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On February 02 2013 01:00 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 23:51 Requizen wrote:On February 01 2013 23:39 Crownlol wrote:On February 01 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well in any case it's very uplifting to know that despite TL's general management ignoring us and the general populace's lack of knowledge of us, we are still apparently a central hub for LoL E-Sports and information. It's always bugged me that LoL is a redheaded stepchild on this site, yet looking at the viewership on Twitch it is by FAR the most-watched esport right now. Twitch viewership last night (I watch before bed); SC2 5k, DotA 5k, WoW 11k (wat), LoL 75k. Apparently WoW is really picking up steam with this expansion. Kind of makes me want to play agai-NO REQ NO. BAD REQ. DRUGS ARE BAD. Well, my guild is looking for healers...XD
I was dual specced Ret/Prot. I healed for part of BoT and BWD in early Cata, wasn't crazy about it.
Also stop. I refuse to buy MoP and resub.
*whimper*
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On February 02 2013 01:06 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 01:00 Gahlo wrote:On February 01 2013 23:51 Requizen wrote:On February 01 2013 23:39 Crownlol wrote:On February 01 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well in any case it's very uplifting to know that despite TL's general management ignoring us and the general populace's lack of knowledge of us, we are still apparently a central hub for LoL E-Sports and information. It's always bugged me that LoL is a redheaded stepchild on this site, yet looking at the viewership on Twitch it is by FAR the most-watched esport right now. Twitch viewership last night (I watch before bed); SC2 5k, DotA 5k, WoW 11k (wat), LoL 75k. Apparently WoW is really picking up steam with this expansion. Kind of makes me want to play agai-NO REQ NO. BAD REQ. DRUGS ARE BAD. Well, my guild is looking for healers...XD I was dual specced Ret/Prot. I healed for part of BoT and BWD in early Cata, wasn't crazy about it. Also stop. I refuse to buy MoP and resub. *whimper*
Don't worry, even if it's gotten a bit of resurgance, Ultimately, wow is still wow. No need to resub 
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About the new ranking system, does anyone knows if you lose the division playoffs 2 out 3 where do you go back? at the bottom? Coz if you go at the top than you can play playoffs until you pass through? Additionally, can you fall down from your division when you reach the bottom? do you play playoffs to stay in it?
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On February 02 2013 00:50 mockturtle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 23:06 sob3k wrote:
No, Elo is a composite of hundreds of the effects that a person had on hundreds of matches. Since this can be so variable it is not very good at predicting the future effect of a player on a game. Its like predicting the weather, the more variables you throw in, the harder any set prediction on the outcome if you only know one variable (the player being measured).
I actually don't think elo (or any other rating) system is necessarily at fault here as much as people are for misunderstanding it. First off is the point difference: if your imaginary true skill is 1400, but you are 1300, this is not a catastrophe. It certainly seems like 1400 is a long way from 1300 (it's ONE HUNDRED POINTS!), but those two ratings are not really intended to represent a large gap between players statistically. Secondly is that your "skill" is all the things that are within your control that will increase the chances of the team you are on winning -- this can encompass a shitload of factors that a lot of people wouldn't recognize or would even dismiss as being "skill". For example, being willing to take any role drastically/nearly eliminates the chance you will have someone troll because they were forced into something they didn't want to play -- many people would not consider being a nice guy/pushover skill, or they would argue that not specializing makes it harder for you to develop as a player, but by doing so you your win rate will improve by eliminating an auto-loss which another player in your bracket who wasn't as tolerant as you would have suffered. One of the assumptions of elo is that the results of a match are based on a normal distribution. Amusingly, we know now this is not actually the case with chess and it is almost certainly not the case with league of legends, but by being based on this assumption it makes elo actually pretty good for a broader applications than just chess. You can throw all sorts of random noise at it (a barrage of trolls, leavers, afkers, etc. all of whom should be just as likely to be on the other team as your team) and that's OK, because randomness will fall under a normal distribution . Interestingly while people swear that "omg theres too much variance/what if you have shitty people on your team/can't carry this blah blah" to defend the idea that their elo is lower than it should be, you don't see a lot of people say "yeah, my elo is inflated -- I totally don't deserve this". Beyond that, people commonly rate themselves based on their PEAK elo, a number which is almost certain to be incorrect. Unfortunately riot does not release much information at all about the bowels of their ranked system, because this is something that would be pretty easy to prove if you had access to the database of records. However experientally, all you need is to put someone on an account with a lower elo than they've proven they can maintain and see how difficult it is to move into the range appropriate for them. Even from my own experience, I was pretty solidly ~1250 in S2 and started out S3 with something like 1050 after my placement matches went sour, and the dominance I had on games as a newbie playing with slightly worse newbies was dramatic even in my secondary/tertiary roles and it took relatively little time for me to put the points back on.
