• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:02
CEST 17:02
KST 00:02
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event10Serral wins EWC 202543Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9
Community News
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments5[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4
StarCraft 2
General
uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Rogue Talks: "Koreans could dominate again" RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ StarCon Philadelphia ASL Season 20 Ro24 Groups BW General Discussion BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues KCM 2025 Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Gaming After Dark: Poor Slee…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 663 users

[Patch 3.01: Season 3] General Discussion - Page 172

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 170 171 172 173 174 191 Next
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
February 12 2013 16:32 GMT
#3421
On February 13 2013 01:09 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 00:43 Ketara wrote:
On February 13 2013 00:38 TheYango wrote:
On February 13 2013 00:31 Crownlol wrote:
DotA players hate on LoL players

The DotA community would care a lot less about LoL if Pendragon hadn't made a PR disaster out of his exit from DotA.

It's a bit misguided to point the finger at LoL in general and not Pendragon in particular, but I'd say his rather unceremonious departure warrants some scrutiny.


Who is Pendragon?


I think the best way people like to describe the "pentadragon" situation is to imagine Nazgul one day suddenly shutting down Teamliquid losing all the threads, replay, analysis, writeups etc. Pendragon co. ran a site called dota allstars which was basically the teamliquid of Dota and one day shut it down xD and put up a LoL ad.


And in TL's place, Nazgul just put a giant clickable EG logo. Then, over the course of the near future kept taking pot shots in the media about other TL staff for working with other organizations(like IGN or something) to grow the site even further and introduce it to a far broader audience then was ever possible previously.

He is a not liked person.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 17:12:18
February 12 2013 16:46 GMT
#3422
Whoops! Nothing to see here. Move along folks.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 12 2013 16:46 GMT
#3423
i don't think pendragon works for RIOT anymore
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 18:20:06
February 12 2013 16:59 GMT
#3424
Quoted post was removed
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 12 2013 17:10 GMT
#3425
Saw a Reddit thread asking for an official replay system from Riot, expected comments from Shake, was not disappointed.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 17:13:27
February 12 2013 17:11 GMT
#3426
On February 13 2013 01:46 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't think pendragon works for RIOT anymore


Sadly it doesn't really matter anymore. He played a not so small role in getting the hate-League ball rolling, and at this point people just go with it because it has become a back and forth feud. It is absolutely about competition between the games, and Pendragon threw gas on the fire early on.

Edit: I don't think anyone is saying he is solely responsible or anything either though. Games in the same genre will always have some back and forth among their fans(see: CS vs Quake when they were both prime competition games, or PC FPS vs Console FPS in general, etc).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
February 12 2013 17:12 GMT
#3427
On February 13 2013 01:46 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't think pendragon works for RIOT anymore

Are you sure? I thought it was this guy: https://jp.twitter.com/RiotPendragon
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 12 2013 17:28 GMT
#3428
On February 13 2013 02:12 BlueSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 01:46 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't think pendragon works for RIOT anymore

Are you sure? I thought it was this guy: https://jp.twitter.com/RiotPendragon

Yup, that's him.
Moderator
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 17:30:29
February 12 2013 17:29 GMT
#3429
I think it was Guinsoo who tweeted sth that implied that he's not working for riot anymore or at least not directly involved in LoL and people speculated that he switched to the developer team for the new riot games.

holy shit Pendragon has alot of Twitter followers, more than double the followers Oddone has.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 12 2013 17:31 GMT
#3430
On February 13 2013 02:29 AsnSensation wrote:
I think it was Guinsoo who tweeted sth that implied that he's not working for riot anymore or at least not directly involved in LoL and people speculated that he switched to the developer team for the new riot games.

holy shit Pendragon has alot of Twitter followers, more than double the followers Oddone has.

Yeah, it was defiantly Guinsoo. It was after he raged on Twitter about soloq and made an apology.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 12 2013 17:32 GMT
#3431
On February 13 2013 00:57 overt wrote:
A community manager type person for League. He ran a big DotA website, when he got hired by Riot he put a giant ad for League of Legends on the site and then deleted everything. People were rightfully angered by it since it meant tons of guides and everything on the forums was gone for good. It's pretty stupid though to assume that people from DotA hate League purely because of one Rioters actions three years ago. I dunno if anyone could be that petty.

