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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
February 12 2013 22:12 GMT
#3501
On February 13 2013 06:49 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 06:43 Yagami wrote:
It's just me or is playing ad carry really frustrating right now?

Feels like every game i'm giving a nice auto attack massage to a front line of immortal bruisers before they catch me and two shot me.

But i can pick Kayle mid with no practice at all and go legendary or pick Olaf and become an unkillable split push machine with little skill involved.


ADC have seemed to be much more binary recently, at least in my experience.

They either kill everything or nothing, with absolutely no middle ground. Either they get 6 items and shred or they have 3 and get rolled.

And that's just against the non-maxed bruisers. 2-3 items seems to be enough to prevent being killed by all but the strongest ADC.

i've been doing really well with cait this season. Bruisers haven't been a problem for me, the only real problem has been akali >_>
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 22:17:29
February 12 2013 22:17 GMT
#3502
I'm on da front page of Reddit again. Except this time it's not quite as cool.
Retvrn to Forvms
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
February 12 2013 22:21 GMT
#3503
Is it sad that I just looked at reddit and IMMEDIATELY knew which clip was gonna be you?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
February 12 2013 22:23 GMT
#3504
Hey man, that's not nice. It could have been BIG PLAYS ON SUPPORT.
Retvrn to Forvms
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 22:24:37
February 12 2013 22:24 GMT
#3505
On February 13 2013 07:23 Chrispy wrote:
Hey man, that's not nice. It could have been BIG PLAYS ON SUPPORT.

No, no it couldnt. Sorry bro.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
February 12 2013 22:28 GMT
#3506
On February 13 2013 07:12 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 06:49 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 13 2013 06:43 Yagami wrote:
It's just me or is playing ad carry really frustrating right now?

Feels like every game i'm giving a nice auto attack massage to a front line of immortal bruisers before they catch me and two shot me.

But i can pick Kayle mid with no practice at all and go legendary or pick Olaf and become an unkillable split push machine with little skill involved.


ADC have seemed to be much more binary recently, at least in my experience.

They either kill everything or nothing, with absolutely no middle ground. Either they get 6 items and shred or they have 3 and get rolled.

And that's just against the non-maxed bruisers. 2-3 items seems to be enough to prevent being killed by all but the strongest ADC.

i've been doing really well with cait this season. Bruisers haven't been a problem for me, the only real problem has been akali >_>


Let's make Zonya's but for ad carries.. bam problem solved.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22677 Posts
February 12 2013 22:29 GMT
#3507
On February 13 2013 07:12 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 06:49 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 13 2013 06:43 Yagami wrote:
It's just me or is playing ad carry really frustrating right now?

Feels like every game i'm giving a nice auto attack massage to a front line of immortal bruisers before they catch me and two shot me.

But i can pick Kayle mid with no practice at all and go legendary or pick Olaf and become an unkillable split push machine with little skill involved.


ADC have seemed to be much more binary recently, at least in my experience.

They either kill everything or nothing, with absolutely no middle ground. Either they get 6 items and shred or they have 3 and get rolled.

And that's just against the non-maxed bruisers. 2-3 items seems to be enough to prevent being killed by all but the strongest ADC.

i've been doing really well with cait this season. Bruisers haven't been a problem for me, the only real problem has been akali >_>


Ive had pretty good succes with Varus aswell. opening Dorans>BotrK>PD>BT. by getting the fast BotrK your doing % dmg soon enough to have it by the time bruisers start getting there Warmogs.

Problem is indeed assassins diving you past pretty much anything.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Phunkapotamus
Profile Joined April 2010
United States496 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 22:38:29
February 12 2013 22:32 GMT
#3508
On February 13 2013 07:12 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 06:49 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 13 2013 06:43 Yagami wrote:
It's just me or is playing ad carry really frustrating right now?

Feels like every game i'm giving a nice auto attack massage to a front line of immortal bruisers before they catch me and two shot me.

But i can pick Kayle mid with no practice at all and go legendary or pick Olaf and become an unkillable split push machine with little skill involved.


ADC have seemed to be much more binary recently, at least in my experience.

They either kill everything or nothing, with absolutely no middle ground. Either they get 6 items and shred or they have 3 and get rolled.

And that's just against the non-maxed bruisers. 2-3 items seems to be enough to prevent being killed by all but the strongest ADC.

i've been doing really well with cait this season. Bruisers haven't been a problem for me, the only real problem has been akali >_>


Mid Season 2 I believe Chaox's Ezreal worked under the assumption that every time you B, you buy a damage item. He'd piecemeal his Ez incrementally and always returned to lane with +10 more damage than he had before. Perhaps that's the meta we should shoot for?