Oh, yes I realize this very much. I am just questioning the usefulness of such an averaged composite metric in the situation. There are also all kinds of sort of confounding things in leagues such as switching positions/champs and queuing with friends which can seriously effect a players impact on the game while not actually being directly related to a players "skill". For instance if you queue with 2 friends who you know will not DC or go afk, your elo will benefit from this. This is all pretty irrelevant as long as we lack anything better.
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On February 02 2013 00:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 00:56 Crownlol wrote:On February 02 2013 00:48 Requizen wrote:On February 02 2013 00:45 Crownlol wrote:On February 02 2013 00:17 Djagulingu wrote:On February 02 2013 00:07 BlueSpace wrote:On February 01 2013 23:39 Crownlol wrote:On February 01 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well in any case it's very uplifting to know that despite TL's general management ignoring us and the general populace's lack of knowledge of us, we are still apparently a central hub for LoL E-Sports and information. It's always bugged me that LoL is a redheaded stepchild on this site, yet looking at the viewership on Twitch it is by FAR the most-watched esport right now. Twitch viewership last night (I watch before bed); SC2 5k, DotA 5k, WoW 11k (wat), LoL 75k. I love being a redheaded stepchild, if that means I can discuss in an enviroment with a relative low number of trolls and people that are generally polite to each other. Seriously... why are people so obsessed about increasing the size of this place. I don't care about how many people regularly discuss here, I only care about the quality of the discussion. I'm sure that some people which put so much effort into this sub-forum would like to have a wider recognition and I totally think they deserve it, but selfish-me wants this place to remain small. I don't love being a redheaded stepchild but LoL forums feel like TL before SC2 trolls, so I'll take that . It would be nice if literally all LoL discussion wasn't in a single thread that just gets cleared every few weeks. Subforums broken down by role, for example, would be amazing. I'm not sure there's enough enough active TL LoL members to warrant its own subforum. We have separate role and champion threads, and while they see some flurries of activities, I don't think it is enough to justify entire General and Strategy categories like the SC2 and DotA2 subforums have. The amount of active TL LoLers could be related to the quality of LoL support- I have no evidence for this, but it's possible. For example, I NEVER go to /r/Starcraft, but I often have to use /r/leagueoflegends simply because the LoL support isn't great. Hey now, the quality of the LoL content on TL is pretty damn high... it's just there's only so much coverage we can do as a small staff for an unofficial subforum. We could always use more volunteers!
TL LoL subforum, where all the posters are strong, all the mods are good-looking, and all the newbies are above average.
More seriously, we are still a small, tight-knit community. While the quality of our posting and of our posters is way above the norm, we simply don't have enough people or volume to support a partitioned subforum. When and if we reach that point it's going to be bittersweet, because in many ways it will represent the end of the "golden age" for the subforum, even as it heralds the ascension of LoL itself.
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Ryze is one of my fave characters, especially in Dominion I don't really like the way his power curve goes-- loses a lot of early game matchups b/c of no escape and shitty range, but can become an unkillable AOE pillar of doom after 30 minutes or decent farm.
Like vs. Kassadin. Lvl1 and 2, you're okay. Lvl 3 he picks up Q, and you just get pushed out of lane. Lvl 6 he can pretty much destroy you.