I'm pretty sure most of the DotA community that dislikes League dislikes it for the same reason that the SC2 community dislikes it. It's competition. And since League has been #1 in eSports viewership for over a year the League community has no real reason to hate on either game since there isn't really any competition.

There's also pretty convincing evidence that Riot's gotten several hero designs from the hero design forum that was on Dota-Allstars (don't have the links on hand right now, but I was able to find two hero concepts that pretty clearly became Brand and Nocturne). Obviously within their right to do so as Pendragon was the site owner, but still leaves a bad taste in peoples' mouths.
Moderator
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 12 2013 17:37 GMT
#3432
yeah i'm dumb, it was guinsoo who no longer works at riot
the names are so similar
surely you can see my confusion
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
February 12 2013 17:53 GMT
#3433
Fucking RL, haven't been able to post in forever. Everything's ruined.
Anyway, why can't I access liquidparty.net anymore? It was my front page, makes me kinda sad.
currently rooting for myself.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 18:07:34
February 12 2013 18:00 GMT
#3434
Lol, I'm in Silver I, around 50 League point, I win one, win 25 LG. I'm around 75, I win one, go to 85, win 10 pts. Win one game again, win 7 league points, I'm at 92, then win another, and win 4 league points, I'm now sitting at 96. Damn hard to get back to gold. The curve of League Point win is completly fucked up.

Also Guinsoo is still working for Riot, just not for league of legend apparently.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 18:08:57
February 12 2013 18:08 GMT
#3435
On February 13 2013 03:00 WhiteDog wrote:
Lol, I'm in Silver I, around 50 League point, I win one, win 25 LG. I'm around 75, I win one, go to 85, win 10 pts. Win one game again, win 7 league points, I'm at 92, then win another, and win 4 league points, I'm now sitting at 96. Damn hard to get back to gold. The curve of League Point win is completly fucked up.

Also Guinsoo is still working for Riot, just not for league of legend apparently.


be at 0 league points
win - get 15 lp
lose - again at 0
lose again nothing changes
win - get 26 lp
???
profit
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21691 Posts
February 12 2013 18:08 GMT
#3436
On February 13 2013 03:00 WhiteDog wrote:
Lol, I'm in Silver I, around 50 League point, I win one, win 25 LG. I'm around 75, I win one, go to 85, win 10 pts. Win one game again, win 7 league points, I'm at 92, then win another, and win 4 league points, I'm now sitting at 96. Damn hard to get back to gold. The curve of League Point win is completly fucked up.


This has been posted many times. The requirements to promote out of silver/gold 1 into a higher tier are very severe. But considering you cant get demoted once your there i have to admit i can understand it.
Riot said they would lighten it. not sure if thats already implemented or not.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
TooL
Profile Joined April 2004
Canada275 Posts
February 12 2013 18:09 GMT
#3437
On February 13 2013 03:00 WhiteDog wrote:
Lol, I'm in Silver I, around 50 League point, I win one, win 25 LG. I'm around 75, I win one, go to 85, win 10 pts. Win one game again, win 7 league points, I'm at 92, then win another, and win 4 league points, I'm now sitting at 96. Damn hard to get back to gold. The curve of League Point win is completly fucked up.

Also Guinsoo is still working for Riot, just not for league of legend apparently.


I've won 7 in a row in the 90's... I'm at 98.

elo equalize please.. : D
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-12 18:12:50
February 12 2013 18:11 GMT
#3438
On February 13 2013 03:08 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 03:00 WhiteDog wrote:
Lol, I'm in Silver I, around 50 League point, I win one, win 25 LG. I'm around 75, I win one, go to 85, win 10 pts. Win one game again, win 7 league points, I'm at 92, then win another, and win 4 league points, I'm now sitting at 96. Damn hard to get back to gold. The curve of League Point win is completly fucked up.


This has been posted many times. The requirements to promote out of silver/gold 1 into a higher tier are very severe. But considering you cant get demoted once your there i have to admit i can understand it.
Riot said they would lighten it. not sure if thats already implemented or not.

Yep, I know that. That it has been adressed already does not makes it less funny.

On February 13 2013 03:09 TooL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 03:00 WhiteDog wrote:
Lol, I'm in Silver I, around 50 League point, I win one, win 25 LG. I'm around 75, I win one, go to 85, win 10 pts. Win one game again, win 7 league points, I'm at 92, then win another, and win 4 league points, I'm now sitting at 96. Damn hard to get back to gold. The curve of League Point win is completly fucked up.