BFSword/Brut/Pickaxe when appropriate for your gold after a B, 1-3 Doran's for remainder golds.

Rushing IE/Thirster has a less reliable power curve and prone to power spikes. Unless these power spikes are abused, you're below the power curve until late game. You're certainly below the curve until the big items are completed. Since Tanky DPS items have a mid-game efficiency curve, it explains the binary win/lose situation of ADC as of late:

Either you get your big item FAST, spike greatly, abuse, and win
Or
You get your big item OK, spike a bit, end up even-to-behind mid-game. Your efficiency is dependent on how efficient the enemy bruisers have been.
Or
You get your big item late, and end up failing as you're behind the power curve to do enough damage.
"Do a barrel roll"
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
February 12 2013 22:38 GMT
#3509
On February 13 2013 07:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 07:23 Chrispy wrote:
Hey man, that's not nice. It could have been BIG PLAYS ON SUPPORT.

No, no it couldnt. Sorry bro.


Two_Down also thinks that it couldn't have been SMART PEOPLE. I wonder what he thinks of your intelligence.....
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 12 2013 22:42 GMT
#3510
Has anybody considered Spirit of the Spectral Wraiths on mid laners?

I hear the +% damage affects lane minions too (unconfirmed), and the stats are very cost effective.

I'd be interested in seeing if Void Staff + Spectral Wraith outdamaged Deathcap + Fiendish Codex on champions. If it did it'd be about the same price and you'd get a ton of free MP5 and spell vamp.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 12 2013 22:43 GMT
#3511
On February 13 2013 07:38 cascades wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 07:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
On February 13 2013 07:23 Chrispy wrote:
Hey man, that's not nice. It could have been BIG PLAYS ON SUPPORT.

No, no it couldnt. Sorry bro.


Two_Down also thinks that it couldn't have been SMART PEOPLE. I wonder what he thinks of your intelligence.....

I thought it was gonna be SMART PEOPLE to be fair.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
MagnusWolf
Profile Joined November 2011
United States483 Posts
February 12 2013 22:49 GMT
#3512
Scarra really like spirit of the spectral wraith on anivia. It gives so much CDR for so cheap + all that spellvamp. He was talking about it on stream like a week ago.
http://www.twitch.tv/magnuswolf sometimes I stream, sometimes I don't
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 12 2013 22:52 GMT
#3513
On February 13 2013 07:42 Ketara wrote:
Has anybody considered Spirit of the Spectral Wraiths on mid laners?

I hear the +% damage affects lane minions too (unconfirmed), and the stats are very cost effective.

I'd be interested in seeing if Void Staff + Spectral Wraith outdamaged Deathcap + Fiendish Codex on champions. If it did it'd be about the same price and you'd get a ton of free MP5 and spell vamp.


Well, depending on the mid, deathcap can be worse than Voidstaff anyways. Pen is strong right now.
Freeeeeeedom
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 12 2013 22:54 GMT
#3514
In general I think void staff outdamages deathcap for most champions, but deathcap makes it much easier to waveclear, which is why I'm interested in a void staff + spectral wraith combo since I've HEARD (unconfirmed) that the +20% damage affects lane minions.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 23:00:37
February 12 2013 22:59 GMT
#3515
On February 13 2013 07:54 Ketara wrote:
In general I think void staff outdamages deathcap for most champions, but deathcap makes it much easier to waveclear, which is why I'm interested in a void staff + spectral wraith combo since I've HEARD (unconfirmed) that the +20% damage affects lane minions.

If Machete/Spirit Stone affects lane minions now, it's a bug.

And if it does, it means that pretty much every hero should just buy a Machete for midgame wave clear, and just not upgrade it. Zero reason why you'd upgrade to even Spirit Stone when +10% damage is enough for a Void Staff to wave clear. Essentially equivalent to carries in DotA buying a QB to speed up midgame farm, and then selling it when they need the slot.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 12 2013 23:03 GMT
#3516
That would indeed be a very exploitable bug.

Especially for earlygame laneswaps.
Freeeeeeedom
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 23:44:08
February 12 2013 23:43 GMT
#3517
Saintvicious streaming Curse scrimming against MRN:
http://de.twitch.tv/crs_saintvicious/popout
Voyboy playing Tryndamere

nvm, it's over
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
February 12 2013 23:43 GMT
#3518
after testing it twice with brand and cait, I see no evidence that machete works on lane creeps
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
February 12 2013 23:44 GMT
#3519
Just tested it. Doesn't affect lane minions. My friends are full of shit!
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 12 2013 23:48 GMT
#3520
They probably looked up Butcher in the wiki and got the item passive confused with the mastery.

Or they're just derp.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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