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On February 02 2013 01:08 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 01:06 Requizen wrote:On February 02 2013 01:00 Gahlo wrote:On February 01 2013 23:51 Requizen wrote:On February 01 2013 23:39 Crownlol wrote:On February 01 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well in any case it's very uplifting to know that despite TL's general management ignoring us and the general populace's lack of knowledge of us, we are still apparently a central hub for LoL E-Sports and information. It's always bugged me that LoL is a redheaded stepchild on this site, yet looking at the viewership on Twitch it is by FAR the most-watched esport right now. Twitch viewership last night (I watch before bed); SC2 5k, DotA 5k, WoW 11k (wat), LoL 75k. Apparently WoW is really picking up steam with this expansion. Kind of makes me want to play agai-NO REQ NO. BAD REQ. DRUGS ARE BAD. Well, my guild is looking for healers...XD I was dual specced Ret/Prot. I healed for part of BoT and BWD in early Cata, wasn't crazy about it. Also stop. I refuse to buy MoP and resub. *whimper* Don't worry, even if it's gotten a bit of resurgance, Ultimately, wow is still wow. No need to resub
Nope. NOPE. I'm done with that crack.
As far as aging hipsters go, I remember when the big names on the forum were Caller, Uta, Shakegizmo, Ezpz, WRAWRAWRAWRA, etc....
Something about Phrost dying (I forget the story now) and 5HITCOMBO being locked out of his house in the cold...?
Maybe I have those last two mixed up....
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On February 02 2013 00:20 h3r1n6 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 00:05 Simberto wrote:On February 01 2013 23:53 La1 wrote:On February 01 2013 23:38 Crownlol wrote:On February 01 2013 23:31 Simberto wrote:
What i don't quite understand is how Ryze has not gotten any nerf. Is this just because too many people buy archangels on him and thus don't get to know just how OP he is? I have seen Ryze get 3 kills in a 1v5 situation, where he literally just teleported into the whole enemy team alone. Like, if i were a mid player, i would just play ryze every game. Maybe i should just still do it. He has absolutely no problem with buying armor against ad mids, can probably outtrade them anyways, and just does bonkers damage while being tanky, all of that damage being AE due to his ult, and having lots of spellvamp on top of it. The only thing he does not have is large mobility, so maybe one could deal with him in a pokecomp. But good luck getting that working in soloqueue. Ryze's laning phase is weaker than other top teir champs, and he can be beaten pretty solidly by a wide variety of common mids. Additionally, his midgame is fairly weak too (compare to Diana, Kat, etc) However, do NOT let a Ryze make it to 6 items. He's like the Kog'maw of AP- once he gets fullbuild, you pretty much win the game. It sounds like you let a Ryze get fed, then he pwned you with his ult one time. No need to get butthurt, it happens all the time to us APs when bot feeds and we can't even get a spell off in teamfights without Graves or Corki oneshotting us. exactly this.. I love playing ryze simply because a lot of people play too passive, if ryze has equal farm to you past level 6 your in trouble because you did not shut him down.. he needs to be completely shut down and its mid/junglers fault if that does not happen.. I have had games as ryze where i have gone 13-0-9 just because i've been allowed to crush mid and got fed.. other times i have gone like 2-9-9 because i was camped super hard early game and dispite having wards when you have a jarven with mob boots who is camping you it forces mistakes.. espc because he basically has 0 escapes once somebody is on him.. So, basically, if the enemy has ryze, there is nothing i can do unless i play mid? I am completely dependent on my mid not only not losing lane, but actively shutting him down hard? That is pretty annoying. There isn't even much that shuts down Ryze really. Boots aren't required anymore, so his early weakness isn't nearly as pronounced as in Season 2.
