EPTOn February 10 2013 23:42 Sermokala wrote:
Jarvan welps the shit outa him in lane though.
Jarvan welps the shit outa him in lane though.
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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Wetty
Australia419 Posts
On February 10 2013 23:11 Zdrastochye wrote: No, the one damage item Garen needs is LW. Get tanky first. If we're talking ideal builds, that is. Wouldn't black cleaver be like... Way better? For several reasons - it's probably better damage against the targets that matter most (ADC/AP mid) who don't have a lot of armour, as well as having one of them on the team is fantastic for your AD's dmg late game so they can have the stacks + their own LW... and Garen is a pretty good candidate for applying those stacks, because his spin will incidently hit those targets even if you're trying to get someone else as the primary, or you can hit multiple close together bruisers with the express purpose of applying those stacks. Just seems like a way better item for Garen... Especially given that it builds out of a brut, which you can get early and hold onto until you want that one dmg item finished. Early brut + doran's helps Garen snowball a lane pretty hard and his dmg with just those is ridiculous, which facilitates going tanky well. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
the only reason to ever get BC is to focus tanks down lategame with your ad brutalizer is still good though LW is 40% all the time, BC is an average of like 10% or so for garen. Trash. A large percentage of garens burst is his R and ignite anyway, you don't need to worry about building AD too much. You won't be hitting tanks when you'r diving squishies, those lines are far enough apart. If you want to focus tanks in teamfights you can get BC but untl your ADs damage is far higher than yours (LATEGAME) LW will still probably outdamage your original Q and E and then you'll get him lower faster to ult him ASAP instead of waiting another 9 seconds for your next E. | ||
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
On February 11 2013 00:30 Slayer91 wrote: BC has 5 stacks and garens only physical burst is his Q and E which is 7 total hits. That means you get 2 ticks of spin that benefit from the full 25% armour reduction and then unless you're training targets with just your auto hits in teamfights (lol) BC stacks will run out before your CDs are up the only reason to ever get BC is to focus tanks down lategame with your ad brutalizer is still good though LW is 40% all the time, BC is an average of like 10% or so for garen. Trash. A large percentage of garens burst is his R and ignite anyway, you don't need to worry about building AD too much. You won't be hitting tanks when you'r diving squishies, those lines are far enough apart. If you want to focus tanks in teamfights you can get BC but untl your ADs damage is far higher than yours (LATEGAME) LW will still probably outdamage your original Q and E and then you'll get him lower faster to ult him ASAP instead of waiting another 9 seconds for your next E. Let me know how much your LW helps your AD carry/jungle in teamfights. BC spin to win is a guaranteed aoe armor shred on basically everyone on the enemy team, which boosts your teams teamfight damage way more than a LW could ever dream of. also your ult does magic damage and gives zero shits about armor pen. You're waiting for your team to burst people low enough to DEMACIA! If your ADCarry autos anyone even once after you've thrown around 2-5 stacks on everyone, you're #winning | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
if you want to focus tanks with your spells as I said you help your AD carry out with BC but LW helps you even more anyway and you're also assuming your jungle is an AD based guy who's also attacking the same tanks why dont you just play wukong or pantheon if you want to play stack BC on tanks | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On February 11 2013 00:38 ItsFunToLose wrote: Let me know how much your LW helps your AD carry/jungle in teamfights. BC spin to win is a guaranteed aoe armor shred on basically everyone on the enemy team, which boosts your teams teamfight damage way more than a LW could ever dream of. also your ult does magic damage and gives zero shits about armor pen. You're waiting for your team to burst people low enough to DEMACIA! If your ADCarry autos anyone even once after you've thrown around 2-5 stacks on everyone, you're #winning Let me know how Garen works when you've actually played him. There's a difference between pure theorycraft and going in game and trying it. Try BC Garen and focus tanks, then try LW Garen and focus whoever the fuck you want. I promise LW is better. Not like you're spinning on 5 of them all the time. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13736 Posts
Q poke keeps his passive out of comission and once jarvan hits his combo he just auto attacks garen with an armor debuff that scales better with garens resist passive and can peel him a ton and with nearly no effort late game with a passive that's going to wreck the warmog stacking garens. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On February 10 2013 22:03 Slayer91 wrote: being unkillable is pretty hard work i suppose u fags need to stop with the cleavers and get your randuins and thornmail and shit Had a Garen do that against me in a game yesterday, he was indeed unkillable and carried the shit out of his team. | ||
