just watched the Dominion trailer. Really cool!
But 2 top and 3 bot? Come on. EVERYONE knows it is 4 top/mid and 1 bot. Silly Riot with no knowledge of the meta.
Edit: Also, just out of curiosity - is there another website where there is LoL community?
The only ones I can think of are Reddit and Riot forums. Solomid forums to a smaller extent. Actually 2 bot 3 top is a really strong way to take back top lane if you put the correct timing and pressure on it. There's a point in every dominion game where it's highly likely to have 2-3 bot on each side. Yeah, but in the beginning, don't you usually send 3 top, 1 to your closest top tower, and 1 bot? I haven't played in forever, but that's how it always seemed to go. Secret sick strat works every time: send 4-1 in the beginning but the on that caps mid goes bot after the speed shrine, the 3 top stall. Guaranteed to kill botlaner + take bot cap before they get top. Then rotate top when they go PANIC and take that, bot defends cap normally. Start every game with a ~100 point lead. gg. My secret strat is to pick Kassadin.
You thought I needed a class on the new league system ? Don't you see I was joking ? :/
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Since Hurricane bolts allow you to hit people standing in an AoE around the primary target, Hurricane also lets you hit people out of normal AA range/attack creep to get bounces, no? It's not a lot or often, but it's a minor advantage for Runaan's that's hard to math out.
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thanks for the responses, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this always home guard never not home guard trend is head scratching.
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On February 18 2013 01:43 Slusher wrote:
thanks for the responses, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this always home guard never not home guard trend is head scratching.
Currently my personal meta is "fuck boots2 and above unless I'm jungling", so homeguard or not is something i start thinking about once I have 4 items done. By then the decision is "are we winning" If no then homeguard, if yes then I don't care about boots 3 :p
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lvl9 ad/pen mark math is up in the Riven thread, need opinions for combo order due to BC.
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On February 18 2013 01:26 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:24 h3r1n6 wrote:On February 17 2013 23:51 WhiteDog wrote:
So friends wish me luck I'm doing my qualification matches for gold. If I lose, I might come here and start a discussion on why the new ranking system is bad. It's still elo based, so if your elo is gold worthy, you will be back in the promotion series rather quickly if you lose. I hate how it isn't clear how it works though. I haven't even played my placement matches anyway though. On February 17 2013 23:36 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 17 2013 21:31 JonGalt wrote:On February 17 2013 21:23 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On February 17 2013 19:34 JonGalt wrote:
Just watched the Dominion trailer. Really cool!
But 2 top and 3 bot? Come on. EVERYONE knows it is 4 top/mid and 1 bot. Silly Riot with no knowledge of the meta.
Edit: Also, just out of curiosity - is there another website where there is LoL community?
The only ones I can think of are Reddit and Riot forums. Solomid forums to a smaller extent. Actually 2 bot 3 top is a really strong way to take back top lane if you put the correct timing and pressure on it. There's a point in every dominion game where it's highly likely to have 2-3 bot on each side. Yeah, but in the beginning, don't you usually send 3 top, 1 to your closest top tower, and 1 bot? I haven't played in forever, but that's how it always seemed to go. Secret sick strat works every time: send 4-1 in the beginning but the on that caps mid goes bot after the speed shrine, the 3 top stall. Guaranteed to kill botlaner + take bot cap before they get top. Then rotate top when they go PANIC and take that, bot defends cap normally. Start every game with a ~100 point lead. gg. My secret strat is to pick Kassadin. You thought I needed a class on the new league system ? Don't you see I was joking ? :/
I recently started reading everything on the internet as genuine.
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On February 18 2013 01:53 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:43 Slusher wrote:
thanks for the responses, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this always home guard never not home guard trend is head scratching. Currently my personal meta is "fuck boots2 and above unless I'm jungling", so homeguard or not is something i start thinking about once I have 4 items done. By then the decision is "are we winning" If no then homeguard, if yes then I don't care about boots 3 :p
That's fine in theory until the entire enemy team has tier 2 boots and they can all outrun you in a chase :p. I agree boots two aren't as important early, but they are probably still worth getting before four items into a build.
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If you Ohmwrecker the Nexus turrets it hits both of them.