While this may be true, I still shut him down pretty hard as Cass. Even if I get camped a hilarious amount, I can still wreck his face. I imagine Xerath can do the same, but no one plays either of these champions. :>
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On February 02 2013 00:07 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 23:39 Crownlol wrote:On February 01 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well in any case it's very uplifting to know that despite TL's general management ignoring us and the general populace's lack of knowledge of us, we are still apparently a central hub for LoL E-Sports and information. It's always bugged me that LoL is a redheaded stepchild on this site, yet looking at the viewership on Twitch it is by FAR the most-watched esport right now. Twitch viewership last night (I watch before bed); SC2 5k, DotA 5k, WoW 11k (wat), LoL 75k. I love being a redheaded stepchild, if that means I can discuss in an enviroment with a relative low number of trolls and people that are generally polite to each other. Seriously... why are people so obsessed about increasing the size of this place. I don't care about how many people regularly discuss here, I only care about the quality of the discussion. I'm sure that some people which put so much effort into this sub-forum would like to have a wider recognition and I totally think they deserve it, but selfish-me wants this place to remain small.
Well TL mods are always going to keep this place's discussion high-quality, and so it's safe to assume that even with more people this place will remain relatively the same in terms of quality discussion.
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Damn good thing you cant go negative in league points 0 wins 3 losses so far today. so shitty teams.
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On February 02 2013 01:16 Abenson wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 00:07 BlueSpace wrote:On February 01 2013 23:39 Crownlol wrote:On February 01 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well in any case it's very uplifting to know that despite TL's general management ignoring us and the general populace's lack of knowledge of us, we are still apparently a central hub for LoL E-Sports and information. It's always bugged me that LoL is a redheaded stepchild on this site, yet looking at the viewership on Twitch it is by FAR the most-watched esport right now. Twitch viewership last night (I watch before bed); SC2 5k, DotA 5k, WoW 11k (wat), LoL 75k. I love being a redheaded stepchild, if that means I can discuss in an enviroment with a relative low number of trolls and people that are generally polite to each other. Seriously... why are people so obsessed about increasing the size of this place. I don't care about how many people regularly discuss here, I only care about the quality of the discussion. I'm sure that some people which put so much effort into this sub-forum would like to have a wider recognition and I totally think they deserve it, but selfish-me wants this place to remain small. Well TL mods are always going to keep this place's discussion high-quality, and so it's safe to assume that even with more people this place will remain relatively the same in terms of quality discussion.
SC2 and DotA 2 subforums suggest otherwise.
Not all shitposting is banworthy.
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On February 02 2013 01:11 M2 wrote:
About the new ranking system, does anyone knows if you lose the division playoffs 2 out 3 where do you go back? at the bottom? Coz if you go at the top than you can play playoffs until you pass through? Additionally, can you fall down from your division when you reach the bottom? do you play playoffs to stay in it?
No idea what happends when you fail your playoff matches But as for dropping down. thats actualy not possible. Once your in a division you cannot drop lower, However your MMR will keep dropping if you lose so you will still play against worse and worse players.
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On February 02 2013 01:16 AsnSensation wrote:
Damn good thing you cant go negative in league points 0 wins 3 losses so far today. so shitty teams.
Ugh, I know. Solo Q is just... man. I had a 7 game streak of either duoqueue bot trolls (SHYVANA/AP TRIST BOT LANE) or at least one AFK. I went 17/4/16 as Swain and STILL lost because of that crap.
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On February 02 2013 01:17 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 01:11 M2 wrote:
About the new ranking system, does anyone knows if you lose the division playoffs 2 out 3 where do you go back? at the bottom? Coz if you go at the top than you can play playoffs until you pass through? Additionally, can you fall down from your division when you reach the bottom? do you play playoffs to stay in it? No idea what happends when you fail your playoff matches But as for dropping down. thats actualy not possible. Once your in a division you cannot drop lower, However your MMR will keep dropping if you lose so you will still play against worse and worse players.
You can be demoted out of a Division, not a tier.