Also Guinsoo is still working for Riot, just not for league of legend apparently.


I've won 7 in a row in the 90's... I'm at 98.

elo equalize please.. : D

lol.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
February 12 2013 18:15 GMT
#3439
On February 13 2013 02:32 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 00:57 overt wrote:
A community manager type person for League. He ran a big DotA website, when he got hired by Riot he put a giant ad for League of Legends on the site and then deleted everything. People were rightfully angered by it since it meant tons of guides and everything on the forums was gone for good. It's pretty stupid though to assume that people from DotA hate League purely because of one Rioters actions three years ago. I dunno if anyone could be that petty.

I'm pretty sure most of the DotA community that dislikes League dislikes it for the same reason that the SC2 community dislikes it. It's competition. And since League has been #1 in eSports viewership for over a year the League community has no real reason to hate on either game since there isn't really any competition.

There's also pretty convincing evidence that Riot's gotten several hero designs from the hero design forum that was on Dota-Allstars (don't have the links on hand right now, but I was able to find two hero concepts that pretty clearly became Brand and Nocturne). Obviously within their right to do so as Pendragon was the site owner, but still leaves a bad taste in peoples' mouths.


I always thought Nocturne was kind of a rip-off of Spectre in DotA, pretty similar functions.
I got nothin'...
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13953 Posts
February 12 2013 18:23 GMT
#3440
On February 13 2013 03:15 YouGotNothin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 02:32 TheYango wrote:
On February 13 2013 00:57 overt wrote:
A community manager type person for League. He ran a big DotA website, when he got hired by Riot he put a giant ad for League of Legends on the site and then deleted everything. People were rightfully angered by it since it meant tons of guides and everything on the forums was gone for good. It's pretty stupid though to assume that people from DotA hate League purely because of one Rioters actions three years ago. I dunno if anyone could be that petty.

I'm pretty sure most of the DotA community that dislikes League dislikes it for the same reason that the SC2 community dislikes it. It's competition. And since League has been #1 in eSports viewership for over a year the League community has no real reason to hate on either game since there isn't really any competition.

There's also pretty convincing evidence that Riot's gotten several hero designs from the hero design forum that was on Dota-Allstars (don't have the links on hand right now, but I was able to find two hero concepts that pretty clearly became Brand and Nocturne). Obviously within their right to do so as Pendragon was the site owner, but still leaves a bad taste in peoples' mouths.


I always thought Nocturne was kind of a rip-off of Spectre in DotA, pretty similar functions.

Yeah I've never gotten that either.

I've also heard that timbersaw in dota got released after rumble but that rumble was stolen from the idea of tibersaw.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Prev 1 170 171 172 173 174 191 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
15:00
Group Stage Day 3
SteadfastSC17
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .406
uThermal 257
ProTech24
SteadfastSC 17
trigger 11
ForJumy 4
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 37704
Rain 4796
Shuttle 2894
Flash 2462
Horang2 1729
Larva 1173
ZerO 706
Mini 683
hero 570
Stork 469
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 413
BeSt 348
Soma 289
firebathero 247
Mind 204
Hyuk 204
Zeus 185
Soulkey 168
Last 166
Rush 166
TY 96
JYJ83
sSak 80
Free 54
Aegong 47
PianO 47
soO 40
Sacsri 37
HiyA 24
IntoTheRainbow 13
ivOry 5
Stormgate
TKL 204
Dota 2
Gorgc5881
qojqva3662
XcaliburYe397
League of Legends
XaKoH 166
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King122
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor467
Liquid`Hasu364
Other Games
singsing2033
Beastyqt813
RotterdaM343
Fuzer 170
KnowMe124
QueenE47
ZerO(Twitch)21
Organizations
StarCraft 2
WardiTV189
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2737
• WagamamaTV456
League of Legends
• Nemesis2627
• Jankos1512
Upcoming Events
BSL
3h 58m
Bonyth vs Hawk
Wardi Open
19h 58m
RotterdaM Event
1d
Replay Cast
1d 8h
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 19h
RSL Revival
2 days
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
Online Event
5 days
SC Evo League
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
6 days
SC Evo League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

StarCon 2025 Philadelphia LAN
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.