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On February 18 2013 02:22 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:53 Tula wrote:On February 18 2013 01:43 Slusher wrote:
thanks for the responses, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this always home guard never not home guard trend is head scratching. Currently my personal meta is "fuck boots2 and above unless I'm jungling", so homeguard or not is something i start thinking about once I have 4 items done. By then the decision is "are we winning" If no then homeguard, if yes then I don't care about boots 3 :p That's fine in theory until the entire enemy team has tier 2 boots and they can all outrun you in a chase :p. I agree boots two aren't as important early, but they are probably still worth getting before four items into a build.
eh depends on what boots your champion would want/ what boots the situation would call for, mercs, tabi and Sorcs still all provide a really strong amount of what you want for extremely cheap (or in mercs case tenacity for 1500g less than the next tenacity item)
boots are really good bros, just try not to sit on boots1 for very long that might be whats making you salty.
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On February 18 2013 02:39 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 02:22 onlywonderboy wrote:On February 18 2013 01:53 Tula wrote:On February 18 2013 01:43 Slusher wrote:
thanks for the responses, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this always home guard never not home guard trend is head scratching. Currently my personal meta is "fuck boots2 and above unless I'm jungling", so homeguard or not is something i start thinking about once I have 4 items done. By then the decision is "are we winning" If no then homeguard, if yes then I don't care about boots 3 :p That's fine in theory until the entire enemy team has tier 2 boots and they can all outrun you in a chase :p. I agree boots two aren't as important early, but they are probably still worth getting before four items into a build. eh depends on what boots your champion would want/ what boots the situation would call for, mercs, tabi and Sorcs still all provide a really strong amount of what you want for extremely cheap (or in mercs case tenacity for 1500g less than the next tenacity item) boots are really good bros, just try not to sit on boots1 for very long that might be whats making you salty.
I agree 100%, I usually go boots 2 after my first major item. What I meant by they are not as important early is I don't like to start boots anymore.
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On February 18 2013 01:24 h3r1n6 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 23:51 WhiteDog wrote:
So friends wish me luck I'm doing my qualification matches for gold. If I lose, I might come here and start a discussion on why the new ranking system is bad. It's still elo based, so if your elo is gold worthy, you will be back in the promotion series rather quickly if you lose. I hate how it isn't clear how it works though. I haven't even played my placement matches anyway though. Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 23:36 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 17 2013 21:31 JonGalt wrote:On February 17 2013 21:23 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On February 17 2013 19:34 JonGalt wrote:
Just watched the Dominion trailer. Really cool!
But 2 top and 3 bot? Come on. EVERYONE knows it is 4 top/mid and 1 bot. Silly Riot with no knowledge of the meta.
Edit: Also, just out of curiosity - is there another website where there is LoL community?
The only ones I can think of are Reddit and Riot forums. Solomid forums to a smaller extent. Actually 2 bot 3 top is a really strong way to take back top lane if you put the correct timing and pressure on it. There's a point in every dominion game where it's highly likely to have 2-3 bot on each side. Yeah, but in the beginning, don't you usually send 3 top, 1 to your closest top tower, and 1 bot? I haven't played in forever, but that's how it always seemed to go. Secret sick strat works every time: send 4-1 in the beginning but the on that caps mid goes bot after the speed shrine, the 3 top stall. Guaranteed to kill botlaner + take bot cap before they get top. Then rotate top when they go PANIC and take that, bot defends cap normally. Start every game with a ~100 point lead. gg. My secret strat is to pick Kassadin.
My secret strat is to pick Sona.
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I kind of hope Riot adds some more "utility" items like the ones they added for Support in S3. I'd love to see a Sheepstick or something implemented into this game. It just feels like item diversification is pretty much limited to health or damage, there aren't too many items that give viable stats for top laners that have some sort of utility to them as well.
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On February 18 2013 03:47 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 01:24 h3r1n6 wrote:On February 17 2013 23:51 WhiteDog wrote:
So friends wish me luck I'm doing my qualification matches for gold. If I lose, I might come here and start a discussion on why the new ranking system is bad. It's still elo based, so if your elo is gold worthy, you will be back in the promotion series rather quickly if you lose. I hate how it isn't clear how it works though. I haven't even played my placement matches anyway though. On February 17 2013 23:36 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 17 2013 21:31 JonGalt wrote:On February 17 2013 21:23 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:On February 17 2013 19:34 JonGalt wrote:
Just watched the Dominion trailer. Really cool!
But 2 top and 3 bot? Come on. EVERYONE knows it is 4 top/mid and 1 bot. Silly Riot with no knowledge of the meta.
Edit: Also, just out of curiosity - is there another website where there is LoL community?