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On February 02 2013 01:06 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 01:00 Gahlo wrote:On February 01 2013 23:51 Requizen wrote:On February 01 2013 23:39 Crownlol wrote:On February 01 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well in any case it's very uplifting to know that despite TL's general management ignoring us and the general populace's lack of knowledge of us, we are still apparently a central hub for LoL E-Sports and information. It's always bugged me that LoL is a redheaded stepchild on this site, yet looking at the viewership on Twitch it is by FAR the most-watched esport right now. Twitch viewership last night (I watch before bed); SC2 5k, DotA 5k, WoW 11k (wat), LoL 75k. Apparently WoW is really picking up steam with this expansion. Kind of makes me want to play agai-NO REQ NO. BAD REQ. DRUGS ARE BAD. Well, my guild is looking for healers...XD I was dual specced Ret/Prot. I healed for part of BoT and BWD in early Cata, wasn't crazy about it. Also stop. I refuse to buy MoP and resub. *whimper*
WoW lost its steam for me after they killed all my favorite bosses..
i.e Nef Cho'Gall and Rag.
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Na still down  .
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United States23745 Posts
In regards to the size of TL LoL, if you haven't read it yet, I highly recommend MoonBear's 2012 Musings. It does a good job of presenting all sides of the argument. Even though our community is small, our recaps have done decent on Reddit and gained the attention of Riot. If we continue to produce quality content I expect our community to grow, maybe not by a lot but some.
Also I doubt the GD thread itself is going to be going away anytime soon but as hinted at before, some changes should be going into effect soon(tm?).
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On February 02 2013 00:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 00:56 Crownlol wrote:On February 02 2013 00:48 Requizen wrote:On February 02 2013 00:45 Crownlol wrote:On February 02 2013 00:17 Djagulingu wrote:On February 02 2013 00:07 BlueSpace wrote:On February 01 2013 23:39 Crownlol wrote:On February 01 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well in any case it's very uplifting to know that despite TL's general management ignoring us and the general populace's lack of knowledge of us, we are still apparently a central hub for LoL E-Sports and information. It's always bugged me that LoL is a redheaded stepchild on this site, yet looking at the viewership on Twitch it is by FAR the most-watched esport right now. Twitch viewership last night (I watch before bed); SC2 5k, DotA 5k, WoW 11k (wat), LoL 75k. I love being a redheaded stepchild, if that means I can discuss in an enviroment with a relative low number of trolls and people that are generally polite to each other. Seriously... why are people so obsessed about increasing the size of this place. I don't care about how many people regularly discuss here, I only care about the quality of the discussion. I'm sure that some people which put so much effort into this sub-forum would like to have a wider recognition and I totally think they deserve it, but selfish-me wants this place to remain small. I don't love being a redheaded stepchild but LoL forums feel like TL before SC2 trolls, so I'll take that . It would be nice if literally all LoL discussion wasn't in a single thread that just gets cleared every few weeks. Subforums broken down by role, for example, would be amazing. I'm not sure there's enough enough active TL LoL members to warrant its own subforum. We have separate role and champion threads, and while they see some flurries of activities, I don't think it is enough to justify entire General and Strategy categories like the SC2 and DotA2 subforums have. The amount of active TL LoLers could be related to the quality of LoL support- I have no evidence for this, but it's possible. For example, I NEVER go to /r/Starcraft, but I often have to use /r/leagueoflegends simply because the LoL support isn't great. Hey now, the quality of the LoL content on TL is pretty damn high... it's just there's only so much coverage we can do as a small staff for an unofficial subforum. We could always use more volunteers!
I volunteer to do things that dont require me to write in a pretty manner. I can analyze things I guess. Also anything else that doesn't require pretty writing. The thing is though, it's just so intimidating to do things by yourself, so I just wait for someone to ask me to do something. l0l0l0l0l
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On February 02 2013 01:22 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 01:06 Requizen wrote:On February 02 2013 01:00 Gahlo wrote:On February 01 2013 23:51 Requizen wrote:On February 01 2013 23:39 Crownlol wrote:On February 01 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well in any case it's very uplifting to know that despite TL's general management ignoring us and the general populace's lack of knowledge of us, we are still apparently a central hub for LoL E-Sports and information. It's always bugged me that LoL is a redheaded stepchild on this site, yet looking at the viewership on Twitch it is by FAR the most-watched esport right now. Twitch viewership last night (I watch before bed); SC2 5k, DotA 5k, WoW 11k (wat), LoL 75k. Apparently WoW is really picking up steam with this expansion. Kind of makes me want to play agai-NO REQ NO. BAD REQ. DRUGS ARE BAD. Well, my guild is looking for healers...XD I was dual specced Ret/Prot. I healed for part of BoT and BWD in early Cata, wasn't crazy about it. Also stop. I refuse to buy MoP and resub. *whimper* WoW lost its steam for me after they killed all my favorite bosses.. i.e Nef Cho'Gall and Rag.
