EPT[Patch 3.01: Season 3] General Discussion - Page 170
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Cuddle
Sweden1345 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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ryndaris
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 12 2013 18:42 ryndaris wrote: Guys, I'd like your opinion on Zed. He's on sale until Friday and I'm considering picking him up. That said, I main jungle (followed by mid -> ADC -> Support) and I already own Kha'zix as the "AD assassin" I usually play mid. Does Zed bring anything new to the table compared to Kha that would warrant a purchase? Westrice had like a 70% winrate on Zed. He's definitely viable, he's got insane amount of burst, but I think there is a quite a huge learning curve in his play, from what I've heard, tons of small knowledge things you pick up as you play him. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 12 2013 18:42 ryndaris wrote: Guys, I'd like your opinion on Zed. He's on sale until Friday and I'm considering picking him up. That said, I main jungle (followed by mid -> ADC -> Support) and I already own Kha'zix as the "AD assassin" I usually play mid. Does Zed bring anything new to the table compared to Kha that would warrant a purchase? you can use zed ult somewhat like troll pole/pool to dodge stuff | ||
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On February 12 2013 18:42 ryndaris wrote: Guys, I'd like your opinion on Zed. He's on sale until Friday and I'm considering picking him up. That said, I main jungle (followed by mid -> ADC -> Support) and I already own Kha'zix as the "AD assassin" I usually play mid. Does Zed bring anything new to the table compared to Kha that would warrant a purchase? Zed has been permabanned for about a patch in Korea/China, if you watch what happens in mid lane when someone actually gets Zed it's pretty dumb. The biggest difference is good use of swapping in with W for aggression when it's safe. Without perfect map awareness it's very dangerous but if you can get it off you just wreck mids. | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On February 12 2013 16:34 zulu_nation8 wrote: When your own jungler is nearby and the enemy jungler shows up near mid trying to gank, the normal kneejerk reaction of 99% mids is to back off slightly or react in a way that tells the enemy jungler he is revealed. The standard and correct play would be to bait by playing the same way and hopefully making the enemy laner blow CDs on you so that your jungler can countergank. This is a very simple and self-evident concept to junglers, but seems to elude every mid laner ever in solo queue. What you are saying is like asking for a leap of faith. I've done it, and if your jungler takes too long to counter gank, you can die. It depends on a lot of things: how many escape do you have, what is your level, who is your jungler and who is the opponent jungler, etc. Also Zed top is just awesome. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 12 2013 19:28 Gaslo wrote: What about building Zed tanky? His E cooldown is so short, and combining that with R you will destroy squishies pretty quick even when only having 1-2 offensive items, but after that you could sit in the fight longer with something like BC BT mog RO GA? The most common is E max, then either W or Q max, depending whether or not you prefer utility vs dmg. Usually BT->LW, if you're ahead early on you can go Brutalizer -> BT. Defensive item (warmogs, obviously). Then stack the shit out of BT. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On February 12 2013 16:34 zulu_nation8 wrote: When your own jungler is nearby and the enemy jungler shows up near mid trying to gank, the normal kneejerk reaction of 99% mids is to back off slightly or react in a way that tells the enemy jungler he is revealed. The standard and correct play would be to bait by playing the same way and hopefully making the enemy laner blow CDs on you so that your jungler can countergank. This is a very simple and self-evident concept to junglers, but seems to elude every mid laner ever in solo queue. Surely that is only the case if a 2v2 fight would be favorable(Or favorable for your team) for you and the enemy doesn't have vision of you. Don't really see the point of saying "correct" plays without putting all the conditions associated with them? As a hypothetical. What if the mid player playing in a manor that is safe but also keeps their jungler around for a bit allows yourself to create a more favorable trade in another lane that allows an objective to be secured rather then having a potentially even trade in the mid lane that might not accomplish much else. Do such situations exist? | ||
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On February 12 2013 19:41 Numy wrote: Surely that is only the case if a 2v2 fight would be favorable(Or favorable for your team) for you and the enemy doesn't have vision of you. Don't really see the point of saying "correct" plays without putting all the conditions associated with them? As a hypothetical. What if the mid player playing in a manor that is safe but also keeps their jungler around for a bit allows yourself to create a more favorable trade in another lane that allows an objective to be secured rather then having a potentially even trade in the mid lane that might not accomplish much else. Do such situations exist? I agree it's very situational and depends on how strong everybody involved is. It also depends on how hard you can be bursted by the enemy. Exposing yourself to getting bursted down is dumb if you're dead before your jungler can intervene. Also nearby is a very wide definition. Is he clearing wraith? Is he sitting in a bush waiting to gank? How is the mid supposed to know that the jungler will react to what is happening mid? Not saying that you're wrong, but it is really situational and can be correct under certain circumstance, I wouldn't call it standard. | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3300 Posts
On February 12 2013 19:28 Gaslo wrote: What about building Zed tanky? His E cooldown is so short, and combining that with R you will destroy squishies pretty quick even when only having 1-2 offensive items, but after that you could sit in the fight longer with something like BC BT mog RO GA? I dont see a reason to build tanky when someone has 25% increase bonus ad | ||
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ChaoSbringer
Australia1382 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
On February 12 2013 20:42 misirlou wrote: I dont see a reason to build tanky when someone has 25% increase bonus ad Then you could also say: "I dont see a reason to build ad on graves when his passive increases his defense." If it is true what Gaslo said then building a bit of defense on zed seems to be a good idea sometimes. The real flaw in his statement is that he names 5 items on a build. A real full build has a boots upgrade + 2/3 affordable items and covers everything you need to fullfill your role, while everything else is luxury / super lategame. A champion who mainly farms can probably get 3 major items, like AD carries and AP carries. Assassins/Gankers should have 1-2 major items + 1-2 small ones and options for snowballing kills. Builds that are complete after finishing a 5th major item + boots are impractical and far from reality. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
coreitems> the 2-3 items you usually get everygame | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
On February 12 2013 22:05 WhiteDog wrote: Zed's core should be last whisper, blood fister and blood fister. No need boots or HP, just ult in there, kill a man, and run like hell. How does a man run without boots and two giants swords getting entangeled with his legs? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 12 2013 13:39 Sufficiency wrote: Or don't. Years later you will be cherished like a hero similar to the ones who championed heliocentrism during the 1600s. Y'know at first I thought you were talking about some soloQ hero/streamer named heliocentrism back when 1600 Elo was the peak or something of that kind. On February 12 2013 19:40 wei2coolman wrote: The most common is E max, then either W or Q max, depending whether or not you prefer utility vs dmg. Usually BT->LW, if you're ahead early on you can go Brutalizer -> BT. +35 base damage vs +5% bonus AD, reduced cd and getting closer to self-sustained energy usage? I'd argue that W is overall better for your damage than Q anyway. On February 12 2013 20:42 misirlou wrote: I dont see a reason to build tanky when someone has 25% increase bonus ad Well the fact that you need 20% less AD to deal as much damage as the same champ without the increase would? (bruta optionnal) -> BT -> LW -> warmogs or randuin's -> GA. You can get a MoM if you really need the shield (its passive + your W passive + the lifesteal from BT will kill most mages who think they can burst you down after they trigger the shield). Zed's not an assassin, he's a dps with limited mobility that happens to have a spell allowing him to burst down a squishy in between 2 bruisers. (Really, his dps with E is mindboggling. Way above most bruisers and he can keep it up for like 30s before he even uses W to get energy back.) | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On February 12 2013 22:16 BlueSpace wrote: How does a man run without boots and two giants swords getting entangeled with his legs? by being a ninja | ||
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