The only ones I can think of are Reddit and Riot forums. Solomid forums to a smaller extent. Actually 2 bot 3 top is a really strong way to take back top lane if you put the correct timing and pressure on it. There's a point in every dominion game where it's highly likely to have 2-3 bot on each side. Yeah, but in the beginning, don't you usually send 3 top, 1 to your closest top tower, and 1 bot? I haven't played in forever, but that's how it always seemed to go. Secret sick strat works every time: send 4-1 in the beginning but the on that caps mid goes bot after the speed shrine, the 3 top stall. Guaranteed to kill botlaner + take bot cap before they get top. Then rotate top when they go PANIC and take that, bot defends cap normally. Start every game with a ~100 point lead. gg. My secret strat is to pick Kassadin. My secret strat is to pick Sona.
wow my secret strat is to play janna. supports are op in coop vs ai dommie.
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I need an advice.
I play support, and am wondering how to consistently help the team win. When there was no league system, I was oscilating between silver and gold, but I feel like the people lack some common sense and even if winning throw the game in the end because they get overconfident and fight 4v5, etc.. Anyway. This is not the point. The question is, what is a good support to play at this relatively low elo, that will allow me to consistently carry my team even if they suck (I kinda expect the answer is go play jungler/mid).
Normally, I play whatever seems the most reasonable choice depending on enemy pick, or I pick taric/leona on blue side for double golems + lvl 2 kill, then try to snowball from there. But it seems to me that even if we manage to win the bot lane, it's not necessarily leading to win of the whole game. And even if we win bot lane more than lose, I lose games more than win.. So I was wondering, if going some non-optimal support, which is however good at being agressive and really annoying and even has potential of carrying, because people at this league just suck playing against them, would be a good idea. Supports such as lux or nidalee (people just love 'em javelins). Or generally, maybe playing those 'poke' supports more would work, such as Sona/Zyra/Lulu. As often even if I initiate the fight well with melee support, our team is too scared or too far away they just don't do anything or can't use the situation. With poke champ I could just poke until enemy is low enough. Hm..
Ideas?
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On February 18 2013 04:33 freestalker wrote:
I need an advice.
I play support, and am wondering how to consistently help the team win. When there was no league system, I was oscilating between silver and gold, but I feel like the people lack some common sense and even if winning throw the game in the end because they get overconfident and fight 4v5, etc.. Anyway. This is not the point. The question is, what is a good support to play at this relatively low elo, that will allow me to consistently carry my team even if they suck (I kinda expect the answer is go play jungler/mid).
Normally, I play whatever seems the most reasonable choice depending on enemy pick, or I pick taric/leona on blue side for double golems + lvl 2 kill, then try to snowball from there. But it seems to me that even if we manage to win the bot lane, it's not necessarily leading to win of the whole game. And even if we win bot lane more than lose, I lose games more than win.. So I was wondering, if going some non-optimal support, which is however good at being agressive and really annoying and even has potential of carrying, because people at this league just suck playing against them, would be a good idea. Supports such as lux or nidalee (people just love 'em javelins). Or generally, maybe playing those 'poke' supports more would work, such as Sona/Zyra/Lulu. As often even if I initiate the fight well with melee support, our team is too scared or too far away they just don't do anything or can't use the situation. With poke champ I could just poke until enemy is low enough. Hm..
Ideas?
You can try playing J4 or Lux.
J4 offers pretty good damage, tankiness, a small atkspd boost, knock up and a pretty nice AOE ult. Lux does great damage, shield, snare and poke. If you play them well, you end up as a secondary bruiser/tank or AP carry for the team.
Ultimately you're still reliant on followup from your AD, but that's the best I can think of.
I've also started to believe if your AD is looking like he's terribad, feel free to take his CS and be a badass with these two guys.
I don't know how effective it would be, but you could also try Rammus support. I started playing him in the jungle and he seems pretty good. All you have to do really is stack armor and WE
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On February 18 2013 04:33 freestalker wrote:
I need an advice.
I play support, and am wondering how to consistently help the team win. When there was no league system, I was oscilating between silver and gold, but I feel like the people lack some common sense and even if winning throw the game in the end because they get overconfident and fight 4v5, etc.. Anyway. This is not the point. The question is, what is a good support to play at this relatively low elo, that will allow me to consistently carry my team even if they suck (I kinda expect the answer is go play jungler/mid).
Normally, I play whatever seems the most reasonable choice depending on enemy pick, or I pick taric/leona on blue side for double golems + lvl 2 kill, then try to snowball from there. But it seems to me that even if we manage to win the bot lane, it's not necessarily leading to win of the whole game. And even if we win bot lane more than lose, I lose games more than win.. So I was wondering, if going some non-optimal support, which is however good at being agressive and really annoying and even has potential of carrying, because people at this league just suck playing against them, would be a good idea. Supports such as lux or nidalee (people just love 'em javelins). Or generally, maybe playing those 'poke' supports more would work, such as Sona/Zyra/Lulu. As often even if I initiate the fight well with melee support, our team is too scared or too far away they just don't do anything or can't use the situation. With poke champ I could just poke until enemy is low enough. Hm..