Nothing will compare to Vanilla WoW for me. Being a super weird kid in high school, it was amazing to retreat into this crazy world that I knew nothing about. Finding people around the world, jumping into vent before logging in, knowing I'd have people to talk to/hang out with.
I made the poor decision of leveling a priest from 1-60 as holy spec. Good lord was it slow going, but I loved healing.
40 man raids were amazing. Staying up til 3 or 4 am, knowing I'd be fucked for school in the morning but not caring. Getting yelled at by my parents for still being awake. My guild never progressed very far in content, but good lord I loved hanging out with those guys.
The only thing I really liked after vanilla was Kharazan, and that was just because it was such a clever dungeon.
I certainly miss that feeling of discovery and novelty, but I know I can never go back. I tried Cataclysm for a little bit and hated it. They torched the whole server community feel and tight-knit play that I loved back in the day.
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On February 02 2013 01:26 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 00:59 AsmodeusXI wrote:On February 02 2013 00:56 Crownlol wrote:On February 02 2013 00:48 Requizen wrote:On February 02 2013 00:45 Crownlol wrote:On February 02 2013 00:17 Djagulingu wrote:On February 02 2013 00:07 BlueSpace wrote:On February 01 2013 23:39 Crownlol wrote:On February 01 2013 23:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well in any case it's very uplifting to know that despite TL's general management ignoring us and the general populace's lack of knowledge of us, we are still apparently a central hub for LoL E-Sports and information. It's always bugged me that LoL is a redheaded stepchild on this site, yet looking at the viewership on Twitch it is by FAR the most-watched esport right now. Twitch viewership last night (I watch before bed); SC2 5k, DotA 5k, WoW 11k (wat), LoL 75k. I love being a redheaded stepchild, if that means I can discuss in an enviroment with a relative low number of trolls and people that are generally polite to each other. Seriously... why are people so obsessed about increasing the size of this place. I don't care about how many people regularly discuss here, I only care about the quality of the discussion. I'm sure that some people which put so much effort into this sub-forum would like to have a wider recognition and I totally think they deserve it, but selfish-me wants this place to remain small. I don't love being a redheaded stepchild but LoL forums feel like TL before SC2 trolls, so I'll take that . It would be nice if literally all LoL discussion wasn't in a single thread that just gets cleared every few weeks. Subforums broken down by role, for example, would be amazing. I'm not sure there's enough enough active TL LoL members to warrant its own subforum. We have separate role and champion threads, and while they see some flurries of activities, I don't think it is enough to justify entire General and Strategy categories like the SC2 and DotA2 subforums have. The amount of active TL LoLers could be related to the quality of LoL support- I have no evidence for this, but it's possible. For example, I NEVER go to /r/Starcraft, but I often have to use /r/leagueoflegends simply because the LoL support isn't great. Hey now, the quality of the LoL content on TL is pretty damn high... it's just there's only so much coverage we can do as a small staff for an unofficial subforum. We could always use more volunteers! I volunteer to do things that dont require me to write in a pretty manner. I can analyze things I guess. Also anything else that doesn't require pretty writing.
I think some of people trying to volunteer/help may get lost in GD, so here's what I'll say about it.
If you think that you have something valuable you can and want to give to the TL LoL subforum, PM Neo saying that you're willing and able to help. I can't guarantee that you'll be taken on or that you'll have the skills the staff needs atm, but we DO like having more people. It IS work, but I just did what I described and now I'm doing... stuff... for this subforum. And it's fun and it's helpful.
It's also possible that Neo or MB will contradict me on this, in which case SRY.
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