EPT[Patch 3.02: Fake Quinn] General Discussion - Page 119
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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dae
Canada1600 Posts
On February 23 2013 11:20 Flakes wrote: That's because the inherent stats/abilities of heroes in dota are min-maxed, while the items (as yango pointed out) are more well-rounded. In LoL it's the opposite -- champions often have a mix of utility and damage, while your item build pretty much seals your role e.g. AD kennen/teemo can be carries in LoL if they build for it, even though they have no AD steroids. This would be a lot harder in dota because of the way heroes scale with stats AD Kennens W is a steroid, albeit a weakish one. Also both ad kennen and teemo have redic base AS, meaning all AS items on them give more. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On February 23 2013 14:30 dae wrote: AD Kennens W is a steroid, albeit a weakish one. Also both ad kennen and teemo have redic base AS, meaning all AS items on them give more. They also got ridiculous AS growth. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
take manta style. in LoL terms it gives you health, health regen, mana regen, mana, AS, AD, MS, armor, illusions + a partial cleanse or projectile dodger. i guess there's trinity force but manta style has way more utility. now with that said, when most of your items like that, it's nearly impossible to build glass cannon because a lot of your good items are all like that. with lol it's like... ok, IE/PD, there's next to no survivability on those items. even on other items like MKB there's some utility with the minibash. there's also the existence of farming items (bfury, hotd, radiance) that you can get. so even if you do decide to start daedalus/buriza as first item, there's the possibility you will get it later than a carry with a farming item. sure would be funny if we just renamed AD carry to glass cannon. "hi i play glass cannon for team solo logic." i don't think that we'll ever see glass cannon melee, but even then, we've all seen irelias, jaxes, rivens that literally carry the game. i don't know what i'm trying to say. maybe to say that lol's terminology sucks, haha. | ||
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On February 23 2013 16:49 TheYango wrote: It's a bit misleading to list the HP and mana regen as selling points on Manta when they're 0.3/sec and 0.4/sec respectively. lol why is it even on the item then? | ||
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Theoren
Canada810 Posts
On February 23 2013 16:50 onlywonderboy wrote: lol why is it even on the item then? Because they just happen to be secondary bonuses to the main stats you get on the item (str, int). It doesn't actually say it provides hp and mana regen on the item. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On February 23 2013 11:37 wei2coolman wrote: cuz passive scaling in dota is a bit bonkers. As an example, when A-M maxed his E, it's equivalent for him to having +100MR, in a game where you can't itemize MPen. And his Q is basically a +40AD permanent steroid coupled with a mana burn. Which becomes +120 with a Manta thanks to the illusions. Without any items, he already has big tankiness + damage + mobility. | ||
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laLAlA[uC]
Canada963 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On February 23 2013 15:32 kainzero wrote: when i think about items in dota, they're so good. take manta style. in LoL terms it gives you health, health regen, mana regen, mana, AS, AD, MS, armor, illusions + a partial cleanse or projectile dodger. i guess there's trinity force but manta style has way more utility. now with that said, when most of your items like that, it's nearly impossible to build glass cannon because a lot of your good items are all like that. with lol it's like... ok, IE/PD, there's next to no survivability on those items. even on other items like MKB there's some utility with the minibash. there's also the existence of farming items (bfury, hotd, radiance) that you can get. so even if you do decide to start daedalus/buriza as first item, there's the possibility you will get it later than a carry with a farming item. sure would be funny if we just renamed AD carry to glass cannon. "hi i play glass cannon for team solo logic." i don't think that we'll ever see glass cannon melee, but even then, we've all seen irelias, jaxes, rivens that literally carry the game. i don't know what i'm trying to say. maybe to say that lol's terminology sucks, haha. if we define melee carries are bruisers who do a lot of sustained damage we've seen tons of top lanes who carry teams after becoming juggernaught mode. ad carries arent even that glass cannon any more, add in auras like tarics and jarvans and runes and dblades and warmogs and suddenly a fed ad carry is only slightly less tanky than a less farmed jungle/top i dont think LoL's terminology sucks, I think people are just looking at it wrong. In solo queue I always see people appreciate fed bruisers and assassins as far more important then the ad to focus sometimes and I never see anyone building people full squishy because "they're melee carry". Sometimes people do it but its never with that kind of justification. People usually dont go full damage though because I usually backfires nowdays and people pick up on that fast. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 23 2013 15:26 Ghost-z wrote: According to the wiki Atma's is cost efficient at 1083 HP. Which is fairly early in the game. And it was originally designed for ad carries in mind but was nerfed due to it being too good on bruisers. If they changed it to a flat 30 AD instead of % health it would be a great item but even still its good on anyone who uses crit. cost efficient =! slot efficient. Also, you need to find bruisers than could use crit effectively. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9167 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On February 23 2013 19:05 Dan HH wrote: Because I know this forum is full of Royal Club fanboys, I give you Royal vs DBK in the Chinese IPL6 qualifier starting any minute now: http://www.fengyunzhibo.com/group/12475-4s72428n.htm By "full of" you mean just me. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9167 Posts
I'm guilty of often skimming through the general discussion without looking at the names. Maybe you love them so much you gave me the impression of many. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
EDIT: Commentator says its their main team. Looks like they changed their mind about the role swap. | ||
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