Ideas?
lulu's a super strong support imo. She is very good at minimizing mistakes of teammates and capitalizing on mis-positioning of enemies. Tbh, I'd rate lulu as among the best in terms of game impact.
edit: if you want to direct your team, then leona is probably a stronger option, because her initiation makes it painfully obvious to the rest of your team when and where to teamfight. As long as you have a good sense of telling what fights you can win, and which you can't, then leona is very good at carrying.
I'd also say thresh is a very potent support as well.
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On February 18 2013 04:33 freestalker wrote:
I need an advice.
I play support, and am wondering how to consistently help the team win. When there was no league system, I was oscilating between silver and gold, but I feel like the people lack some common sense and even if winning throw the game in the end because they get overconfident and fight 4v5, etc.. Anyway. This is not the point. The question is, what is a good support to play at this relatively low elo, that will allow me to consistently carry my team even if they suck (I kinda expect the answer is go play jungler/mid).
Normally, I play whatever seems the most reasonable choice depending on enemy pick, or I pick taric/leona on blue side for double golems + lvl 2 kill, then try to snowball from there. But it seems to me that even if we manage to win the bot lane, it's not necessarily leading to win of the whole game. And even if we win bot lane more than lose, I lose games more than win.. So I was wondering, if going some non-optimal support, which is however good at being agressive and really annoying and even has potential of carrying, because people at this league just suck playing against them, would be a good idea. Supports such as lux or nidalee (people just love 'em javelins). Or generally, maybe playing those 'poke' supports more would work, such as Sona/Zyra/Lulu. As often even if I initiate the fight well with melee support, our team is too scared or too far away they just don't do anything or can't use the situation. With poke champ I could just poke until enemy is low enough. Hm..
Ideas?
it doesnt matter what support you play, do your best to adapt to your AD's playstyle. Try to be map aware because you don't have to focus on csing like everyone else leaving you free to watch the minimap and expect enemy movement and ganks, use a lot of pings for that. The best counter to 4 man ganks is just runnig away when they come and your team isn't prepared. Make calls mid/late game to keep the team focused.
the more you focus on "carrying" your team the more you'll lose, you have to accept that you need your team just as much as any game
you sohuldn't see yourself different from any other member though. A support is basically just an underfarmed tank. Don't always just rush aegis and shurelyas if your champ doesn't function that well. Sona often wants max cdr and chalice for example. Most supports I find want 40% cdr for maximal effectiveness but someone like leona who can initiate for a team might just want hp or aegis to help out the team while being really tanky and hard to kill, you focus on cdr once you're unkillable.
I Have 65%-70% support winrate (not even my main rofls) and I also didn't lose a game on support when I boosted my friend 10 wins at around 1500 elo or whatever. (if I had a choice between ad and support I picked suppor because I'm better at it. I lost my very first game on that account because I tried to treat the game differently just because they were lower elo and I ended up losing, won 10 straight games after that)
the biggest difference between elos was that people didn't know how to close out games at lower elo it was much more likely for throws to happen. Even when pushing mid would end the game at 20 often games went to 40 minutes because people did dumb shit, making calls is hte best solution for this and don't get frustrated with team members.
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Oh my! Thanks for pointing that out. I just got enough IP to get Thresh. Some fun inc.
Thanks for the tips. As you speak about it, it seems that playing a support that makes the game safer is a better idea in soloq. I might try focusing on lulu/zyra (I really like how zyra can stop enemy offensive) and will get thresh to see how that works out. With Leona I am a bit afraid of getting into a situation where we mess something up and then can't afford to engage. When I play with my friend in duo q, I know I can rely on him and we make the plays, but it happened to me a few times I felt completely useless because we got behind and I couldn't do much, just make lane presence so they can't jump on my carry. With others you can at least heal/shield/stuff. Otherwise she's great.
edit - as to the previous post, I usually get items depending on the game and current cash. Often I go for philo, sightstone, boots1 (order dependent on current money and type of support), then often locket (or aegis if too much aoe in enemy team), then it depends on how things go. Sometime twin shadows, sometime mikaels, sometime shurelyas. Same with boots.
I am not trying to carry per se. I'm trying to find a support that can consistently help in solo q, no matter how badly your team plays. (but I also like to think I carry my adc ^_^ so then he can carry us.)
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yeah, that's what I am feeling a lot. We're winning, and then they make a few bad mistakes, saying "we can't lose" and then we get aced and lose.
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