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IceteaGuy
Germany95 Posts
Mid and late game are different stories, as both possess good diving potential mid game, but turn into different roles late. Jarvan is a pretty decent peeler whereas Garen is just an annoying damage soaker. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On February 11 2013 01:33 Sermokala wrote: Q poke keeps his passive out of comission and once jarvan hits his combo he just auto attacks garen with an armor debuff that scales better with garens resist passive and can peel him a ton and with nearly no effort late game with a passive that's going to wreck the warmog stacking garens. q poke is hard as shit to hit if he's trying to dodge it and he can just chug a few pots and farm at tower no way jarvans got the burst to really beat a garen in lane but if you play well you can probably get the lead, but you prolly run oom too fast. Garen can regen in a brush if he needs to anyways if you wanna farm against garen any hero can do that because garens e sucks pretty hard now until level 9 | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Next it's gonna be Karma so OP and strong at utility since her shield does AoE damage and is up all the time and she heals her whole team when they get harassed down. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
If a champion doesnt feel batshit insane op when you're playing it and you're doing well its time to play something else | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On February 11 2013 02:07 obesechicken13 wrote: God you guys make everything sound OP. Next it's gonna be Karma so OP and strong at utility since her shield does AoE damage and is up all the time and she heals her whole team when they get harassed down. It's amazing what happens when you open up your mind to new ideas. You'll be surprised a lot. Keep your head down and ignoring everything, and you'll be surprised by shit that works. It's ok, some of us can try shit out and find it strong while others have to wait for a pro to do it. As long as you're having fun, that's all that matters. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On February 11 2013 02:07 obesechicken13 wrote: God you guys make everything sound OP. Next it's gonna be Karma so OP and strong at utility since her shield does AoE damage and is up all the time and she heals her whole team when they get harassed down. AND 1000 range slow/speed bost. Karma is broken OP for SURE. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13736 Posts
On February 11 2013 01:56 Slayer91 wrote: q poke is hard as shit to hit if he's trying to dodge it and he can just chug a few pots and farm at tower no way jarvans got the burst to really beat a garen in lane but if you play well you can probably get the lead, but you prolly run oom too fast. Garen can regen in a brush if he needs to anyways if you wanna farm against garen any hero can do that because garens e sucks pretty hard now until level 9 Q poke is easy as shit to hit have you ever played jarvan? If he hides in the bush you can just q the bush and abuse the massive hitbox on it. You can't just hide somewhere when someone knows that you are hiding there. Q pokeing is crazy cheap on mana ad garen has no ranged response that isn't a hevily telegraphed charge that doesn't last very long if you are e maxing. Just wait for garen to get low and then combo onto him and kill him. Garen powercurves harder then him a lot after 6 until you get into teamfights. I've played this lane a few times and this is how it works out for me at least. The reason why bc garen is better then lw garen is beacuse it means that garen is getting a bruta in lane and relying on that for his damage while he builds tank. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Are you serious? you think I just say a spell is easy to dodge when I don't know how it works? Jarvans Q is long and thin, if you're in the line of fire you just have dodge to the side if you expect it. You won't dodge all of them but if you dodge 50% of them and have a few potions you should be fine. I'm not saying garen beats jarvan, but he can just start cloth +5 and pay attention and he'll be just about fine. Jarvans Q will hit creeps so theres no easy way to freeze the lane even if you can kill him if he stays in the middle. The reason why bc garen is better then lw garen is beacuse it means that garen is getting a bruta in lane and relying on that for his damage while he builds tank. Have you been reading this thread at all? I said you get brutalizer, but you don't finish BC until maybe last item or something, you pick up LW after a tank item or two if they are getting too tanky because it drastically improves your damage output greater than any other item. Often you skip brutalizer but it's a bad buy against anyone buying a lot of armour in lane sunfire is a much better option. Against something like jarvan you'd go sunfire, for example. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
I have never played as Malz, but playing against him was always a bitch. So what is the reason you don't see him in competitive play? Does he show up often in soloq? | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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